Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your not very smart are you?

I never once claimed Thor can teleport or use EVERY ABILITY without Mjolnir. I claimed the power is his, Mjolnir is a tool.

I claimed even without Mjolnir he's not helpless at all, because he can still control the weather, still has the same strength, can still do his Omni-Blasts, heck he can still amp his punches with Lightning.

And I find it hilarious that you're even contemplating that Superman is going to separate Thor from Mjolnir, simply because Gladiator (A GLADIATOR FROM THE FUTURE OF UNKNOWN POWER LEVELS) was able to do it when Thor was distracted with protecting an innocent.

Keep looking at this picture, and keep reading the last panel until it sinks into your head:

Tell me did you see Thor use a godblast? No? Ok. How about a Soul Drain? No. Did he try to shrink him like he did Hyperion or change his molecular structure in any other way? No? Well Ok those are really rare powers which he'l only use in the most desperate of circumstances.

How about the powers he used more commonly? How about a simple energy drain? No? Not even that? Ok how about an attempted BFR by teleporting him off somewhere? Like he did against The Destroyer? No? Not even that?

Right how about the power of a thousand worlds added to a blast of Anti-Force like he did to Thanos and The Destroyer?

What not even that? How about just an Anti-Force bolt added to his Lightning? No?

Thor almost always holds back against Mortals, and only unleashes his true power against Powerful Immortals like Thanos, Destroyer, Galactus.

Superman would likely qualify as he's generally also considered an immortal, and is after all even stronger than Thor. Definitely at the very least Thor would unleash the power of a thousand worlds on him as well as his most powerful Anti-Force Blast, and if he absorbs any of his freeze breath/HV, then he will also amplify it's power and shoot that back at him too.

So much to crush and so little time!

I'm a "Loser", eh.

Having to resort to ad hominems is ALWAYS a sign someone is losing a debate. 😎

1) Gladiator's power Levels- What we DO know for a fact is that the Kallark depicted there is CLEARLY weaker than Superman. Any rational person can concede that point.

If, AGAIN, an inferior Superman can rob Thor of his greatest asset with ease, certaintly Clark can replicate the feat.

2) Thor, The God of Restraint- In both the Gladiator and Count Nefaria battles you attribute Thor's performance to his relcutance to cut loose. We've been through the Gladiator fight.

Lets get to Nefaria.

At this point Nefaria is clearly hellbent on MURDERING the Avengers. For all Thor knows given the carnage, he has succeded. NEVERTHELESS, Darth Power would have us believe Thor is holding back!

So, Darth Power can explain exactly why Thor's display here makes sense in terms of refraining from using his FULL power.

Here is my answer..

Nefaria's SUPERIOR speed, strength and invulnerability didn't ALLOW the Odinson to do anything else

With Mjolnir AND help, the Odinson got trounced by a Superman analogue!

3) Helpless without Mjolnir- The Odinson doesn't have to be "Helpless" without Mjolnir. I never made that assertion. What he is without Mjolnir is a Thunder god robbed of 95% of the offensive/defensive abilities that give him a legitimate chance of winning.

Superman can handle both Orion and Captain Marvel, 2 beings with superior speed and strength to Thor.

Thor gets humbled without the hammer!

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Cheerleading

Thor wins by the way, weakling.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can see the House Of El have got truly desperate now. Using Gladiator (a Gladiator of unknown strength, speed and power mind you) beating Thor when Thor has clearly stated he was holding back.

I think you all need another reminder of what happened when Thor stopped holding back:

Looks like Twisting and Lowballing is all The House of El has at this point.

What desperation? The part where you show the scan out of context and cling to "Thor holding back!!" and fail to answer what "holding back" means? Oh the irony that I'm the one twisting and lowballing.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm
Not sure whether you are refusing to understand or just don't. Thor was at a disadvantage since we have him fighting back while protecting Manday's safety. Correct?

Look Einstein, I'm talking about when Gladiator actually KOs Thor. Looky here, the series of events.

Here, we see Mandy on ONE PANEL of the page. And not again for the rest of the page.

Here, we don't see Mandy at all while Gladiator is embarrassing Thor before Gladiator punches him in the face, KTFOing him.

Then we see Mandy again a fair distance away.

So do you think Mandy was around when Thor was getting punched in the face? Seems she's a bit too far to argue Thor was distracted when he was getting punched in the face. Or the building thrown at him, even. The reason I'm not bothering with the "Thor was distracted" argument is the only time we actually see Mandy around is when Thor takes zero damage in the fight with Gladiator.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Here you go again asking questions that are irrelevant. The reason I even quoted you from the beginning is because you were so adamant about context. Yet when context is given to you about your original short sighted statement, you start dodging. Here again your original statement.

