Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
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I can't believe you posted that fight. Isn't that the same fight where Superman struggled catching her going shy of above the speed of sound? What's the issue number?

You stated that it was said that Superman Blue was slower. Where was that said? And that wasn't a blitz. He tied her up while she was still on the ground stunned.

You have terrible reading comprehension. That's all.

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI...Superman clearly has the speed edge here and anyone denying it is half retarded. I honestly believe he could land the first five hits before Thor got off an attack but you have plenty of Superman speed showings to use, so why use scans for a different Superman as an argument? You clearly have the advantage when it comes to Superman speed vs Thor reaction, why not take advantage of that instead of using debatable scans? Doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Badabing
Rao and Quan, we're beyond warnings and temp bans. I'm going to kill you both, to death, until you die from being beaten to lifelessness.

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
So? The basic concept was the same, Superman was faster than Energy Superman/his counterparts.

You have terrible reading comprehension. That's all.
So, you're butthurt that Superman can fight at FTL speed. Gotcha.

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Based off fts, she isn't comparable to Blue Superman. Wait a minute, didn't this same Supes show up during Imperiex?

You haven't provided a shed of proof yet. Stop using a different Superman to help you win a debate. Why can't you use Blue and Red Supes? Is it really that difficult? I think I know why.

Yeah, based on her feats Strange Visitor was actually more powerful than Electric Superman as she was an avatar of Kismet. And that Superman was Superman merged with Strange Visitor's power.

Why would I discard such an awesome feat when I know the version of Superman who did it was slower than main version of Superman? Don't be obtuse.

And I have provided enough proof already. But I know it hurts you physically so you would never accept it. That's fine, nobody cares about what you think especially concerning Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, based on her feats Strange Visitor was actually more powerful than Electric Superman as she was an avatar of Kismet. And that Superman was Superman merged with Strange Visitor's power.

Why would I discard such an awesome feat when I know the version of Superman who did it was slower than main version of Superman? Don't be obtuse.

And I have provided enough proof already. But I know it hurts you physically so you would never accept it. That's fine, nobody cares about what you think especially concerning Superman.

You're wrong though and if this is the same Supes that appeared during the Imperiex saga then that sheds even more light on what I am saying since he was able to not only pierce Imperiex with a blitz but also survive his detonation. Remember, casual shock wave blast from Imperiex almost killed Superman if it wasn't for Darkseid. You're reaching ABHI.

What proof did you provide on standard Supes being faster? Providing partial scans of Blue Superman having problems steering?

Originally posted by Badabing
You two...facepalm

What happened to the truce?

Meh!

We are like the middle east.

Besides the truce was for humanitarian reasons, he was getting destroyed and I have a heart, I felt kind of merciful that day

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
IYO.

IMO he moves at those kind of speeds consistently given his record against High Herald level speedsters.

No he's not. Don't troll me.

No where in your scan did I see it quantified that Iron Fist reacted and moved within a few microseconds.

LOL You never seen Thor taking punches from Hercules, Hulk, Gladiator, Sentry e.t.c.

Heck he's taken hits from Thanos.

They are all Planet Busters. He can tank plenty of those punches.

So I see you have no feat of Superman doing such a combo of Planet Busting punches within nanoseconds 👆

None of those guys are planet busters.

And why would punching someone using a faster arm speed result in a lower force? Superman doesn't have to hit him a dozen times in succession. Just once at a time.
Hit Thor once to rock the shit out of him, making him drop the hammer. Then hit him again before he makes an action.

Fighting heralds that possess speed doesn't prove anything if those heralds failed to use their speed. Otherwise any character that faced a herald (colossus, thing, etc) would be able to deal with Superman's speed since the heralds they faced didn't beat them by out speeding them.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

More of NOTHING I see.

KMC, I now present to you

DARTH POWER vs DARTH POWER

THE 95% CLAIM

"Right so now the likes of Teleportation and Transmutation are 95% of Thor's power, even as your about to claim that Thor ALWAYS BRAWLS"-Darth Power

VS

You claimed Thor without Mjolnir loses 95% of his offensive and defensive powers. Do I need to post your quote?-Darth Power

First, he attributes a statement to me about transmutation and teleportation being 95% of Thor's power. He then uses my ACTUAL statement as a means of proving I'M MISTAKEN.

To make it sweeter he THREATENS to use my quote against me.

Priceless. 😂

Lets see more of the schizophrenic stylings of, DARTH POWER!

CIS Thor vs CIS Superman

Really? So he brawled here against Thanos before Unleashing his full power right?:-Darth Power

He also went in full power first throwing Mjolnir at The Destroyer in one fight.

Also the point you also don't seem to get through that thick skull of your bringing up fighting "in character" is that Superman "in character" isn't going to go for a full on Speed Blitz right from the onset of the fight.

Darth power brings up an overwhelming TWO instances of Thor to establish the standard for the character and refute my claim he is a brawler.

Conversely, the numerous instances of Superman blitzing is dismissed as an abberation and exaggeration.

Lets try this.

Since I've NEVER read a Thor comic in my life, you can lead the way.

