Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWell able to punch out Cyborg Superman who has easily K.O the Superman family with a single punch , owning a DAXAMITE with punches , beating darkside h2h , Infinite Man I can go on.
It's pretty obvious Superman has better strength feats?😆
Name a few, hell name one, that puts him clearly above Thor. For everyone of Superman's feats, Thor has his own to match. Baseless in my opinion. Lol. Show me Superman's so called better striking feats.
Whatever strength combat related feat? I've read plenty of Superman, and plenty of Thor, and I've yet to see these so called feats. Mjolnir only adds so much blunt force damage. Even without it, his shown planet rocking, and destroying strength.
What's you're point with the Hulk and Thor fight reference?
Don't forget that in his fights with Hulk, Thor holds back his strength and most of his power as he has stated. Him being mortal, and the entire rage thing.
Hulk has defeat Thor without Mjolnir and commented that without Mjolnir Thor isn’t as effective.
Now let’s see all the people Thor has defeated H2h?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Show me one time Thor doesn't do well physically against Hulk. I have all the fights on hand if you want.
I don't have the issue on hand, but I'll trust you know what I'm talking about anyway. Hulk #440ish. After Hulk gets shrapnel in his brain and decides to become a younger Maestro Hulk...Thor needed to enter a berserker state to simply keep up with him. And Maestro seemed to be holding back the entire time, because when he wanted to end the fight, he did.
Hulk's also done damn well against the Destroyer physically. I'll find the issues/scans in question if you want more detail. I just don't have them available to look at right now.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Getting you're ass kicked by Kurse, Mangog and the Destroyer is a bad thing? Kurse is built to be 4 times stronger than Thor. Of course Thor would physically be man handled. Mangog is Mangog. His a beast, and even the recent most version was only put down by Thor with an Anti-Force blast. His never been able to take on Mangog, and defeat him physically. The Destroyer? Are you serious? You're basing consistency on him being overpowered, and defeated by beings that are clearly portrayed as his superior?
Originally posted by kgkg
Now let’s see all the people Thor has defeated H2h?
He's also taken on Perrikus without Mjolnir and while weakened, without being KO'd.
Originally posted by EnyalusI don't have the issue on hand, but I'll trust you know what I'm talking about anyway. Hulk #440ish. After Hulk gets shrapnel in his brain and decides to become a younger Maestro Hulk...Thor needed to enter a berserker state to simply keep up with him. And Maestro seemed to be holding back the entire time, because when he wanted to end the fight, he did.
Hulk's also done damn well against the Destroyer physically. I'll find the issues/scans in question if you want more detail. I just don't have them available to look at right now.
Point was Superman takes on opponents who are also stronger than him by a fair bit. Yet fares better, IMO. The one real exception would be Superboy Prime, and if you ask me, he's physically above Kurse, Mangog, or The Destroyer.
Mjolnir wielding Loki and Fenris Wolf at the same time come to mind immediately. In fact, he beat their bloody asses without them landing a single blow in return.
He's also taken on Perrikus without Mjolnir and while weakened, without being KO'd. [/B]
I'm your huckleberry.
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Who has Superman taken on and fared well against? Prime we all know has wrecked him as you pointed out. I'd like some of these examples.
Prime isn't above the Destroyer also. There is nothing to suggest that he is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Who has Superman taken on and fared well against? Prime we all know has wrecked him as you pointed out. I'd like some of these examples.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime isn't above the Destroyer also. There is nothing to suggest that he is.
Nice to see ya back from your LOA.
Originally posted by EnyalusDarkseid isn't stronger than Superman imo. Superman has him dead to rights in terms of feats.I already gave some of them. Darkseid, Doomsday, Konvikt, Ultraman, Captain Marvel, Orion, etc.
Physically, I think he is. Invulnerability-wise and power output wise, no.
Nice to see ya back from your LOA. [/B]
None of these other titans are near the Destroyer or Kurse imo.
I disagree. The Celestials and King thor from the reigning would also destroy Prime as well.
