Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Was it a physical feat or was it hyperbole? If its hyperbole then lets not go there since I could easily bring up Beyonder saying hulk has unlimited strength and Thanos compared hulk physically to Champion who possessed the power gem (same champion that destroyed a planet with a punch).

On panel showings of actual lifting feats Hulk>>Thor and Supes.

Kang, hit him with cobalt force, that hit him with such pressure, it was equivalent to having half the weight of the planet on you, and Thor was able to still stand and resist it.

As I recall, the Beyonder said he had the potential for near to unlimited strength or something along those lines. Even those statements made about Hulk are unquantifiable, as how do you quantify unlimited, and how do you reach unlimited?

Thor has plenty of hyperbole. Strongest man in the Universe, etc. and so on.

What, on panel showings of lifting does Hulk have that are greater than Thor and Superman?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
There is no limit to the Hulk's strength.
Thanos did not compare Hulk to the Champion in the way that they were equally powerful, but rather that the fight would be similar....

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor%20comics/Thor140-15.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor%20comics/Thor140-16.jpg

Right there.

And he's resisting it. I don't think you should use the word "hyperbole" as you don't know what it means.

Originally posted by carver9
Well from what I have seen of hulk and Herc fight, Hulk always tend to have the upper hand, even in the beginning.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I recall the Hulk vs. Hercules: When Titans Clash comic where Savage Hulk was depicted as being clearly stronger than Herc. He even flexed his pectoral muscle and bounced Herc off of him at one point.

Then again...it was written by Pak, so...

Originally posted by Enyalus
I recall the Hulk vs. Hercules: When Titans Clash comic where Savage Hulk was depicted as being clearly stronger than Herc. He even flexed his pectoral muscle and bounced Herc off of him at one point.

Then again...it was written by Pak, so...

Shit like that pisses me off. I mean, if you're going to call him the equal of Thor, then portray him as the equal of Thor. He needs more respect. I mean, they allowed Pak, to write Hulk dropping him in 3 hits and turn his face into a mess. True he wasn't fighting back, but still....

I mean outside of their personal encounters and fights, Hercules doesn't seem to be portrayed as an equal to Thor. At least not consistently. If his the equal of Thor, then let him be the equal of Thor. Shit like Ares stalemating him in strength, him being burned by fire, Hulk punking him is just stupid if his the equal of Thor. Either he is or his not. I dislike how they just get to pick and choose as the story allows it. I mean because of this some people think Wonder Woman is stronger than him. Just stupid.

Sorry for the rant. 😛

Originally posted by darthgoober
I've never read that particular issue so I can't really comment on it, but at best it sounds extremely high end for Hulk and low end for Herc.

Same issue had Zeus be injured by an arrow or something :/

Originally posted by darthgoober
I've never read that particular issue so I can't really comment on it, but at best it sounds extremely high end for Hulk and low end for Herc.

But, written by Greg Pak. So yeah. Hulk wanking.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean half his strength feats start off base? Hulk amps almost instantly. The reason he turns into Hulk is because Bruce was angered, and that automatically feeds his rage.

He didn't actually lift or have the mountain dropped on him. He simply supported that cavern with leverage. That feat is really misinterpreted in my opinion. Also, wasn't that Professor Hulk? I don't remember.

Those Anti-Matter bombs feat, is also misinterpreted as I recall. I don't recall what, but I remember giving a summary on why, it's not nearly as impressive as some people believe. I should find that.

Anyways like I said. Hulk at base, starts out at a 100 tons. I even recall it being lower. I'm not sure. His strength amps constantly and his strength has shown to rise instantly on the occasion. It doesn't happen gradually. It can, but if needed, he jumps up levels, in moments. So saying he doesn't have enough time to up is off in my opinion.

You're misinterpreting the proof.

You should agree with me here. I'm always right. Just quote me and you'll never be wrong. Lol. 😱

He supported the mountain but its a lot more than anything that a 100 tonner should be able to do. The feat was a base hulk strength feat, that was the reason reed was saying mean things to hulk, so that his strength would increase to higher levels.

I agree about the anti matter bombs, its still a good feat and something that a 100 tonner shouldnt be able to do.

Hulk has many strength feats at base level that put him either at thor or supes level OR above. Hulk physically is>thor and supes and the main reason I brought this up is due to the fact that people was using hulk as a low showing when supes has fallen down and knocked out by people far weaker than hulk.

😆 I agree with you (and darth) on a lot of things that you say rage, you're a good debator but I'm not agreeing with you on this one.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It was just reiteration of an older comic where Hercules was literally holding the Earth on his shoulders.

when magic & deities are involved, that feat could have been a metaphysical sort of thing, rather than a physical feat.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It was a one-shot. I don't have it on the hard drive, otherwise I'd post a scan. Atum/Demogorge makes an appearance in it. So does Ares. It was pretty cool.