Show me where standard Thor operates the way you present him under these writers on average.

Defalco
Fraction
Jurgens
Simonson
Waid

Better yet, YOU pick the writer and show me these instances of Non Brawler Thor that are so numerous" You can hardly count".

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI...Superman clearly has the speed edge here and anyone denying it is half retarded. I honestly believe he could land the first five hits before Thor got off an attack

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Yeah I see it happening the way it happened in the Thor vs Shazam fight in that DC vs Marvel from the 90's.

Not that it will end like that fight, but the way it began was spot on for a faithful Thor vs Supes comic book battle IMO- Cap. M bullrushed Thor and got in the first few punches before Thor was able to hit him back.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Since I've NEVER read a Thor comic in my life

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There we have it. Open and shut case.

And despite that fact, I STILL, ANNIHILATED, ODG!

Operator merely destroyed the remnants!

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Meh!

We are like the middle east.

Besides the truce was for humanitarian reasons, he was getting destroyed and I have a heart, I felt kind of merciful that day

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Show me where standard Thor operates the way you present him under these writers on average.

Defalco
Fraction
Jurgens
Simonson
Waid

Defalco wrote the only real incident where regular Thor wanted to kill someone, and he used absorption to do it...

Jurgens wrote King Thor...

Waid barely wrote anything...

Fraction wrote a Thor who stalemated Surfer, killed Serpent and beat amped wwh/thing, when he was dying from the tabula rasa wound, so he's beyond DP's average.

Simonson Thor *shrug* he's powerful...

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

Since I've NEVER read a Thor comic in my life, you can lead the way.

Originally posted by carver9
You're wrong though and if this is the same Supes that appeared during the Imperiex saga then that sheds even more light on what I am saying since he was able to not only pierce Imperiex with a blitz but also survive his detonation. Remember, casual shock wave blast from Imperiex almost killed Superman if it wasn't for Darkseid. You're reaching ABHI.

What proof did you provide on standard Supes being faster? Providing partial scans of Blue Superman having problems steering?

And Electric superman getting buttraped by Brainiac 13 while normal Superman blitzing B13 apart.

Originally posted by krisblaze
There we have it folks, clear out.

You've been gone for awhile so maybe you are unaware.

The House of El RUNS KMC.

I am the RULER of The House of El!

I'll let this comment go as an indiscretion on your part.

DON'T DO IT AGAIN!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've been gone for awhile so maybe you are unaware.

The House of El RUNS KMC.

I am the RULER of The House of El!

I'll let this comment go as an indiscretion on your part.

[B]DON'T DO IT AGAIN! [/B]

This is so funny, right?

Why not just leave this nonsense in the team/off-topic threads, where it belongs, and have a nice discussion here?

On to the discussion;

The average of most fighters under those writers is not the average of Thor fighting at the best of his ability. Oftentimes he's fighting people far below him or far above him. I don't see what good it is trying to find an average between fighting galactus and the puma, what average would that be?

Defalco wrote a lot of masterson Thor, and not ordinary Thor, but he was the one who had Thor use absorption to kill someone. Which also subsequently explains why Thor can't risk killing anyone. There's not just the enchantment, but also Odin.

Fraction's Thor was powerful.

Jurgens also wrote a fairly powerful Thor, but most of his stuff got caught up in the reigning and King Thor where he had the Odinforce.

Waid wrote like 2 issues, I don't see what he has to say on the issue.

Simonson's Thor is the average Thor I suppose. He had a lot of high feats and low ones. Storytelling trumped consistency in power.

And Carver here is a direct comparison with Lightray.

Lightray says he's faster than Energy Superman and Highfather supports him. Blue didn't contradict him.

Just after one year doomsday wars happened and Superman made this comment. Both are under the same writer as was the feat where Superman Blue went FTL. Dan Jurgens.

Superman>Lightray>Superman Blue. Happy?

Originally posted by Delta1938

Look Einstein, I'm talking about when Gladiator actually KOs Thor. Looky here, the series of events.

Here, we see Mandy on ONE PANEL of the page. And not again for the rest of the page.

Here, we don't see Mandy at all while Gladiator is embarrassing Thor before Gladiator punches him in the face, KTFOing him.

Then we see Mandy again a fair distance away.

What part of Thor being at a disadvantage did you not understand? Forgive me because I'm going to repeat myself like a trained parrot for a majority of this post. Of course all in hopes so that I can hammer into your brain what I believe most people would take from what transpired.

Already early on we see Mandy in caught in the middle of their confrontation. She was literally caught in-between to the point that Gladiator put her in danger(more than once) and prompting Thor to keep her safe.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator05.jpg

Your point of even showing Mandy in "ONE PANEL" then getting away before Thor is taken out by Gladiator is irrelevant because it is clear from the onset of the fight, Thor always had Mandy's safety in mind. Furthermore we know from the story that Gladiator was out to kill.

Originally posted by Delta1938

So do you think Mandy was around when Thor was getting punched in the face? Seems she's a bit too far to argue Thor was distracted when he was getting punched in the face. Or the building thrown at him, even. The reason I'm not bothering with the "Thor was distracted" argument is the only time we actually see Mandy around is when Thor takes zero damage in the fight with Gladiator.