Not for long. Herochat is down and it seems I already have seen a high alert status in the Thor vs. Superman thread. I wish people would quit reporting every little thing. It just kills threads and gets comic posters banned.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't have the issue on hand, but I'll trust you know what I'm talking about anyway. Hulk #440ish. After Hulk gets shrapnel in his brain and decides to become a younger Maestro Hulk...Thor needed to enter a berserker state to simply keep up with him. And Maestro seemed to be holding back the entire time, because when he wanted to end the fight, he did.
Common, you know the context of that issue. Thor's powers were completely out of whack right? He was powerless at the time. Then right before, his fight his hammer crackled a bit of lighting, and he went on to fight the Hulk. I'm not surprised, he needed the amp to keep up.
Maestro didn't seem to be holding back. What do you mean he ended the fight when he wanted too? He simply punched Thor out of the way with a powerful blow, but Thor didn't feel anything besides his anger and so on.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Hulk's also done damn well against the Destroyer physically. I'll find the issues/scans in question if you want more detail. I just don't have them available to look at right now.
No need for scans my friend. I have the issue on hand.
As I recall, the best Hulk did, was use use his size advantage to pick the Destroyer up, and throw him around, which did absolutely nothing. The moment he got in close, the Destroyer picked him up his head and tossed him like a rag doll. The Destroyer beat his ass like a step child, until the Hulk jumped into the Destroyer, and fought for it with Maestro, in the Astral Plane, or wherever that was.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Point was Superman takes on opponents who are also stronger than him by a fair bit. Yet fares better, IMO. The one real exception would be Superboy Prime, and if you ask me, he's physically above Kurse, Mangog, or The Destroyer.
When I first read this, I thought you meant that you thought, Superman was above Kurse, Mangog and the Destroyer. I was like is he serious? Lol. Anyways, no, Prime isn't above them either.
You brought up, Captain Marvel, Darkseid, Orion Wonder Woman etc. I don't count those as being stronger by a fair bit. Most of them are on his level, or below. None of them are above him by a fair bit and shouldn't be compared to Thor fighting the likes of the Destroyer or Kurse.
I don't believe he fares better than Thor either. Thor when pushed, has even dropped Kurse temporarily with a blow. He dropped Mangog. Even when seriously out classed, and nearly mortal, Thor still manages to fight and even win, like he did against Grog. I don't think Superman fares better.
Hell, Thor's taken on guys like Galactus, and come out on top.
I'm trying to see you're point of view. I really am, but I think that at best these two are equals in strength. I've read plenty of Thor, and Superman, and I just don't see what Superman has done to place him above Thor in strength. Feat, for feat Thor matches him. Superman has a little more hand to hand combat showings, but that's because of the way he fights. Thor has shown that when needed, his just as capable in hand to hand. Besides quality over quantity. 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
Mjolnir wielding Loki and Fenris Wolf at the same time come to mind immediately. In fact, he beat their bloody asses without them landing a single blow in return.He's also taken on Perrikus without Mjolnir and while weakened, without being KO'd.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThor's powers were restored for this fight. Thor's powers were shit right before this fight.
Common, you know the context of that issue. Thor's powers were completely out of whack right? He was powerless at the time. Then right before, his fight his hammer crackled a bit of lighting, and he went on to fight the Hulk. I'm not surprised, he needed the amp to keep up.Maestro didn't seem to be holding back. What do you mean he ended the fight when he wanted too? He simply punched Thor out of the way with a powerful blow, but Thor didn't feel anything besides his anger and so on.
No need for scans my friend. I have the issue on hand.
As I recall, the best Hulk did, was use use his size advantage to pick the Destroyer up, and throw him around, which did absolutely nothing. The moment he got in close, the Destroyer picked him up his head and tossed him like a rag doll. The Destroyer beat his ass like a step child, until the Hulk jumped into the Destroyer, and fought for it with Maestro, in the Astral Plane, or wherever that was.
When I first read this, I thought you meant that you thought, Superman was above Kurse, Mangog and the Destroyer. I was like is he serious? Lol. Anyways, no, Prime isn't above them either.
You brought up, Captain Marvel, Darkseid, Orion Wonder Woman etc. I don't count those as being stronger by a fair bit. Most of them are on his level, or below. None of them are above him by a fair bit and shouldn't be compared to Thor fighting the likes of the Destroyer or Kurse.
