Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Newjak
To be fair he didn't actually build a city from scratch just spruced what looked like part of one that was already there 😛

As to the scan itself if Thor blocking Surfer's blurred attack is ambiguis because no numbers are given then so is Superman's city building feat. Basically he just did that while the Bizarro Zombies watched. How long dd that really take seconds, minutes, hours no time was given so I'm going to say it took him hours. 😛

You have a point. But Superman has done many many complex tasks
in mere seconds before. Whether we can substitute those tasks in the form of punches or multiple teleportion-like zips (quick instant travel) is up for debate. What do you think?

Personally I think Superman is so fast that he can seemingly make multiples of himself all around you. You would not only have to turn around fast as hell but you would have to turn in every position that Superman is at. But from all the many years of reading Thor I'm fairly positive that he's not fast enough to do that. Reflexes is one thing but both Speed and Reflexes is another. You would need both Reflexes and Speed for Superman.

I will give Thor the benefit of the doubt and give Superman the slight majority here.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have a point. But Superman has done many many complex tasks
in mere seconds before. Whether we can substitute those tasks in the form of punches or multiple teleportion-like zips (quick instant travel) is up for debate. What do you think?

Personally I think Superman is so fast that he can literally make multiples of himself all around you. You would not only have to turn around fast as hell but you would have to turn in every position that Superman is at. But from all the many years of reading Thor I'm fairly positive that he's not fast enough to do that. Reflexes is one thing but both Speed and Reflexes is another. You would need both Reflexes and Speed for Superman.

I will give Thor the benefit of the doubt and give Superman the slight majority here.

You aren't talking about Odinforce, are you?

Originally posted by Mindset
You aren't talking about Odinforce, are you?

I'm not following you.

Originally posted by h1a8
What do you think?

Originally posted by Larceny
You did.

"There hasn't been enough time to see if he kept some of those crazy old powers."

And it's true. No if, and's, or buts about it.

Originally posted by Larceny
Nothing, but you made a statement about him receiving an upgrade.

Which I did. He's at least what seems completely bulletproof now.

Originally posted by Larceny
Avlon, the more you pot the more obvious it becomes that you really have no knowledge on Thor. Your assessment may have been correct if we were to ignore the last 5 or 6 years of Thor's history.

The more you post, the more obvious your Thor bias is. Since when is Superman a non-factor when he's serious? The guy has done well against ALL levels of power.

Originally posted by Larceny
Assumption? That's exactly what the comic depicted.

So you can show us more than a panel of Thor hitting a leg? Get that crap out of here...and Supes still beat Thor in that crossover...so now both can pwn Doomsday in 1 shot by your example then. Right?

Originally posted by Larceny
Luckily this isn't a race or Extreme Makeover Home edition.

Too bad it's not, "let's pretend the slow statuesque guy has a chance" either.

Back in one of his earliest comics he appeared to be hit by a bullet and nothing happened.

Does that count?

Originally posted by Ricardo Potter
Back in one of his earliest comics he appeared to be hit by a bullet and nothing happened.

Does that count?

I wouldn't worry about it anymore since his rebirth he took an impressive round of gunfire without problems without really doing anything.

So far it's "Nuh uh!" and excuses on the Thor end. There's enough proof with anyone who can process logic acceptably to come up with a conclusion now AND no real new material outside of semantics in circles so I'm done.

Anyway it's time to stick a fork in this thread:

It's done.

Originally posted by Newjak
Basically he just did that while the Bizarro Zombies watched. How long dd that really take seconds, minutes, hours no time was given so I'm going to say it took him hours. 😛

I've read many convincing posts that could give Superman a few victories over Odinforce Thor, but even those are slim. Thor is toating eldritch magics these days, which could stop Superman in his tracks sending him into oblivion for eternity. Superman was barely able to defeat Thor on his classic levels... there is no way that he's beating him with the combined might of Odin, his two brothers and, his own power. Speed really wouldn't matter when Thor could trap him like a fly in amber.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I've read many convincing posts that could give Superman a few victories over Odinforce Thor, but even those are slim. Thor is toating eldritch magics these days, which could stop Superman in his tracks sending him into oblivion for eternity. Superman was barely able to defeat Thor on his classic levels... there is no way that he's beating him with the combined might of Odin, his two brothers and, his own power. Speed really wouldn't matter when Thor could trap him like a fly in amber.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
1-Superman had huge upgrades since then, as did Thor
2-Superman KO ed Thor with one punch
3-Superman gained a huge upgrade against MAGIC.

You want to compare supermans upgrades to thor getting the odinforce? Franly superman has basically the same set of powers( aside some things like T-VO) just on a higher lvl. That cannot eva be compared to the odinforce.

And please so that we can at least have a sensible argument stop bringing up that stupid crossover. The reason we evn have forums like this is to debate the viability of comic events in relation to the characters powersets. This whole superman koed thor in one punch thing is just nonsense and it becomes evn more nonsensical when u consider that this is odinforce thor.

Superman may have been upgraded against magic but he is still weaker against it than he is against other attacks. The upgrade superman received against magic is nothing in comparison to the upgrade thors magic received with his acquisition of the odinforce, so he would still be in big trouble.

