Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt happens in page 24, panel 2, of issue 439.
I just skimmed through the arc. Where does it say that the fight was in another time line? The Hulk turned into Maestro as the result of the shards from the explosion and next issue he fought Thor.
If you didn't catch it, I'm just going off a memory from an arc read quite a while ago.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat isn't proof of anything of the sort. You are basing your entire argument on just not like certain aspects of the fight and trying to justify Thor being weaker when that wasn't alluded to at all in this book. Thor was powered back up and took the fight to the Hulk.
I never said he was out of the fight, but the fact that some cold water, and a punch from Hulk, can put him on his knees, and have such an effect on Thor, should be a testament to the fact he was not at full power.Thor in the past, has been able to stalemate an enraged Hulk for entire hours on end, without showing any signs of tiring, while restraining his strength and power like he usually does. In the past Thor has stalemated, the Hulk in strength and in a brawl while holding back, and the moment he has Mjolnir in hand, he knocks the Hulk around like a rag doll. He said, Mindless Hulk in an enraged state, flying in one blow, the moment he realized he was nothing more than an animal, and it was safe to put him down.
Yet here, Thor needed a ten times amp in his strength, had Mjolnir in hand, and was going all out, and was only barely holding his own?
sly
You’re going to ignore all that?
Yes in a fist fight he has been able to trade blows. The Hulk despite his ever increasing strength has never been able to do anything more than stalemate Thor in pure strength and in brawl, whether it was Mindless, or Savage, whether it was moments, or hours on end, and that’s with Thor restraining his strength as he always does. With Mjolnir in hand, Thor is capable of beating the hell out of Hulk as shown. He has knocked him around like a rag doll in the past.
Here Thor needed all of his powers and a [b]ten times amp in strength just to hold his own.
You are a grown man not a child. Just because something is not as obvious as it usually is in comics, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Look at the examples. You should be able to interpret the situation and come up with logical conclusions based on the evidence shown.
I realize that Hulk gets stronger with anger, but Thor has been able to handle that in the past just fine. The fact that Thor was going all out, yet needed a ten times amp in strength, and Mjolnir in hand just to hold his own, should point to the fact that Thor, wasn’t anywhere near his normal levels of power. Dude, I know that Thor constantly talks throughout his battles, and yet here he was foaming at the mouth, because the berserker rage/warrior madness, was taking over him, so he wasn’t much more than a blood crazy animal.
What exactly is you’re point here?
What’s any of that supposed to prove?
If you knew Thor a little better than I did, then I wouldn’t be having this discussion with you.
Dude, Thor has thrown Mjolnir at speeds faster than light and recalled it back, how fast and hard Mjolnir would hit at those speeds should make the speed threw Mjolnir there rather insignificant and those speeds did not do so much as phase Thor, yet here he yelled, at the force of the impact? Lulz….
We have a phrase for that; it’s called plot induced stupidity. The fact that the writer implied that such an explosion could kill Thor should also be a testament to how much of his actual power he had. I mean seriously, that type of explosion kill Thor? If you honestly think that’s how much Thor can survive, at his full level of power, than I can’t help you….
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And what would that everything be? Exactly what pointed against the fact that Thor was at full power?
Based on what I’m seeing everything pointed to him being depowered. The fact that he needed a ten times amp in strength, was going all out, had Mjolnir in hand and could barely hold his own, would have been killed by such a level of explosion, was apparently so depended on air, and was brought to his knees by a combination of cold water and a punch from Hulk all point to him being depowered.
One moment his nothing but a mortal, and then a few sparks of lightning and you assume he was at full power?
Don’t put words in my mouth. When have I claimed to be a Thor expert?
I give the Hulk all the respect he deserves. I have all of the Hulk’s appearances, and I know a great deal about the Hulk. You’re the one who doesn’t give Thor the respect he deserves here.
It’s far from a 100% accurate, quannybun. It’s the exact opposite of accurate. I’m not doing any spinning. I am coming to a logical conclusion based on the evidence presented by the issue in question. Thor is my favorite Marvel character, while Wally West, is my favorite DC character. I like them both just as much. [/B]
And in this fight he took on Hulk for hours and couldn't put him down. Seems like much of the same to me. You are actually arguing against yourself now. The hammer has never been shown to easily take out the Hulk.
And? The Hulk amps himself with anger. Seeing as how the Hulk was seething in rage I don't see the problem here.
So what? The point of his hand stinging was to emphasize the ferocity of this battle. Nothing more and nothing less.
Thor was killed in future imperfect. Any kind of explosion can be changed into a plot device AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD KILL THOR ISN'T THE POINT. The point is that Hulk thought enough of Thor's safety during this ferocious battle. Thor was still more of an animal at this battle's conclusion that Hulk was.
Without Thor's hammer Hulk has been shown to get the better of him. With Thor's hammer there has never been a definitive winner as of yet.