But, written by Greg Pak. So yeah. Hulk wanking.

I have the issue. You want me to post something? The fight with Hulk and Hercules?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah, i know all about that and the original myth of heracles tricking atlas.

when magic & deities are involved, that feat could have been a metaphysical sort of thing, rather than a physical feat.

Yea. They handled it well in "Trials of Shazam". That was a nice twist to it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I have the issue. You want me to post something? The fight with Hulk and Hercules?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
There is no limit to the Hulk's strength.
Thanos did not compare Hulk to the Champion in the way that they were equally powerful, but rather that the fight would be similar....

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor%20comics/Thor140-15.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor%20comics/Thor140-16.jpg

Right there.

I knew what feat you was talking about, I use to own the comic ( someone stole it). I call think of thing like that as hyperbole in most cases because its much easier to debate physical object than something that was said by someone, no matter who it is.

I could easily throw up a couple of scans where people marked gladiator as the strongest being in the universe and these are people that have seen some of the most powerful beings in the universe BUT peopole would throw it off as hyperbole.

Its hard to debate that scan and its also hard to debate the scans that I brought up about hulk and the anti bombs because theres nothing physically there.

By the way, I kind of think twice about replying to your comments because you tend to go into an angry tantrum, give me a break today Kris when you reply too my comment, been having a good day so far.

Originally posted by carver9
He supported the mountain but its a lot more than anything that a 100 tonner should be able to do. The feat was a base hulk strength feat, that was the reason reed was saying mean things to hulk, so that his strength would increase to higher levels.

Correction. He supported with leverage, that cavern, which doesn't make it impossible or ridiculous for a 100 toner even so, Hulk was above base. Not the entire mountain. Like I said, Hulk amps up ridiculously fast. The simply fact that Banner becomes Hulk is that Banner gets angry, or stressed, so that serves to fuel Hulk as well. Hulk stays at base for only a few moments. Wasn't that also Professor Hulk? He amps even quicker than Savage Hulk in my opinion, but with the limitations his far weaker in the long run.

Of course they would want him to get stronger. The stronger the better. It doesn't mean he wasn't strong enough, but like he said, he couldn't hold it forever.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree about the anti matter bombs, its still a good feat and something that a 100 tonner shouldnt be able to do.

He didn't do that at base though. Not only was not at base but he was constantly getting stronger, until eventually he overpowered it. Thanks to some coaching from Spider-Man as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has many strength feats at base level that put him either at thor or supes level OR above. Hulk physically is>thor and supes and the main reason I brought this up is due to the fact that people was using hulk as a low showing when supes has fallen down and knocked out by people far weaker than hulk.

What feats does he have at base level, that put him on Thor or Superman's level, or above?

To say Hulk starts out on Thor's/Superman's level is just plain ridiculous. He clearly does not. If he did, he would be smacking around Thor moments into the fight. If he did, Abomination wouldn't be smacking him around before he amped up and surpassed him.

Eventually he is above them, but that would take time, and time. Even with sufficient time, he couldn't amp up past Thor. Even while growing rapidly and constantly stronger for hours on end. Thor's strength reserve is simply that vast. Simply based on that, it's ridiculous to say he starts out on their level.

Originally posted by carver9
😆 I agree with you (and darth) on a lot of things that you say rage, you're a good debator but I'm not agreeing with you on this one.

Thank you. You should. I'm right.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Please.

Okay, uploading it now.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Because Thor, or Superman>Hulk

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Who said Thor's powers restored? A little crackling of lightning and you count that as his powers being restored? One moment his a mortal, than he hits the hammer on the ground, and by some miracle he has some powers back and that counts as him having his full power restored?

There was no point. That explosion wouldn't have put Thor down, much less take his life. Although, in the condition Thor was in, who knows. The fact that he needed to be in such a state just to stalemate Maestro, shows how bad of a shape Thor was in.

Hulk sure seemed to think so. That was why he quickly knocked him up there.

You have zero proof that Thor wasn't at full power. Thor simply couldn't put Hulk down. He has always struggled with the Hulk. It drives Thor crazy that he can't put him down for the count.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I used to think so. It really isn't true at all.

When did Thor act like he wasn't back at full power. If this was true he would definitely have mentioned it. His powers were restored and that's that.

Hulk sure seemed to think so. That was why he quickly knocked him up there.

You have zero proof that Thor wasn't at full power. Thor simply couldn't put Hulk down. He has always struggled with the Hulk. It drives Thor crazy that he can't put him down for the count.

True statement

Hulk vs. Hercules!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]Hulk vs. Hercules!

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That was when hulk was banished to The Crossroads of Reality right? I though he was mindless back then.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]Hulk vs. Hercules!

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And actually, Herc didn't seem to do such a bad job. Interesting. I'm going senile at my old age apparently.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]Hulk vs. Hercules!

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Nice showing from Herc, one of the best that i have seen