What upgrades for Superman are you talking about?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
You want to compare supermans upgrades to thor getting the odinforce? Franly superman has basically the same set of powers( aside some things like T-VO) just on a higher lvl. That cannot eva be compared to the odinforce.

And please so that we can at least have a sensible argument stop bringing up that stupid crossover. The reason we evn have forums like this is to debate the viability of comic events in relation to the characters powersets. This whole superman koed thor in one punch thing is just nonsense and it becomes evn more nonsensical when u consider that this is odinforce thor.

Superman may have been upgraded against magic but he is still weaker against it than he is against other attacks. The upgrade superman received against magic is nothing in comparison to the upgrade thors magic received with his acquisition of the odinforce, so he would still be in big trouble.

Superman's upgrade is awesome. Everytime he fight enemies that are magic he uses his speed very good. I am not saying that Odin force wont have any effect on Superman. I KNOW it will. BUT Superman Travel Speed, and Combat Speed is just much higher then Thor's. Which is why I believe he can't beat Superman. Add this with his higher magic resistance and its hard to beat him.

I hate when people see SUperman they automaticly think Magic Beat him. He dealt with magic users, and he has beaten Magic users.

Yes Thor's can increase other people's strenght, and speed, but I haven't seen him increase his own. I havent seen at what level he can increase them by.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman power was always about strenght, speed, and invulnerability. In his pre-crisis time he used to be a God just because of his strenght, speed, and durability. So when you say things like its the same power, then you are wrong.

Superman's upgrade is awesome. Everytime he fight enemies that are magic he uses his speed very good. I am not saying that Odin force wont have any effect on Superman. I KNOW it will. BUT Superman Travel Speed, and Combat Speed is just much higher then Thor's. Which is why I believe he can't beat Superman. Add this with his higher magic resistance and its hard to beat him.

I hate when people see SUperman they automaticly think Magic Beat him. He dealt with magic users, and he has beaten Magic users.

Yes Thor's can increase other people's strenght, and speed, but I haven't seen him increase his own. I havent seen at what level he can increase them by.

Do you think Superman could beat Mephisto?

Originally posted by Mindset
Do you think Superman could beat Mephisto?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman power was always about strenght, speed, and invulnerability. In his pre-crisis time he used to be a God just because of his strenght, speed, and durability. So when you say things like its the same power, then you are wrong.

Superman's upgrade is awesome. Everytime he fight enemies that are magic he uses his speed very good. I am not saying that Odin force wont have any effect on Superman. I KNOW it will. BUT Superman Travel Speed, and Combat Speed is just much higher then Thor's. Which is why I believe he can't beat Superman. Add this with his higher magic resistance and its hard to beat him.

I hate when people see SUperman they automaticly think Magic Beat him. He dealt with magic users, and he has beaten Magic users.

Yes Thor's can increase other people's strenght, and speed, but I haven't seen him increase his own. I havent seen at what level he can increase them by.

When Thor recently defeated the Destroyer his strength was far higher than it ever was in previous years. The fact that his eldritch magic could trap Superman long enough for the bfr should be enough to convince anyone that he would win. If you add to his ability to become a 1000ft giant capable of combatting the likes of Surtur seals the Kryptonians fate. The Destroyers disintegration ray is far more powerful than any energy attack that Superman could muster. Thor today is above Superman on levels that go beyond the imagination. This is a fight between a Skyfather and a high end Herald, there is really no comparing the two. Current Thor would win.

Originally posted by Mindset
Do you think Superman could beat Mephisto?

With that pitiful basis of an argument, Superman could beat Mephisto, Thanos, Odin, Rune King Thor, classic Molecule Man and classic Beyonder before any of them could do anything.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Avlon and his kin have basically argued that Superman can beat anybody if they haven't displayed an ability to speedblitz at ftl speeds themselves. That is the standard they are compelled to believe in. Despite classic Thor's ability to deal with light speed attacks with his reflexes over and over and over again. Despite the fact that they still haven't shown Superman actually blitzing at FTL speeds on-panel. Apparently, if a character cannot FTL speedblitz himself, he loses to a fictional FTL speedblitz from Superman. That's the argument anyway. And it fails on many levels.

With that pitiful basis of an argument, Superman could beat Mephisto, Thanos, Odin, Rune King Thor, classic Molecule Man and classic Beyonder before any of them could do anything.

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Originally posted by xJLxKing
I have told you that he uses this "Speedbliz" on Imperiax. Fact it that you don't accept it

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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I've read many convincing posts that could give Superman a few victories over Odinforce Thor, but even those are slim. Thor is toating eldritch magics these days, which could stop Superman in his tracks sending him into oblivion for eternity. Superman was barely able to defeat Thor on his classic levels... there is no way that he's beating him with the combined might of Odin, his two brothers and, his own power. Speed really wouldn't matter when Thor could trap him like a fly in amber.

Superman vs. Thor is non-canon
Also fights in comics most likely won't happen if the two characters were actually real. That is why this is a forum fight and not a comic one. And in a forum fight a character can use his speed every step of the way.

And your logic fails. You can have the power of TOAA but if you are both slow and are able to die or be koed then you would lose to someone who can operate faster than you can.

How can a statue even have a chance against anyone?
Hell, bullets and lightning are statues to Superman.
I don't care if that statue has the power to destroy a multiverse. You will lose everytime.