Thor vs Superman

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus453 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't proof of anything of the sort. You are basing your entire argument on just not like certain aspects of the fight and trying to justify Thor being weaker when that wasn't alluded to at all in this book. Thor was powered back up and took the fight to the Hulk.

So you’re going to completely ignore what I stated? Facts such as Thor needed a ten times amp in strength just to hold his own, needed Mjolnir and was going all out just to hold his own?

You’re just arguing for no other reason than arguing if you are honestly going to ignore all that. Where does it even say he is at full power?

He strikes the ground some lightning crackles, and you assume his back to full power? If anything we should assume a portion of his power is returned, unless stated that he was back at full powers. Throw in the fact that even under those circumstances he could just to survive and hold his own instead of curb stomping the Hulk, while in the past he has been able to stalemate the Hulk for entire hours in strength while holding back despite any circumstances, mean his anything but at full power. To suggest otherwise is simply illogical looking at Thor’s level of strength and how well he has done against the Hulk in the past.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And in this fight he took on Hulk for hours and couldn't put him down. Seems like much of the same to me.

You’re blatantly ignoring what I’m saying. There is nothing the same here. Thor while holding back, under more stressful conditions, and for even a longer period time, was more than capable of stalemating the Hulk in strength for hours. Here with a ten times amp, Mjolnir in hand and going all out, and all he could do was survive.

They fought for only a little more than an hour in this fight. Where does it say they fought for entire hours on end? They’ve only fought for so long once as I recall.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are actually arguing against yourself now. The hammer has never been shown to easily take out the Hulk.

What the hell are you talking about?

Then you haven’t read enough of their fights.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And? The Hulk amps himself with anger. Seeing as how the Hulk was seething in rage I don't see the problem here.

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He was seething with pure rage and hate in those other fights and he could do nothing more than stalemate Thor, even despite the fact Thor restrains himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what? The point of his hand stinging was to emphasize the ferocity of this battle. Nothing more and nothing less.

The point of his hand stinging was to show how much Thor was depowered. Thor has thrown Mjolnir at speeds far faster than light, and recalled it back without so much as being phase, while here when he recalled it, his entire body was pulled back, and he yelled in pain, and in shock.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor was killed in future imperfect. Any kind of explosion can be changed into a plot device AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD KILL THOR ISN'T THE POINT. The point is that Hulk thought enough of Thor's safety during this ferocious battle. Thor was still more of an animal at this battle's conclusion that Hulk was.

Would you stop trying to make excuses and trying to find a cop out? “Future Imperfect” was an alternate time line where, Thor could have been depowered, or any number of things. The situation here is different.

No, that is the point, which is something you seem to keep misunderstanding. The fact that such an explosion was presumably fatal to Thor, even further solidifies the fact that Thor was weakened severely. It was not only strength but durability as well. This also shown by the fact that, a punch from Hulk and some cold water can stun him so severely and bring him to his knees. I mean Thor has withstood attacks capable of destroying a planet in space physically unharmed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Without Thor's hammer Hulk has been shown to get the better of him. With Thor's hammer there has never been a definitive winner as of yet.

When has Hulk shown to be the better of Thor in a brawl? I have all their fights on hand and the Hulk has never been able to put Thor down despite his ever increasing strength. It’s always been a stalemate at best. That’s not taking into account the fact Thor actually holds back/restrains his strength to an extent in his fights with Hulk as he has stated while the Hulk pushes himself to his limits as stated as well.

You haven’t read their fights have you? If you did you would not make such statements.

Thor has knocked Hulk out with Mjolnir easily enough, and that’s simply with some lightning attacks. He can do much more.

With Mjolnir in hand, Thor has smacked the Hulk around so badly, he resorts to a hostage(Thor just plays along, as he can practically instantly recall Mjolnir no matter how far he throws it.). Hell, the Hulk shows incredible fear when Mjolnir returns to Thor’s hand.

Hell, he downed, the Mindless Hulk in one blow, when he realized he was nothing but an animal, and stopped holding some of his strength.

guys, comparing thor to hulk is pointless in this thread. please leave it alone.

Why are feats of older versions of Thor used in this thread?

It says CURRENT Thor.