It's you who are dodging. This is not irrelevant at all. What's on-panel points Mandy wasn't around when Thor got owned. So, unless you're arguing that Mjolnir makes Thor more resistant to face-punching, then him knocking Mjolnir away is irrelevant. Hell, even if it does it's still stupid. Gladiator was fast enough to knock Mjolnir out and then away before one-shotting Thor. So the argument that he didn't have Mjolnir is kinda like arguing, "The only reason my fighter got knocked out is because your fighter punched him before he could react."

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Darth's scan of showing what happened to Gladz after a no longer holding back Thor is perfectly clear. Your claims of it being so out of context just wreaks of attempt to lowball.

Yeah you keep throwing around Thor "holding back."

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again you're making claims which have no legs to stand on. Even if there were off-panel shenanigans, it still doesn't change the fact that it was a brief encounter. Nothing of significance happened. Nowhere in that book was it indicated that Gladz was weakened or weakening. Because let's face it that's where you're going with this.

I'm making claims with no legs to stand on? First-off, here's a pic to show that Tarene and Gladiator are fighting.

This page shows the first panel, they're still fighting. Right by a truck.

The two pages after that are set in Asgard, so they're irrelevant to the fight. Here's the next page of the actual fight.

OH!! Looky here!! Gladiator is being slammed into a brick wall!! Yep, there was off-panel fighting. Thus we don't know how long they fought and how much damage Gladiator did. And who said I argued he was "weakened or weakening?" Have you ever heard of "accumulative damage?" Well, obviously not. Or you would've figured out my point. Let me tell you what it means.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accumulative

"growing or increasing over time"

Examples of ACCUMULATIVE

The accumulative effect of his injuries forced him to retire.
<the accumulative effect of all her worries was to seriously undermine her health>

So, yes, it matters, 'cuz, ya know, we know he actually took damage in his fight with Tarene, we see she HAS hit him. What we don't know is how many times.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wow! Should I even dignify this response? This is just pathetic. He ate multiple Mjolnir sandwiches. If someone has to point out to you he was KO'd in that scene then you need help.

You know nothing of fighting. That's all I need to say.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dude quit it with the red herrings. That doesn't matter. The fight began with Thor being protective while Gladiator was out to kill. Gladz even endangered the girl's life and Thor was forced to save her. Thor was at a disadvantage. Period.

And yet, Thor took zero damage when we actually know Mandy was around, was KTFOed when Mandy wasn't.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maybe because the phukkin comic said so. Maybe??? Seriously...

And how was it he was holding back? He wasn't mad? He wasn't using the full range of his powers. Well let me tell you kid, most heroes "hold back" unless they're mad. And Thor usually doesn't fight very smart. So either way, "holding back" is a pretty dumb argument.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
More red herrings.

I sense desperation here because none of my main points were not properly addressed.

Again the comic outright states Thor was holding back. When he stopped, he stomped.

The comic also flat out has Gladiator admitting defeat and stating that Thor is too strong.

Now anything brought up about the fight that can't clearly lessen those two facts is flat out lowballing.

No, it's relevant. Thor got his ass handed to him by Gladiator. Then he was saved by Mandy. Then Tarene. Then the black chick I can't remember the name of. Yet you keep clinging to "protecting Mandy!!" despite Thor took no damage when that was an actual factor, you leave-out that Tarene had been fighting him and fail to acknowledge that they had been fighting off-panel so we don't know how much damage Glads took.

And ya know what, Gladiator only needed one punch to KO Thor. Thor, on the other hand, needed to apparently sucker shot blast Gladiator, and hit him with several Mjolnir strikes when he was still getting up, AFTER Tarene had done an unknown amount of damage before-hand. And Thor was saved consecutively 3 times. And the House Of El is desperate? Or maybe.....I have better reading comprehension than you. nah I'm just "desperate."

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Cheerleading

You could have any Marvel dickrider arguing with me, pounding at his keyboard creating a wall of text made-up of random letters and numbers, then under it go "You're wrong!!!111!1ONE1!oneONE1!" and Quanny would still quote it and go, "Owned."

Originally posted by Bentley
Finally, you guys realized your strength is at cheerleading, not debating g_grin

That's been the case for a while from them both.

To show how much faster Superman is than a microsecond level being.

A microsecond is like hours to him. He attacks at FTL speed and even though its energy Superman, he was stated to be slower than real Superman. In fact they had to take tests if he even was as fast as his older self.

