Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I look forward to your producing the scans. Because if Thor himself says it, I'll accept it. As for the telepathic blast, I think it takes more speculation to assume it is STL (slower then light). One thing, the captions describe it as an "instantaneous" blast. Another thing, telepathy by its nature usually travels FTL. Otherwise, Martian Manhunter could never communicate with Flash and Xavier could never contact his X-Men when they were in another galaxy.
But it's also speculation to think that a fire looking blast is going light speed. Read the captions again. It says nothing of the blast moving at instananeous speeds. I already know what it says and means, I just want to give you a chance to interpret it correctly. Telepathy isn't the same as a telepathic blast. Thus you can't equate the two. She still telegraphed.
Also, the telepathic blast may have been telegraphed. But the FTL battle reflexes I am referring to is the blast being blasted and already travelling at Thor, and Thor then raises his arms to deflect it. He did not already have Mjolnir raised to deflect it before it was fired. Therefore, he had to move his arms into position, at a faster speed then the attack.
It can't be proven that the blast is lightspeed. Only speculation at best.
The heat vision I am referring to is him blocking Gladiator's heat vision. Posted several pages ago.Except that he's moving it several feet, not just inches. If you can move your arms at FTL speeds, why law of science prevents you from twisting your body or moving your legs?
Bad logic. Your hands can move much much faster than your legs can. Think about it. Also, one doesn't need to move their arms as fast as the beam in order to block it. This is because the beam moves a larger distance than your arms do in the same amount of time.
Most people don't use handbooks as evidence, h1a8. And if you use them, you have to use it all. Otherwise I'd call you out on selective reading and a double-standard. Marvel handbooks also indicate that JLA/Avengers actually happened. I would suggest that you drop handbooks; they are a very slippery slope. Besides, the writers already admit that there are a lot of mistakes and most people don't use them in KMC debates anyway.
I used the word canon to mean acceptable. Crossovers are not valid here on this forum since they usually ignore common sense.
I use handbooks all the way friend. And if there is an error then I don't use that specific info but I still use the rest of the handbook. Comics have errors too. So by your logic we shouldn't use comics either. I accept both comics and handbooks as the absolute truth until proven false. Kinda like innocent until proven guilty.
Look, I can understand why people would infer FTL battle speed and reflexes from instantaneous FTL travelling speed. But I choose not to accept it. And I don't actually remember Superman ever travelling at light speed instantaneously. I know that Flash can do it. But I have seen Superman come short too many times to believe that he can instantaneously achieve FTL speeds.
Yet you seen him not come short.
For instance, it takes him a while to achieve light speed when he is trying to escape that black hole. If he could do it instantaneously, why'd it take him so long to achieve it?
Faulty logic here. A black hole slows you down. Superman wouldn't face this restriction in his battle with Thor.
Besides, if I chose to accept this standard, then Silver Surfer vs. Superman would be a terrible curbstomp for Surfer. Surfer has been clearly depicted as instanteously achieving light speed and you and I would have all the Superman fans up in arms at that point.
SS can't achieve light speed instanteously. It takes him at least second to reach lightspeed. There is one exception though (the IG saga). I take that feat as PIS since there was several times SS used all his strength to travel as fast as he can and only achieved light speed after a second. Also, I don't infer travel speed to
battle speed. One must have the necessary reflexes, instant burst speed (from rest), and the ability to move limbs (arms, legs, torso, etc.) fast as well. Superman has performed many very complex tasks seemingly FTL (from rest). That's why I say we can substitute these complex tasks into simple zips and punches.
Gladiator and Hyperion fought in the 616 universe in a Quasar comic during the storyline 'Starblast.' The captions state that Hyperion returns a punch nanoseconds later after Gladiator rains a blow on him. Gladiator blocks the punch. Gladiator eventually beats Hyperion. It's in the Gladiator respect thread.
This is PIS by statistics.
Interesting point. If Surfer flexes his muscles in a nanosecond... how fast is that really? I honestly never gave it much thought. A picosecond is one millionth of a second. A nanosecond is one billionth of a second. After looking it up and with some rough calculations, it takes light a lil more then 1 nanosecond to move 1 foot. So if Surfer flexes arms from behind his back and over his head, that's about 6 feet. If he does that in less then a nanosecond, his arms are moving six times the speed of light.
That scan only shows SS speaking in figurative language. There was no nanosecond anything as it contradicts his entire history. Thus it was hyperbole or PIS.
If Hyperion and Gladiator throw a punch the length of the arm, around 3 feet. And that takes a few nanoseconds later... let's say 3 nanoseconds? Then the fist is moving at light speed. It's rough, I know. And tough to measure and quantify what happens in a comic panel. But I guess it's up to the individual to make up for his own mind if nanosecond reaction times are light speed times. I personally think that since light only moves 1 foot in 1 nanosecond, nanoseconds are a good measure of light speed battle reflexes and such.
Again you wasted time typing here. The feat was PIS. But I understand what you mean about nanosecond and light. I already knew this a long time ago. I just wanted to see if you can figure it out. Good job!
1. I think he could. He's raised his arms at FTL speeds. I don't see too much speculation necessary to project that ability to move his arms into his ability to twist his waist around. But apparently he's not clearly twisted his hip around at FTL speeds on-panel. At the least, Gladiator and Hyperion exchange punches and twist their bodies around in nanoseconds...
PIS okay. Also, Gladiator and Hyperion have nothing to do with Thor. Otherwise I can say that Hulk can move faster than light since he struck Thor, SS, etc. I can also say that since a gas station seemingly koed Superman then gas stations>>>Superman. And I already shown you that arms move a lot faster than feet and waists.
2. Well, he'd block the HV with Mjolnir in one hand and defend against the punches with his other hand. But then again, I'll concede he's not actually done this on-panel. He's actually deflected flying bricks with a Mjolnir swing and left himself open to a Gladiator punch. I suppose he could just actually hit Superman in the face with Mjolnir and bypass defense altogether. Best defense is a good offense?Good questions.
Good try but Superman is faster and will beat Thor to the punch. Thor must begin on the defensive. Especially if Superman instant appears behind him.
Note: Superman needs only 1 hit on Thor to win. And since Superman is faster he has a great chance of hitting Thor first. Thus he must win the majority.
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