Anyways, nothing stops Superman smashing Mjolnir.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Why are feats of older versions of Thor used in this thread?

It says CURRENT Thor.

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Why in the hell wouldn't we be able to use Thor's older feats? They still apply, and even seem more impressive when put in perspective, as Thor has gotten an amp in his physical stats. Using feats of Rune King Thor would be incorrect, but using feats of his classic version should be no problem at all.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Anyways, nothing stops Superman smashing Mjolnir.

Oh you mean besides Mjolnir's durability, enchantments, Thor and all of his powers?

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Well, we know for a fact that Mjolnir can be damaged.

And DC's poster boy will have all the PIS/CIS needed to succeed in accomplishing that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Why in the hell wouldn't we be able to use Thor's older feats? They still apply, and even seem more impressive when put in perspective, as Thor has gotten an amp in his physical stats. Using feats of Rune King Thor would be incorrect, but using feats of his classic version should be no problem at all.


If that is the case we could as well throw in WM Thor and King Thor feats into the fray.

And KC Supes and PC Supes feats as well.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Well, we know for a fact that Mjolnir can be damaged.

And DC's poster boy will have all the PIS/CIS needed to succeed in accomplishing that.

sly

Yes by things such as the Destroyer's disintegration beam, or Bor's godly powers. No one on Superman's level has ever damaged it if I recall, off the top of my head.

What do you mean he would have all the "P.I.S" and "C.I.S" needed to accomplish the task?

Superman doesn't have the ability to smash Mjolnir, plain and simple. That statement was simply silly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
sly
What do you mean he would have all the "P.I.S" and "C.I.S" needed to accomplish the task?

T-Vo, counter-vibrations, super sneeze, speedblitz, motherbox, Krytonian tech, etc.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
If that is the case we could as well throw in WM Thor and King Thor feats into the fray.

And KC Supes and PC Supes feats as well.

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Current Thor, is simply Classic Thor, with an amp. His feats as Classic Thor still apply. He can do what he did as Classic Thor, except this time easier. Using something such as his feats as King Thor or Rune King Thor, would be incorrect. In those incarnations he is more powerful and could not accomplish now, what he did then. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Completely faulty analogy. Pre-Crisis Superman and Kingdom Come Superman, are from completely different Universes, and time lines.

Current Superman is back in his classic levels, if not nearly.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
T-Vo, counter-vibrations, super sneeze, speedblitz, etc.

eer

That is your justification for saying Superman will smash Mjolnir.

In your mind, do you picture Thor, setting Mjolnir down, walking away, and telling Superman, "Have it. Do your best at destroying it"?

Not that he could and those would work.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Current Superman is back in his classic levels, if not nearly.

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So because in your "opinion", you believe Superman is back at his Pre-Crisis levels, that means we can validate and use his feats as Pre-Crisis Superman, such as his sneeze destroying a Solar System etc.?

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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That is your justification for saying Superman will smash Mjolnir.

In your mind, do you picture Thor, setting Mjolnir down, walking away, and telling Superman, "Have it. Do your best at destroying it"?

Not that he could and those would work.


Those are just some possible PIS/CIS tactics that the writers will employ for Superman to win.

And I jest anyway 😂

Thor does win.

Originally posted by Raoul
guys, comparing thor to hulk is pointless in this thread. please leave it alone.
Fine, I'll respond to them in the Hulk/Thor thread.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Well, we know for a fact that Mjolnir can be damaged.

And DC's poster boy will have all the PIS/CIS needed to succeed in accomplishing that.

Not by the likes of Superman.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
If that is the case we could as well throw in WM Thor and King Thor feats into the fray.

And KC Supes and PC Supes feats as well.

No.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Those are just some possible PIS/CIS tactics that the writers will employ for Superman to win.

And I jest anyway 😂

Thor does win.

Thor can handle it. Any writer than has Thor job to Superman isn't a good one.

Good.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Not by the likes of Superman.

No.

👆

Well Thor just got his Mjolnir repaired, but lost his Odinpower

So I said Superman just edges him out

Superman smashing Mjolnir?? As much as I like Supes over Thor, I don't see this happening.

He doesn't have to smash Mjolnir to beat Thor. Just like you don't have to break Wolverine's adamantium bones to beat him