Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree. Thor has never thrown a punch in a nanosecond. Thor has never done anything FTL, other than FTL travel or FTL reflexes/defense. And Superman's combat speed is far superior to Thor's. Thor never flies around pummeling baddies with a speedblitz while his brick opponent can only throw a single punch like Superman does. He never imitates intangibility with his speed like Superman does.With all this however, I argue that Superman has never really shown the ability to FTL speedblitz himself. Near FTL speeds? Maybe. Either way, Thor has displayed the ability to keep up and surpass Surfer and Gladiator in straight up fights. I think even Hyperion himself also. And he has definitely displayed on-panel FTL reflexes for defense anyway. But I am loathe to cobble all that together and assert that he is capable of FTL combat speed. It's too circumstantial. Especially since speed has given him problems before, like in the possessed Balder scans.
But his experience with speedsters and FTL reflexes at least gives him a good fighting chance against someone with superior combat speed. Especially if I don't think his opponent's (Superman) combat speed is clearly FTL. That premise combined with comparable durability, comparable strength, comparable fighting skills, exotic powers/spells of Mjolnir and Superman's magic weakness lead me to believe that classic Thor could get a majority on Superman 6/10, maybe 7/10, despite Superman's clear combat speed advantage.
Current Odinforce Thor would be a terrible curbstomp 9/10.
You're going to argue he can't FTL blitz, and yet you acknowledge his intangibility via speed? 👇 Clearly, you have no idea how fast you have to be in order to do that in combat. Neither Glads nor Hype have ever displayed that level of speed.
Plus, the magic weakness isn't really that bad anymore......Zatanna gave Superman lessons on countering magic, and Phantom Stranger boosted his resistance. He just beat freaking Arion in Action Comics.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestUh yes, I will argue that he has never on-panel FTL speedblitzed and at the same time acknowledge that he can imitate intangibility with his speed. So... how fast do you have to move in order to imitate intangibility during combat? Do you have evidence that it requires FTL speeds? Or are you just assuming that?
You're going to argue he can't FTL blitz, and yet you acknowledge his intangibility via speed? 👇 Clearly, you have no idea how fast you have to be in order to do that in combat. Neither Glads nor Hype have ever displayed that level of speed.Plus, the magic weakness isn't really that bad anymore......Zatanna gave Superman lessons on countering magic, and Phantom Stranger boosted his resistance. He just beat freaking Arion in Action Comics.
And as far as I know, Zatanna only taught Superman how to recognize and resist magical attempts to subvert his will in Superman #662. And Phantom Stranger's gift to Superman in Superman Annual #13 was temporary. Superman's own thought captions refer to the protection as protecting him for the time being and Arion also states that if he was at full power, the enchantment would be worthless. I've never seen Superman resisting magic after his Arion fight nor see Superman's S-shield glow after being attacked by magic after this fight. And I've never seen this magical boost even referenced after this fight. Indeed, he was waylaid by magic-K in the more recent Superman/Batman #46 and Phantom Stranger was present in that issue as well. Where was this so-called magic resistance then? For you to assume that Phantom Stranger's temporary gift has lasted past that one fight would involve even more presumptiveness than current Thor retaining his Rune magics. Phantom Stranger's gift has never been depicted nor mentioned again and there's current evidence against Superman having it.
I have no idea why you think lessons in basic magic recognition and a temporary, one time magical immunity matters at all against classic Thor. Classic Thor has never used a mind-spell and this fight isn't set during the Arion storyline. If you want to make a thread involving current Thor vs. one-time Phantom Stranger assistance amped Superman, then go ahead and make one. This is current Thor vs. current Superman.
Originally posted by Ruin
Are you serious?
Quite serious.
Originally posted by Ruin
Sonic booms aren't created by striking people. I'm far from a scientist but to my knowledge, sonic booms occur when an object passes through the air, it creates a series of pressure waves in front of it and behind it. These waves travel at the speed of sound. To my knowledge this is in no way similar to a thunderclap.
Well hey, then I guess you have something in common with comic book writers. Ask any random writer, and I'd bet they wouldn't even know Newton's three laws of motion.
"The mighty Thunder God strikes his enchanted mallet with force enough to cause a sonic boom... "
The sonic boom was a result of his mallet striking Heimdal. That's almost the exact same thing as a thunder clap. Even you must've realized that this was a shady example.
Nice wikipedia definition, btw. 👆
Originally posted by Newjak
Are you the one not reading the scans?You do know it said he moved too fast for the eye to follow. To powerfully for the sword to intercept. And the force from that move created a sonic boom.