Originally posted by Delta1938

It's you who are dodging. This is not irrelevant at all. What's on-panel points Mandy wasn't around when Thor got owned. So, unless you're arguing that Mjolnir makes Thor more resistant to face-punching, then him knocking Mjolnir away is irrelevant. Hell, even if it does it's still stupid. Gladiator was fast enough to knock Mjolnir out and then away before one-shotting Thor. So the argument that he didn't have Mjolnir is kinda like arguing, "The only reason my fighter got knocked out is because your fighter punched him before he could react."

Originally posted by Delta1938

Yeah you keep throwing around Thor "holding back."

Originally posted by Delta1938

I'm making claims with no legs to stand on? First-off, here's a pic to show that Tarene and Gladiator are fighting.

This page shows the first panel, they're still fighting. Right by a truck.

The two pages after that are set in Asgard, so they're irrelevant to the fight. Here's the next page of the actual fight.

OH!! Looky here!! Gladiator is being slammed into a brick wall!! Yep, there was off-panel fighting. Thus we don't know how long they fought and how much damage Gladiator did. And who said I argued he was "weakened or weakening?" Have you ever heard of "accumulative damage?" Well, obviously not. Or you would've figured out my point. Let me tell you what it means.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accumulative

"growing or increasing over time"

Examples of ACCUMULATIVE

The accumulative effect of his injuries forced him to retire.
<the accumulative effect of all her worries was to seriously undermine her health>

So, yes, it matters, 'cuz, ya know, we know he actually took damage in his fight with Tarene, we see she HAS hit him. What we don't know is how many times.

Originally posted by Delta1938

You know nothing of fighting. That's all I need to say.

And yet, Thor took zero damage when we actually know Mandy was around, was KTFOed when Mandy wasn't.

Read above regarding willing to kill Gladiator and a disadvantaged Thor.

Originally posted by Delta1938

And how was it he was holding back? He wasn't mad? He wasn't using the full range of his powers. Well let me tell you kid, most heroes "hold back" unless they're mad. And Thor usually doesn't fight very smart. So either way, "holding back" is a pretty dumb argument.

Originally posted by Delta1938

No, it's relevant. Thor got his ass handed to him by Gladiator. Then he was saved by Mandy. Then Tarene. Then the black chick I can't remember the name of. Yet you keep clinging to "protecting Mandy!!" despite Thor took no damage when that was an actual factor, you leave-out that Tarene had been fighting him and fail to acknowledge that they had been fighting off-panel so we don't know how much damage Glads took.

Originally posted by Delta1938

And ya know what, Gladiator only needed one punch to KO Thor. Thor, on the other hand, needed to apparently sucker shot blast Gladiator, and hit him with several Mjolnir strikes when he was still getting up, AFTER Tarene had done an unknown amount of damage before-hand. And Thor was saved consecutively 3 times. And the House Of El is desperate? Or maybe.....I have better reading comprehension than you. nah I'm just "desperate."

A willing to kill Gladiator took out a holding back Thor with more than one blow. So no it wasn't one punch. 😮
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator06.jpg

And this is hardly a sucker shot as you are trying portray. Hell Thor outright announced his intentions unlike what Gladiator did before the plane scene as you will soon realize.
I like also how you this time did not argue the fact that Gladiator was not ko'd by Thor's assault and was ko'd instead by Tarene blast. Because frankly that was laughable.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator11.jpg

You keep harping about Thor cheap-shotting Gladiator, when Gladiator was the only one who administered what can only be considered a cheap-shot in every sense of the word. I mean he went for a kill shot on what was an unconscious Jake Olsen for crying out loud. Funny thing is we start to see the rumblings of a now serious Thor who ended up having Gladiator dead to rights until the plane came into the picture.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator07v235.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator08.jpg

House of El desperate?? Where did that come from? 😂 Hey you brought it up. My points were directed at you. Your automatic need to bring in your stable mates makes you look that much more desperate.

Originally posted by Delta1938

You could have any Marvel dickrider arguing with me, pounding at his keyboard creating a wall of text made-up of random letters and numbers, then under it go "You're wrong!!!111!1ONE1!oneONE1!" and Quanny would still quote it and go, "Owned."

Again going back to your original statement on Darth's scan...

Originally posted by Delta1938
And the Gladiator scan? So out of context. And Gladiator had previously kicked Thor's ass in the same story.

A willing to kill Gladiator was flat out wtpwned when Thor finally stopped holding back. A point you've tried to discredit with flimsy arguments.

You compounded your mistake with more claims like sucker-shotting Gladiator when clearly that was never the case.

And lastly Gladiator himself admitted defeat and acknowledged Thor's superior strength.

^ Gladiator didn't land any punches after Thor unloaded on him with mjolnir. What's so great about it? And Thor can't hold back his durability.

In other sense, a Gladiator who was weaker than Thor koed him in three punches. Superman is stronger than both Gladiator and Thor, and much more durable. Do the math.

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