Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Avlon
I simply said that has been in the Mongul powerset since the precrisis days. I never compared the two Monguls feat by feat.

And it's obvious you don't know anything about the characters...you are just bitter because I embarrassed you and your silly statement with a scan AND showed more speed for Superman yet again. 🙂

my argument was that mongul isn't anywhere near supes speed yet has been able to tag him again and again (ex. infinit crisis, superman/batman) and I wasn't embarrassed at all. And my point was that mongul now and mongul precrisis have differnt power sets and people can say and use the same evidence about the hulk and speed.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Hey Cresh! wouldn't it be PIS for Superman to defeat Odin, when he has fits with someone like Despero, and was categorically placed on the same level as Orion?

Thor is now even more powerful than Odin, which not only gives him the power to stop a Gladiator like character dead in his tracks, but he could amp him, or strip him of his abilities.

Technically speaking, Odin could rearrange Superman's power in a way that he would/could appear as a normal human with no powers at all. As I pointed out Thor is more powerful than his father ever was, making him leagues above a brute like Superman. Speed is irrelevant here, as is strength.

How would it be possible to defeat Superman while he was moving so fast? The Odinforce has held superstrong characters in place before, the same force which could be errected to prevent Superman from ever hitting Thor.

What is more durable Captain America's Shield or Supermans face? How about the Destroyers armor vs Supermans face?

I love how this guy has been giving the beat arguments for why supers doesn't even stand a chance but no one is really paying attention to him for the last 100 pages (using hyperbole in case someone missed the sarcasim) it's most likly because no one has any argument against it.

Originally posted by batdude123
What, you mean this? lmao

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorspeed.jpg

All he did was hit Heimdal hard enough to create a sonic boom. It wasn't because of his combat speed. What Thor did there was basically the same thing that Colossus, Thing, Hulk, etc. do when they use a thunder clap.

I'm sensing a trend here... Thor supporters seem to be grossly misinterpreting their own scans. READ THE CAPTIONS, PEOPLE!!!

same to the supporters of supes like the hulk vs. thor and glads scans that the supes side keeps misinterperting and unfairly assesing.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Do people really believe that in a contained atmosphere that Superman moves at superluminal speeds should be the question? I mean if you all want to get technical about it. Thor on the other hand, while spinning Mjolnir at such speeds could be possible because of the nature of the item he is whirling, but Superman isn't magic. Just him throwing a punch at superluminal speeds would likely cause a catastrophe. Just a thought.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It says its the force that cause d the sonic boom. Like when Juggernaut claps his hands together to make a thunderclap. Wolverine is capable of moving faster than the eye can follow as well, that doesn't make him hypersonic. Would you say that when a brick thunderclaps they're moving at hypersonic velocity?

And even then are we really arguing that something hypersonic is on par with something that's light speed?
340.29 m/s vs 299,792,458 m/s

As to your question do I believe that people, that can throw things out of orbit at greater than sonic speed, can swing their arms together at supersonic speeds. It's more than possible. But once again that isn't the point.

It never says Thor's hammer hits Heimdal just that he moved to fast for Heimdal to react to and that his Hammer strike caused a Sonic Boom. You can create mutliple scenarios from that, but I would say more than likely it was just Thor's speed.

Originally posted by Newjak
It also says that he moved to powerfully for Heimdal to intercept does that imply his power just awed Heimdal from moving his sword. No it implies that he was moving to fast for Heimdal to counter. The force of that attack was enough cause the Sonic Boom. Also note it never says he actually hit Heimdal just that his Hammer Strike had enough force to cause a sonic boom.

As to your question do I believe that people, that can throw things out of orbit at greater than sonic speed, can swing their arms together at supersonic speeds. It's more than possible. But once again that isn't the point.

It never says Thor's hammer hits Heimdal just that he moved to fast for Heimdal to react to and that his Hammer strike caused a Sonic Boom. You can create mutliple scenarios from that, but I would say more than likely it was just Thor's speed.

It doesn't say its the speed that caused the sonic boom. But the force of him striking his enchanted mallet. That means its much closer to a thunderclap from a brick than from it moveing at hypersonic velocity.

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sooo thor and speed in these scans (where I got from the thor respect thread show him fighting a foe whom he claims to be moving at light speed. Thor keeps up. No wheither he was acturally or thor was exagerating I don't know. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_07.jpg

Originally posted by Creshosk
It says he strikes his enchanted mallet to cause the sonic boom. A thunder clap is when a brick his their own hand together.