In short Thor speedblitzed Heimdal oddly enough. 😉
Your illogical clinging to Thor's nuts is always amusing. See my above statement.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell you know that when people use programs to run computers there not a 100 percent sure it will work?
What the hell has that got to do with anything.
Further more - elaborate, please. I'm a Computer Science major, and unless you're talking about quantum computing...what?
Originally posted by Juntai
In some of these posts it's hard to tell who's debating for what side, lol.
I believe Cresh actually switched back and forth, kinda...
Originally posted by Newjak
Not when it took him hours to do 😉
Liars go to hell. 😛.
Originally posted by Ruin
Doges Mjolnir at point blank range whom consistently moves at light speeds.
Really? ZOMG! Captain America can throw his shield faster than light!
Originally posted by Newjak
Superman wins 10/10 via speedblitz.I feel so dirty. 🙁
Liars still go to hell. 😛.
Originally posted by SoljerI've accepted a long time ago that I'm going to hell. 😄
What the [b]hell has that got to do with anything.Further more - elaborate, please. I'm a Computer Science major, and unless you're talking about quantum computing...what?
I believe Cresh actually switched back and forth, kinda...
Liars go to hell. 😛.
Really? ZOMG! Captain America can throw his shield faster than light!
Liars still go to hell. 😛. [/B]
Originally posted by jasofisc
sooo thor and speed in these scans (where I got from the thor respect thread show him fighting a foe whom he claims to be moving at light speed. Thor keeps up. No wheither he was acturally or thor was exagerating I don't know. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_1986_369_07.jpg
Hold on there...
Thor throws a pie at Balder and Balder blocks the pie in Thors words...at the speed of light...
How does this translate into a feat for Thor who later admits that he's no match for Balders speed as Balder stops his assault?
Originally posted by Avlon
Hold on there...Thor throws a pie at Balder and Balder blocks the pie in Thors words...at the speed of light...
How does this translate into a feat for Thor who later admits that he's no match for Balders speed as Balder stops his assault?
It holds absolutely no relevance whatsoever.
Originally posted by AvlonBecause thor actually manages to beat him despite the speed advantage? Did you read the third scan? 😬
Hold on there...Thor throws a pie at Balder and Balder blocks the pie in Thors words...at the speed of light...
How does this translate into a feat for Thor who later admits that he's no match for Balders speed as Balder stops his assault?
Originally posted by batdude123So an example of Thor defeating an opponent who is superior in speed with magic and Mjolnir isn't applicable to a hypothetical fight against Superman? Why not? 😬
It holds absolutely no relevance whatsoever.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So an example of Thor defeating an opponent who is superior in speed with magic and Mjolnir isn't applicable to a hypothetical fight against Superman? Why not? 😬
LMFAO.
Outside of that parry, what did Balder do in that fight? Answer: Nothing. He just stood there, giving Thor the opportunity to use Mjolnir.
That'd be like if Flash stood completely still and then somebody hit him. And THEN, using that as evidence for the person to show that he has light speed reactions.
This speed issue with Thor is f*ckin' hilarious.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because thor actually manages to beat him despite the speed advantage? Did you read the third scan? 😬
So an example of Thor defeating an opponent who is superior in speed with magic and Mjolnir isn't applicable to a hypothetical fight against Superman? Why not? 😬
Jesus ****ing christ...............you can't be serious. 😐 You're actually going to justify THAT as an example of Thor's superspeed/reactions? 👇
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because thor actually manages to beat him despite the speed advantage? Did you read the third scan? 😬
So an example of Thor defeating an opponent who is superior in speed with magic and Mjolnir isn't applicable to a hypothetical fight against Superman? Why not? 😬
I did read it. Did you read the second one?
Balder stopped his attack when the rock hit him in his domepiece. (Strangely enough... Thor states that Balder is immune to his weapons...but a chick throwing a rock.... stops him.)
Once Balder was still (and apparently confused by that rock) then Thor took the opportunity to strike. He also admitted he was no match for Balders speed.
Originally posted by Avlon
Hold on there...Thor throws a pie at Balder and Balder blocks the pie in Thors words...at the speed of light...
How does this translate into a feat for Thor who later admits that he's no match for Balders speed as Balder stops his assault?
wtf? blocks a pie at the speed of light? 😆 that is some sick shit 😆
the point probaby is, if balder was indeed fighting at the speed of light or something, that thor could at least keep up without being speedblitz...
blocking a pie at the speed of light must be the single greatest speed feat that i have ever seen 😆
