Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by kgkg
Your realize that this doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that if they fought zero times Thor would win 1000 of those fights?

LOL, I was just throwing out numbers, wasnt being serious.

Originally posted by carver9
I just read your bottom post. Yes, I read that issue PLENTY of times but let me get down to the bottom which started the fight.

It all started because lois was dying. Earth2 Superman was holding her in his arms and talking to her before her death. As soon as she died, Earth2 Supes screams out in pain and Superman from his mainstream earth hears the scream and takes off to see who or what it was that was screaming so loud. He gets there and see E2 Supes on the ground mourning his wifes death. Mainstream Supes tries to talk to him but E2 supes is in a rage due to his wife passing and he attacks.

Do I need to keep going. I read Superman A LOT, I work in a comic book store as a manager.

Dont tell me that I dont know about comics when I do. How about you tell me one issue of a thor comic.

Yes you need to keep going on. First the fight went through more then one issue. Can you tell me how many issues and their numbers? 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He didn't "embrace" it until then and probably spent a lot of time subconsciously blocking access to it, but it was amping him discernibly almost immediately after Odin died. I don't have the scans, but his fight with Ulik (the next issue or two after Odin and Surtur die) illustrates this.

And that's why I asked 😄. Thanks for clearing this up.

And DarkOdin, nevermind I do belive that you though to be correct.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He didn't "embrace" it until then and probably spent a lot of time subconsciously blocking access to it, but it was amping him discernibly almost immediately after Odin died. I don't have the scans, but his fight with Ulik (the next issue or two after Odin and Surtur die) illustrates this.

It's true that Thor knocks him out quicker than ever before, but that could just as well be because he was pissed. Ulik was talking crap about his dead father 😐

^ I can post scans later. It's pretty clear why he curbstomped Ulik. And it isn't the only instance before the confrontation with the Gardener entity.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I can post scans later. It's pretty clear why he curbstomped Ulik. And it isn't the only instance before the confrontation with the Gardener entity.

I have the comic right here. Ulik goes on about how he'll put Thor's head on his axe and so on. Calling him an Asgardian dog and whatnot. There's no doubt that Thor is performing much better than he normally would. But it's Ulik. This is a guy Thor -can- one shot when bloodlusted.

^ I'll just post the scans later.

And the focus on the Gardener fight is directly relevant to the original inquiry. Thor had access to the Odinpower before then. He didn't completely cut himself off from it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'll just post the scans later.

And the focus on the Gardener fight is directly relevant to the original inquiry. Thor had access to the Odinpower before then. He didn't completely cut himself off from it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You'll lose this battle. You don't even know how it works around here and you've been here for years.

Just because an entry is in a handbook doesn't mean it is false.
If someone offers evidence from a handbook then it is valid as long as it doesn't contradict comic evidence.

Where do you think we even get the term 'class 100' from?

Lastly,
If we are not to use real science either or assume writers didn't know how much stuff weighs and how much force it takes to accomplish a feat then who's to say that Thor, Hulk, etc. are class 100 beings?

^ According to bios/handbook entries, Doom's armor runs on a 75 gb computer. Seriously... handbooks = 👇.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Some of us think he used his innate magical abilities, and not the Odinforce.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just because an entry is in a handbook doesn't mean it is false.
If someone offers evidence from a handbook then it is valid as long as it doesn't contradict comic evidence.

Where do you think we even get the term 'class 100' from?

Lastly,
If we are not to use real science either or assume writers didn't know how much stuff weighs and how much force it takes to accomplish a feat then who's to say that Thor, Hulk, etc. are class 100 beings?

How about you show me some scans equaling or surpassing the ones I've shown you in regards to hitting power.

Originally posted by carver9
Now tracks and H1A8, I dont want to be putting this up for nothing. You asked for striking power and I'm going to give it to you BUT I want you to do the same thing for me. Show me some scans of some STRIKING POWER similar or better.

Here ya go.

Thor hits the ground so hard that it opens a dimension to helas gate.

http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/?action=view&current=BreaksIntoHell1.jpg
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/?action=view&current=BreaksIntoHell2.jpg

H1A8, this is mainly for you since you asked for it but tracks, you can look at it also.

Thor destroying a moon with hits while fighting gardner.

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/?action=view&current=ThorvsGardner9.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/?action=view&current=ThorvsGardner8.jpg

You're turn.

The first scans are unquantifiable and magic was used (not striking power). For example, what would a equally strong enraged Hulk do if he just had an indestructible hammer? Nothing, for it was the magic that opened the portal not the striking force.