That's damn faster than nanosecond level reaction feat.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

Having to resort to ad hominems is ALWAYS a sign someone is losing a debate. 😎

Sure pal. Now let's see if you've upped your game yet.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) [B]Gladiator's power Levels- What we DO know for a fact is that the Kallark depicted there is CLEARLY weaker than Superman. Any rational person can concede that point.
If, AGAIN, an inferior Superman can rob Thor of his greatest asset with ease, certaintly Clark can replicate the feat.[/B]

Why? Because he was weaker than Thor?

So let me get this straight.. Because This version of Gladiator was weaker then Thor, that makes him weaker than Superman, so that means Superman beats Thor.

Yeah no, you've not upped your game in the slightest.

Thor battered this version of Gladiator once he stopped holding back., so you have no legitimate argument from this fight to say Superman beats Thor.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2) [B]Thor, The God of Restraint- In both the Gladiator and Count Nefaria battles you attribute Thor's performance to his relcutance to cut loose. We've been through the Gladiator fight.[/B]

LOL HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST YOU THE SCAN UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY READ IT?

BOTTOM RIGHT HAND PANEL THOR SAYS HE'S CAN NO LONGER HOLD BACK AS HE'S BATTERING GLADIATOR. WILL CAPITAL LETTERS HELP YOU TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE EASY TO UNDERSTAND FACT?

Probably not.

You've lost this debate and your just trolling me now. Anyone whose not biased can see that. So Just stop Trolling and GTFO here.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Lets get to Nefaria.

At this point Nefaria is clearly hellbent on MURDERING the Avengers. For all Thor knows given the carnage, he has succeded. NEVERTHELESS, Darth Power would have us believe Thor is holding back!

So, Darth Power can explain exactly why Thor's display here makes sense in terms of refraining from using his FULL power.

He clearly didn't unleash his full power. If he did then where was the Anti-Force Blast added to the power of a thousand worlds like he unleashed on Thanos and The Destroyer?

If you ever read Thor comics then you would know that unleashing his full power puts civilians (and even other superheroes) at risk. He was destroying the planet when he unleashed that power on Thanos, and he was destroying the whole surrounding area when he unleashed it on The Destroyer. Only the Scarlet Witch was able to protect the other Avengers with a spell when he was unleashing that power on the Destroyer.

Let's not even get into godblasts. That would just be beyond Count Nefaria, and would certainly lay the smack down on Supes, if not outright kill him.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Here is my answer..

[B] Nefaria's SUPERIOR speed, strength and invulnerability didn't ALLOW the Odinson to do anything else

With Mjolnir AND help, the Odinson got trounced by a Superman analogue! [/B]

LOL The standard Superfan answer. Nothing can be done against speed. Of course that all changes in Superman vs The Flash threads.

Thor was laying Lightning blasts and Mjolnir strikes on Count Nefaria. So he certainly had the opportunity to land whatever blasts he wanted.

The power of a thousand worlds would instantaneously begin to slow Gladiator, Nefaria or Superman down.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
3) [B]Helpless without Mjolnir- The Odinson doesn't have to be "Helpless" without Mjolnir. I never made that assertion. What he is without Mjolnir is a Thunder god robbed of 95% of the offensive/defensive abilities that give him a legitimate chance of winning. [/B]

This 95% bull crap again?

You know nothing about Thor at all.

Imagine Hercules given the powers of Storm. Then imagine those Storm powers mutiplied by a thousand and magically enhanced.

Then you will just begin to picture what a Mjolnir-less Thor would be like.

Not that it matters, because unless Superman is endangering Civilains, and Thor can't go all out, he's not seperating Thor from Mjolnir for more than 5 seconds, if at all.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]Superman can handle both Orion and Captain Marvel, 2 beings with superior speed and strength to Thor.

Thor gets humbled without the hammer! [/B]

Keep dreaming.

Originally posted by Badabing
Take your pwning from LoB like a man!

I'm trying, I'm trying..

But he just brings out the childish little kid in me.

Superman 7-8/10.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sure pal. Now let's see if you've upped your game yet.

Why? Because he was weaker than Thor?

So let me get this straight.. Because This version of Gladiator was weaker then Thor, that makes him weaker than Superman, so that means Superman beats Thor.

Yeah no, you've not upped your game in the slightest.

Thor battered this version of Gladiator once he stopped holding back., so you have no legitimate argument from this fight to say Superman beats Thor.

LOL HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO POST YOU THE SCAN UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY READ IT?

BOTTOM RIGHT HAND PANEL THOR SAYS HE'S CAN NO LONGER HOLD BACK AS HE'S BATTERING GLADIATOR. WILL CAPITAL LETTERS HELP YOU TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE EASY TO UNDERSTAND FACT?