It doesn't say its the speed that caused the sonic boom. But the force of him striking his enchanted mallet. That means its much closer to a thunderclap from a brick than from it moveing at hypersonic velocity.

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And if it is as you say then why would they mention Heimdal being unable to intercept the attack. That indicates the force was generated by speed.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know what a thunder clap rmemeber I used it to beat you.

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Originally posted by Newjak
And if it is as you say then why would they mention Heimdal being unable to intercept the attack. That indicates the force was generated by speed.

Force not Speed. 131

Originally posted by jasofisc
sooo thor and speed in these scans (where I got from the thor respect thread show him fighting a foe whom he claims to be moving at light speed. Thor keeps up. No wheither he was acturally or thor was exagerating I don't know. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_07.jpg

Hmm...

Superman loses because Thor has magic like Dumbledore

Originally posted by Creshosk
You didn't your predecessor did. 131

So Heimdal was unable to intercept an attack, that didn't hit him but did strike something...
What it does read:
"The mighty thunder god [b]strikes his enchanted mallet with force enough to cause a sonic boom."
What it doesn't read:
"The mighty thunder god swings his enchanted mallet with speed enough to cause a sonic boom."

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"To powerful for Heimdal to intercept."

Does that once again mean that Heimdal decided to just stand there in awe of the power and let Thor do his thing.

I mean let's break this down. Thor's attack started of with speed, why wouldn't it end with speed.

Also not to mention Force is just mass times acceleration. So in order for something to create a sonic boom with Force they need to have a bunch of acceleration. 😉

Originally posted by Creshosk
The sheild parried at the speed of light... actually it was a block... and then Thor says he's no match for the guy in speed...

Hmm...

Originally posted by Creshosk
The sheild parried at the speed of light... actually it was a block... and then Thor says he's no match for the guy in speed...

Hmm...

but he did keep up and was not overwheilmed and parring at the speed of light means the guys combat speed is the speed of light. (if we can trust what thor says)

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again

"To powerful for Heimdal to intercept."

Does that once again mean that Heimdal decided to just stand there in awe of the power and let Thor do his thing.

I mean let's break this down. Thor's attack started of with speed, why wouldn't it end with speed.

Also not to mention Force is just mass times acceleration. So in order for something to create a sonic boom with Force they need to have a bunch of acceleration. 😉

Originally posted by Newjak
And yet he still hits the guy 😛

Originally posted by jasofisc
but he did keep up and was not overwheilmed and parring at the speed of light means the guys combat speed is the speed of light. (if we can trust what thor says)

Originally posted by Creshosk
So your're saying that a brick claps at hypersonic velocity?

With lightning which appearently the guy couldn't dodge even with his light speed... So no I think thor was exagerating, as you don't have to move at lightspeed to block a thrown bowl of pudding.

Well from a physics stand point they would have to 😛

But if you are asking do I believe that people that can move mountains and throw objects into space, can swing 50 pounds arms together at Hypersonic Velocity sure why not. 😛

And it wasn't just a bowl of thrown pudding it was a bowl of thrown pudding by THOR. I'm sure Thor could throw a cabbage and you would have to block it. 😛

As to Thor exaggerating, he could be but coming from a guy that constantly travels at lightspeed I'm inclined to say he knows a little about what going lightspeed looks like.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Seems kinda hyperbolic in that sense. more of a figure of speech that he's impressed with the speed. I mean if we're to take the song of kung fu fighting, where their kicks are as fast as lightning litterally, then there are normal people who can kick at light speeds too...

well that's why I said if we can trust what thor says but it's still there and someone can argue that thor would know that he was talking about and used the word light instead of lightning fast or some other hyperbole. just thought I would actually contribute something.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well from a physics stand point they would have to 😛

But if you are asking do I believe that people that can move mountains and throw objects into space, can swing 50 pounds arms together at Hypersonic Velocity sure why not. 😛

And it wasn't just a bowl of thrown pudding it was a bowl of thrown pudding by THOR. I'm sure Thor could throw a cabbage and you would have to block it. 😛

As to Thor exaggerating, he could be but coming from a guy that constantly travels at lightspeed I'm inclined to say he knows a little about what going lightspeed looks like.

Oh by the way you have two incoming attacks on you.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Do people really believe that in a contained atmosphere that Superman moves at superluminal speeds should be the question? I mean if you all want to get technical about it. Thor on the other hand, while spinning Mjolnir at such speeds could be possible because of the nature of the item he is whirling, but Superman isn't magic. Just him throwing a punch at superluminal speeds would likely cause a catastrophe. Just a thought.