Originally posted by Avlon
And it's true. No if, and's, or buts about it.Which I did. He's at least what seems completely bulletproof now.
The more you post, the more obvious your Thor bias is. Since when is Superman a non-factor when he's serious? The guy has done well against ALL levels of power.
So you can show us more than a panel of Thor hitting a leg? Get that crap out of here...and Supes still beat Thor in that crossover...so now both can pwn Doomsday in 1 shot by your example then. Right?
Too bad it's not, "let's pretend the slow statuesque guy has a chance" either.
So the fact that he's retained Mjolnir, the sole purpose for all his feats means what?
He's been bulletproof. Read up.
As has Thor. Doesn't change the fact that when facing Galactus in a forum battle he gets smashed. Same with Superman. This isn't DC comics and he isn't defeating a skyfather level character.
No, I can show you Thor smashing DD and DD disappearing from the comic.
We aren't. We're simple claiming the vastly more powerful guy wins.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
When Thor recently defeated the Destroyer his strength was far higher than it ever was in previous years. The fact that his eldritch magic could trap Superman long enough for the bfr should be enough to convince anyone that he would win. If you add to his ability to become a 1000ft giant capable of combatting the likes of Surtur seals the Kryptonians fate. The Destroyers disintegration ray is far more powerful than any energy attack that Superman could muster. Thor today is above Superman on levels that go beyond the imagination. This is a fight between a Skyfather and a high end Herald, there is really no comparing the two. Current Thor would win.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Avlon and his kin have basically argued that Superman can beat anybody if they haven't displayed an ability to speedblitz at ftl speeds themselves. That is the standard they are compelled to believe in. Despite classic Thor's ability to deal with light speed attacks with his reflexes over and over and over again. Despite the fact that they still haven't shown Superman actually blitzing at FTL speeds on-panel. Apparently, if a character cannot FTL speedblitz himself, he loses to a fictional FTL speedblitz from Superman. That's the argument anyway. And it fails on many levels.With that pitiful basis of an argument, Superman could beat Mephisto, Thanos, Odin, Rune King Thor, classic Molecule Man and classic Beyonder before any of them could do anything.
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Reflexes mean nothing without speed. You can be a frozen statue watching a bullet in slow motion. If Superman zips behind Thor (seemingly instantaneously) and Thor turns around at the same that Superman is zipping around then that means that Thor is just as fast as Superman. But we all know that isn't true. Thus Thor would be unable to turn around before Superman lands the first blow.
Then after the first stunning blow comes another then another until Thor is koed. This is common sense.
Originally posted by h1a8I agree 100% with this at least. h1a8, you are entitled to your opinion. But I personal believe your idea of speed is very narrow. When Thor regularly reacts to and has deflected light speed attacks by moving his arms at FTL speeds, or spun Mjolnir itself at FTL speeds and regularly propels himself along at FTL speeds, I don't see why you have such a hard time believing Thor could deal with a speedblitz.
Crossovers aren't canon.
Concurrent with this, nobody has even shown Superman speedblitzing at FTL speeds. We've seen his FTL travel speeds, but everyone and their grandma understands that travel speed does not equate to battle speed. Especially you Superman fans. Otherwise you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in Silver Surfer or Thor vs. debates. The scans that have been posted and referenced do not show any speedblitz at FTL speeds. I would even trust Superman's own words or thoughts. If he said, "I am maneuvering and hitting him at FTL speeds." I would accept this. And the constant arguments would have more substance. But nothing.
Nonetheless, because I know that you and many others continually believe this to be true absent any actual on-panel evidence, I don't see why you all have such a hard time accepting that the best defense against light speed or FTL speed attacks would be FTL battle reflexes. And classic Thor has demonstrated this on-panel.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree 100% with this at least. h1a8, you are entitled to your opinion. But I personal believe your idea of speed is very narrow. When Thor regularly reacts to and has deflected light speed attacks by moving his arms at FTL speeds, or spun Mjolnir itself at FTL speeds and regularly propels himself along at FTL speeds, I don't see why you have such a hard time believing Thor could deal with a speedblitz.Concurrent with this, nobody has even shown Superman speedblitzing at FTL speeds. We've seen his FTL travel speeds, but everyone and their grandma understands that travel speed does not equate to battle speed. Especially you Superman fans. Otherwise you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in Silver Surfer or Thor vs. debates. The scans that have been posted and referenced do not show any speedblitz at FTL speeds. I would even trust Superman's own words or thoughts. If he said, "I am maneuvering and hitting him at FTL speeds." I would accept this. And the constant arguments would have more substance. But nothing.
Nonetheless, because I know that you and many others continually believe this to be true absent any actual on-panel evidence, I don't see why you all have such a hard time accepting that the best defense against light speed or FTL speed attacks would be FTL battle reflexes. And classic Thor has demonstrated this on-panel.
............After seeing Superman build a metropolis-sized city in seconds, you still think Thor can keep up with him? Or that Superman can't pull a lightspeed blitz or an FTL blitz? 🤨
This entire arguement is idiotic. Thor has never faced an opponent who used that level of speed. Even Surfer doesn't use that level against Thor, and his battle speed isn't on the same level as Superman's.
You're the ones who have no leg to stand on. Read the stupid respect thread. He's got the feats to fight at that level of speed. It's your boy who lacks the speed feats to compete.