Probably not.

You've lost this debate and your just trolling me now. Anyone whose not biased can see that. So Just stop Trolling and GTFO here.

He clearly didn't unleash his full power. If he did then where was the Anti-Force Blast added to the power of a thousand worlds like he unleashed on Thanos and The Destroyer?

If you ever read Thor comics then you would know that unleashing his full power puts civilians (and even other superheroes) at risk. He was destroying the planet when he unleashed that power on Thanos, and he was destroying the whole surrounding area when he unleashed it on The Destroyer. Only the Scarlet Witch was able to protect the other Avengers with a spell when he was unleashing that power on the Destroyer.

Let's not even get into godblasts. That would just be beyond Count Nefaria, and would certainly lay the smack down on Supes, if not outright kill him.

LOL The standard Superfan answer. Nothing can be done against speed. Of course that all changes in Superman vs The Flash threads.

Thor was laying Lightning blasts and Mjolnir strikes on Count Nefaria. So he certainly had the opportunity to land whatever blasts he wanted.

The power of a thousand worlds would instantaneously begin to slow Gladiator, Nefaria or Superman down.

This 95% bull crap again?

You know nothing about Thor at all.

Imagine Hercules given the powers of Storm. Then imagine those Storm powers mutiplied by a thousand and magically enhanced.

Then you will just begin to picture what a Mjolnir-less Thor would be like.

Not that it matters, because unless Superman is endangering Civilains, and Thor can't go all out, he's not seperating Thor from Mjolnir for more than 5 seconds, if at all.

Keep dreaming.

You have to cling to a single scan which says NOTHING about my point and you call that a WIN.

A victory for irrationality but certaintly not this debate.

1) Darth Power's Thor- What do both The Destroyer and Thanos lack in reference to Superman?

You often miss the point so I'll help.

SUPERSPEED

Time and again this has been brought up and you try to dismiss it.

Thor gets knocked out WITH Mjolnir.

Thor gets knocked out WITHOUT Mjolnir.

Superman analogues have already accomplished this feat.

How any rational person can look at the Thor vs Nefaria fight and think he "Held back" is a mystery.

Thor even even tried to BFR Nefaria but let us allow Darth to tell us otherwise.

2) 95%- SHOW. ME. WHERE. THOR. USES. TELEPORTATION. TRANSMUTATION. SOUL DRAINING. ENERGY DRAINING. ANTI-FORCE.

WITHOUT MJOLNIR.

JUST DO IT. SHOW ME.

SCANS. PERIOD!

As always I'm here to help.

MY claim of 95% of The Odinson's offensive and defensive abilities being linked to Mjolnir is......

CANON!

3) The Blonde Could have- I provide scans showing what ACTUALLY took place against Superman analogues.

Darth Power's, response

Yeah, (SNIFF) BUT , BUT, Thor could've....

He DIDN'T!

Thor failed to do so on more than one occasion indicating it is not an abberation.

4) Thor's canon VS Darth Power- Here is Darth Power's Thor.

1) A non Brawler
2) A hallmark of restraint
3) A character capable of a myriad of abilities OUTSIDE of elemental powers WITHOUT Mjolnir

B]THE ACTUAL THOR[/B]

1) A brawler
2) Willing to unleash once brute force and Mjolnir strikes fail
3) A character whose innate abilities are elemental in nature.

For those who actually have read Thor's canon (Unlike myself of course 😎) please tell us which one resembles the one CONSISTENTLY published by Marvel.

5) The Scan-You took a VERY, VERY, long time to get the point but it seems you have it now.

"Not that it matters, because unless Superman is endangering Civilains, and Thor can't go all out, he's not seperating Thor from Mjolnir for more than 5 seconds, if at all."

The point of the Gladiator scan was my showing how easy it would be for Superman to separate Thor from Mjolnir.

You can no longer claim ignorance.

P.S. He will keep posting the scan nonetheless!

Originally posted by h1a8
so throwing a punch slower somehow would strike harder than throwing a punch with a higher speed? That's ass backwards in logic.
Omniblasts are weaker than single concentrated blasts. The energy is spread out over a large area. Thor didn't do an omniblasts to Warlock and Surfer. He did a multidirectional blast. There was space between the lightning.

The multi-directional blast was powerful enough to rock Surfer and Warlock.

So if the Multi-Directional blast wasn't lacking power, there's no reason to assume the Omni-Blast will lack power either.