The latter scans mention Thor with the Odin force. I fail to see a normal Thor destroy a moon with a blow.

As for Superman, you already seen the scans where Lex Luthor becomes president. Superman flies to saturn's moon in a few minutes and busts it in rage. Superman destroying the shadow moon (a moon far more durable than a normal moon). Superman casually hitting Lobo (a 1600lb being) not only in space but with speed so great that AFTER entering space Lobo went through several thick and highly durable alien ship walls like a bullet through tissue paper. Most beings that are hit into space stop (perpendicular velocity slowed to 0). Superman with pure power (no magic) hit E2 Superman and was altering realities and dimensions. Superman claiming to shatter planets with his punches when fighting some very powerful being.

Originally posted by h1a8
As for Superman, you already seen the scans where Lex Luthor becomes president. Superman flies to saturn's moon in a few minutes and busts it in rage. Superman destroying the shadow moon (a moon far more durable than a normal moon). Superman casually hitting Lobo (a 1600lb being) not only in space but with speed so great that AFTER entering space Lobo went through several thick and highly durable alien ship walls like a bullet through tissue paper. Most beings that are hit into space stop (perpendicular velocity slowed to 0). Superman with pure power (no magic) hit E2 Superman and was altering realities and dimensions. Superman claiming to shatter planets with his punches when fighting some very powerful being.

Also, there has been much discussion concerning the Infinite Crisis fight between the Supermen. It's almost as impressive as two Thor's creating shockwaves across all planes of reality. Also, Thor has claimed to have shattered planets. And Beta Ray Bill (for argumentative purposes here being Thor's equal), has actually blown apart planets. So... really?

Originally posted by h1a8
The first scans are unquantifiable and magic was used (not striking power). For example, what would a equally strong enraged Hulk do if he just had an indestructible hammer? Nothing, for it was the magic that opened the portal not the striking force.

The latter scans mention Thor with the Odin force. I fail to see a normal Thor destroy a moon with a blow.

As for Superman, you already seen the scans where Lex Luthor becomes president. Superman flies to saturn's moon in a few minutes and busts it in rage. Superman destroying the shadow moon (a moon far more durable than a normal moon). Superman casually hitting Lobo (a 1600lb being) not only in space but with speed so great that AFTER entering space Lobo went through several thick and highly durable alien ship walls like a bullet through tissue paper. Most beings that are hit into space stop (perpendicular velocity slowed to 0). Superman with pure power (no magic) hit E2 Superman and was altering realities and dimensions. Superman claiming to shatter planets with his punches when fighting some very powerful being.

You see h1, this is where we always tend to bump heads.

I agree, he flew THROUGH saturn moon but thats not a moon or planet destroying feat, thats just superman flying through a moon which is basically a durability feat.

Superman destroying the shadow moon? 1st thing, the moon had the same mass as earth moon; it was an identical copy. 2nd, Superman had to accelerate his speed in order to do it (couldnt do it under his own strength). 3rd, he almost died from that feat that you keep bringing up.

I showed you binary hittting rogue into space. Hell, I can post a scan of gorgon almost duplicating the same feat (when he kicked wolverine) and gorgon (black bolts gorgon) is a class 90.

You must didnt read the comic that featured E2 Superman? That wasnt Supes that was altering reality; I dont want to ruin it for you but I'm going to say that someone very smart had a part in the altering reality feat. It'll be good for you to buy the comic to find out who but E2 Superman and mainstream Superman fight did nothing but destroy a building.

Cyclops has claimed that he can destroy planets with his blast. Do you believe him. Gladiator has been called the most powerful being in the universe. Do you believe that?

Its called hyperbole.

And calling BRB Thor's equal is being -very- nice to BRB.

too nice

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And calling BRB Thor's equal is being -very- nice to BRB.

odd, coming from someone who said this...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
[b]Kris Blaze's Official Post #3

Beta Ray Thor

First I’ll explain how Bill actually becomes Thor whenever he wields his hammer. It’s not an interpretation, it’s just how it has been portrayed in the comics. It even says so right on the hammer, whoever is worthy shall possess the power of Thor. He obtains the physical properties of good ol’ Thor. Except for a set of beautiful hair and a handsome Norwegian’s face.

[/B]

Yes.

Fortunately there's more to being Thor than having his physical properties. Thor's better with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yes.

Fortunately there's more to being Thor than having his physical properties. Thor's better with Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And calling BRB Thor's equal is being -very- nice to BRB.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Remember, "for argumentative purposes."

Originally posted by Starscream M
You said BRB BECOMES Thor. That's more than just having his physical properties.