I don't believe he fares better than Thor either. Thor when pushed, has even dropped Kurse temporarily with a blow. He dropped Mangog. Even when seriously out classed, and nearly mortal, Thor still manages to fight and even win, like he did against Grog. I don't think Superman fares better.
Hell, Thor's taken on guys like Galactus, and come out on top.
I'm trying to see you're point of view. I really am, but I think that at best these two are equals in strength. I've read plenty of Thor, and Superman, and I just don't see what Superman has done to place him above Thor in strength. Feat, for feat Thor matches him. Superman has a little more hand to hand combat showings, but that's because of the way he fights. Thor has shown that when needed, his just as capable in hand to hand. Besides quality over quantity. 😛
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Maestro certainly was trying to put Thor down, but he acted quickly to save Thor's life. Thor was so far gone at that point he was completely out of control while Hulk snapped out of it when he needed to for Thor's safety.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's powers were restored for this fight. Thor's powers were shit right before this fight.Maestro certainly was trying to put Thor down, but he acted quickly to save Thor's life. Thor was so far gone at that point he was completely out of control while Hulk snapped out of it when he needed to for Thor's safety.
Who said Thor's powers restored? A little crackling of lightning and you count that as his powers being restored? One moment his a mortal, than he hits the hammer on the ground, and by some miracle he has some powers back and that counts as him having his full power restored?
There was no point. That explosion wouldn't have put Thor down, much less take his life. Although, in the condition Thor was in, who knows. The fact that he needed to be in such a state just to stalemate Maestro, shows how bad of a shape Thor was in.
Originally posted by kgkg
Well able to punch out Cyborg Superman who has easily K.O the Superman family with a single punch , owning a DAXAMITE with punches , beating darkside h2h , Infinite Man I can go on.
Considering Clark is pretty much the strongest DC earth hero and has defeated pretty much everyone in h2h he is clearly Superior to Thor in h2h combat.Hulk has defeat Thor without Mjolnir and commented that without Mjolnir Thor isn’t as effective.
Now let’s see all the people Thor has defeated H2h?
Darkseid is a jobber, and I've seen Superman rip to shreds before. He doesn't impress me. Beating a Daxamite? I would assume Superman with his superior experience, should beat a Daxamite.
When did Superman defeat Infinity Man? I honestly don't recall that.
I would rate Captain Marvel and so on as his equal, although Superman clearly has more feats. His arguably the strongest DC Earth hero. The same goes for Thor. His arguably the strongest hero on Marvel Earth.
He is clearly superior to Thor in hand to hand combat? He is not clearly superior and neither is he stronger. Feat for feat, Thor can match him in strength. He isn't superior to Thor in hand to hand combat either.
I do admit, that in terms of hand to hand combat, Superman might have more showings, but that's because of his style of fighting. Still, Thor's manhandled Namor and Ares with 3 times the amp, defeated Maxam and Drax with the power Gem, Beta Ray Bill, defeated Zotarr the Troll, was knocking around Juggernaut, held his own against Perrikus while weakened, had Ulik on the ropes besides the amp, while nearly power less he was even able to defeat Grog the God crusher.
Superman clearly superior in hand to hand? That isn't true.
In terms of feats of raw strength, Thor matches him feat for feat.
When the hell did Hulk ever defeat Thor without Mjolnir? That's never happened.
Regarding Hulk saying Thor is ineffective without it? You mean where he tried to bait Thor to lose Mjolnir, and then had to resort to taking a hostage and he still did not succeed in defeating Thor, and only stalemated him?
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Got a question, what is wrong with being stalemated by hulk? Supes has been taken out by people MUCH weaker than hulk (Kalibak). Overrall, thor has shown to be stronger physically without the use of hyperbole. The serpent feat alone puts him over supes strength wise. It was stated that the serpant had the weight of the planet earth and thor moved it with a fishing pole where supes has struggled to move things far less in weight.
Durability shouldnt even be debated
Originally posted by carver9
Got a question, what is wrong with being stalemated by hulk? Supes has been taken out by people MUCH weaker than hulk (Kalibak). Overrall, thor has shown to be stronger physically without the use of hyperbole. The serpent feat alone puts him over supes strength wise. It was stated that the serpant had the weight of the planet earth and thor moved it with a fishing pole where supes has struggled to move things far less in weight.Durability shouldnt even be debated
