Originally posted by krisblaze
What does this shit matter?We don't know how strong, fast or durable that Gladiator was.
It ain't regular 616 Gladiator, and Thor was clearly holding back.
🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Gladiator said Thor was stronger than him, ergo he was weaker than Thor. Weaker than Superman by default.🙂
I mean what does the fight matter?
We don't know the limits of that Gladiator's speed/strength, we only know that it's an older version of 616 Gladiator.
What we do know, however, is how his powers work. If Gladiator says that Thor is stronger, than he believes Thor to be stronger, ergo he will be.
Aaand we don't know whether Gladiator was talking about brute physical strength or overall formidability.
Originally posted by krisblaze
This is so funny, right?Why not just leave this nonsense in the team/off-topic threads, where it belongs, and have a nice discussion here?
On to the discussion;
The average of most fighters under those writers is not the average of Thor fighting at the best of his ability. Oftentimes he's fighting people far below him or far above him. I don't see what good it is trying to find an average between fighting galactus and the puma, what average would that be?
Defalco wrote a lot of masterson Thor, and not ordinary Thor, but he was the one who had Thor use absorption to kill someone. Which also subsequently explains why Thor can't risk killing anyone. There's not just the enchantment, but also Odin.
Fraction's Thor was powerful.
Jurgens also wrote a fairly powerful Thor, but most of his stuff got caught up in the reigning and King Thor where he had the Odinforce.
Waid wrote like 2 issues, I don't see what he has to say on the issue.
Simonson's Thor is the average Thor I suppose. He had a lot of high feats and low ones. Storytelling trumped consistency in power.
The POINT about referencing these and any other writers of Thor Darth Power wanted to use is the following.
Canon establishes Thor as a BRAWLER.
PERIOD.
When I made this characterization of Thor, Darth criticized it as an act of bias on my part.
In character Thor WILL try to overpower Superman physically FIRST.
Would you characterize Thor as a brawler?
P.S. It was as funny as your comment about my reading Thor comics!
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The POINT about referencing these and any other writers of Thor Darth Power wanted to use is the following.[B]Canon establishes Thor as a BRAWLER.
PERIOD.
When I made this characterization of Thor, Darth criticized it as an act of bias on my part.
In character Thor WILL try to overpower Superman physically FIRST.
Would you characterize Thor as a brawler?[/B]
If Thor's fighting against someone he doesn't know the power level of, then naturally he will start with a brawl.
But this argument works against Superman. There is no way Superman speedblitzes someone with a dozen planetbusters when he doesn't know how durable they are 😐
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
P.S. It was as funny as your comment about my reading Thor comics!
Yours was another irrelevant extension of some idiotic internet-persona.
Originally posted by krisblazeIf Thor's fighting against someone he doesn't know the power level of, then naturally [b]he will start with a brawl
.But this argument works against Superman. There is no way Superman speedblitzes someone with a dozen planetbusters when he doesn't know how durable they are 😐
[/B]
Precisely the point I've been trying to get across. But watch as he'll just troll around it.
Originally posted by krisblaze
And like I commented, Thor doesn't necessarily brawl when he's fighting to the best of his abilities.If Thor's fighting against someone he doesn't know the power level of, then naturally [b]he will start with a brawl
.But this argument works against Superman. There is no way Superman speedblitzes someone with a dozen planetbusters when he doesn't know how durable they are 😐
Well, mine was related to the quality of your insight into Thor and his capabilities.
Yours was another irrelevant extension of some idiotic internet-persona. [/B]
My persona is as idiotic as your appraisal of this fight.
Thor's propensity to BRAWL first is less likely than Superman's tendency to speedblitz according to you.
Asinine.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
My persona is as idiotic as your appraisal of this fight.Thor's propensity to BRAWL first is less likely than Superman's tendency to speedblitz according to you.
Asinine.
My appraisal? This fight is worth about as much as you are, nothing.
Did I say that Superman wouldn't blitz? No.
I said that Superman wouldn't blitzing anyone with planet-busting punches, especially when he doesn't know how durable they are.
If he hits Thor at his 100x lightspeed then he won't have time to survey any of the damage and gauge Thor's durability.
Originally posted by krisblaze
My appraisal? This fight is worth about as much as you are, nothing.Did I say that Superman wouldn't blitz? No.
I said that Superman wouldn't blitzing anyone with planet-busting punches, especially when he doesn't know how durable they are.
If he hits Thor at his 100x lightspeed then he won't have time to survey any of the damage and gauge Thor's durability.
Why would Superman need to blitz Thor with "Planet-busting punches"?
Thor has been defeated by a lot less consistently.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Why would Superman need to blitz Thor with "Planet-busting punches"?Thor has been defeated by a lot less consistently.
And he's withstood more.
Now. How would Superman blitz Thor when Superman doesn't kill someone, and doesn't know how durable Thor is?
Originally posted by krisblaze
Not when fighting at the best of his ability.And he's withstood more.
Now. How would Superman blitz Thor when Superman doesn't kill someone, and doesn't know how durable Thor is?
I will take a different approach.
What does Prime Thor(CIS on), fighting to the best of his ability look like?
We will go from there.
Originally posted by krisblaze
You didn't answer my question.
I could better answer your question if you had given me the characterization of Thor that works best for this fight.
Nevertheless.
Superman's speed advantage is so great he doesn't need to blitz. He lands at least 4 or 5 punches before Thor can respond. To avoid any claims of "Lowballing" we'll allow the Odinson to tank them.
Thor lands some offense and thereby indicates to Superman he can ramp up his attacks in response. After that, the battle is over.
Superman can amp his speed faster than Thor can respond. When you combine that with his superior strength, Clark wins.
Whether the blitz comes initially or after the first exchange the result will be the same.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman's speed advantage is so great he doesn't need to blitz. He lands at least 4 or 5 punches before Thor can respond. To avoid any claims of "Lowballing" we'll allow the Odinson to tank them.
How hard would Superman hit here? You claim that Superman's initial 4-5 punches would take out Thor.
Then Superman would have to hit harder than an significantly enraged Hulk, Pluto, Zeus, Hercules, etc.
How hard do you think Superman would hit someone whose durability he doesn't know?
Originally posted by krisblaze
This is what I'm talking about. 'You'll allow him to tank it'.How hard would Superman hit here? You claim that Superman's initial 4-5 punches would take out Thor.
Then Superman would have to hit harder than an significantly enraged Hulk, Pluto, Zeus, Hercules, etc.
How hard do you think Superman would hit someone whose durability he doesn't know?
Pick a Thor from a run or an arc so we can get a gauge.
Nefaria and Gladiator KO'd Thor with less.
As stated, if Thor survives the first barrage, he won't absorb the second.
How is Thor overcoming Superman's speed and strength?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Pick a Thor from a run or an arc so we can get a gauge.Nefaria and Gladiator KO'd Thor with less.
As stated, if Thor survives the first barrage, he won't absorb the second.
How is Thor overcoming Superman's speed and strength?
Gladiator
a) That was Earth-3515 Gladiator.
b) Thor doesn't have the Mjolnir 60 second thing.
c) Thor was holding back.
Nefaria
a) Thor was never KO'd by Nefaria.
b) It was a Thor that Korvac teleported through time.
c) Thor always holds back when he's with the Avengers.
Is that how hard Superman will hit Thor? As hard as Gladiator and Nefaria when they're trying to kill him?
Superman's going to hit Thor, whose durability he doesn't know, as hard as those guys?
If you want my stance on the fight, you can go back and read what I post years ago. I'm trying to sort out how hard you think Superman's going to punch Thor, whose durability he doesn't know, when the fight starts.