Originally posted by h1a8
You know I really don't make errors in math right?
I'll explain why millions is the upper limit to how many times faster Superman is than Thor. Superman has did a lot of stuff within a FRACTION OF A NANOSECOND, while Thor operated in SEVERAL MICROSECONDS.
So if Superman operated in 1/250th of a nanosecond and Thor operated in 4 microseconds (superman performed more actions as well) then this is a million times faster. If Superman is at least a thousand times faster then how come Thor won't appear far slower than Superman? If Thor is able to make an action, Superman will see it done in slow motion and adjust accordingly with ease. You are thinking Superman as a dumb bullet that refuses to change or alter his movement, due to changing conditions, once he gets moving.

It's not just about moving in a nano-second or a fraction of a nano-second, but it's about how much power they can unleash in that time.

Thor showed that he can swing his fist to throw a Knock Out Punch in microseconds.

Now I'm not even remotely trying to compare Thor's speed to Superman's. But you have to show me fastest time in which Superman can throw a dozen + planet busting punches. Because that's the minimum it will take to KO Thor. And that time has to be faster than Thor can even react.

Originally posted by h1a8
Mjolnir has never hit an intangible being. Vision was never intangible when Thor hit him. Vision WAS HARDENING his body when Thor affected him.

Here's the scan:

Originally posted by ODG

Mjolnir can use mystical forces to affect and completely disrupt Vision's intangible form, from Avengers Annual #8:

Thor says "before you can solidify sufficiently to harm me," (actually another speed feat) and then he specifies that the "MYSITC forces unleashed by my hammer" implying he's doing it through one of the more mystical elements Mjolnir.

Don't doubt Magic. Ever. More chance of that actually working on Superman as well with his magic vulnerability. Also looks pretty clear in the scan that Mjolnir was inside Vision when it unleashed the attack, so Vision was still intangible.

Otherwise even Classic Surfer would have been able to easily take Thor, yet Classic Surfer's powers were specifically mentioned not to be a match for Thor's.

Originally posted by h1a8
you are blind as a bat. Gladiator was more than 50 feet away from Thor. I pitched in baseball for many years. I know the distance from the mound to the plate like second nature. Trust me, using 30 ft was an intentional short estimate to prevent any debate about it.

Here's the scan:

Originally posted by ODG

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator02.jpg

It may look like some distance when they show the distance from behind Gladiator (still no where even close to 50 feet), but in the next image you see She-Thing running towards them, and they are both still in the same position, and you can clearly see the distance between them is no more than 6-7 feet.

Originally posted by h1a8
The feat is impressive as hell though. I know this. That's why Thor is a bad boy.

I'm glad your not lowballing the feat like abhilegend is coming out with things like, Oh but Iron Fist had dodged bullets.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you fail to see the "dumb projectile" argument. Superman won't act as a dumb beam or dumb bullet. Those things do not change direction or alter their course due to changing conditions. Superman will see Thor making an action in slow motion and adjust to him. That means he can evade, counter, add hv or freeze breath in the process, or slightly change his angle of attack. Also, Thor only had time to BARELY move his head 2-3 feet away to avoid Gladiators beam. He couldn't possibly achieve a more complex action in that same amount of time.

Because I'm not even expecting Thor to move out of the way to avoid Superman's punch. All I'm expecting him when he reacts is to fire out either a Lightspeed Multi-Directional blast or a Light speed Omni-Blast.

If Superman's on top of Thor even a Multi-Directional Lightning blast is very very likely to hit him Imho.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those characters didn't use their speed as shown before. You fail to understand that it is common to write fast characters without their speed at times. Just look at Thor. He is a legit speedster but is written without superspeed most of the time. So reacting to characters who possess speed doesn't mean much if that character isn't operating at their top speeds.

True, which is why we need to look at high end feats as well as consistency in battling top-tiers and speedsters, and established power levels.

Thor's powers were stated to be beyond Classic Surfer's right from the onset, despite Surfer having tremendously vast superhuman speed and having the ability to go intangible. Stan Lee at least didn't seem to think any of that was beyond Thor's ability to handle. And neither have all the other comic book writers suggested that in the decades of Thor's consistent showings against Herald level speedsters.

Because as you well know Thor has vast speed himself, coupling that with his Exotic powers is what makes him capable of hitting the Herald speedster type.

I admit Superman may pose more of a problem with this particular aspect. But not even close to the extent that you and others are making out IMHO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
To show how much faster Superman is than a microsecond level being.

A microsecond is like hours to him. He attacks at FTL speed and even though its energy Superman, he was stated to be slower than real Superman. In fact they had to take tests if he even was as fast as his older self.

That's damn faster than nanosecond level reaction feat.

nuts

At least as per google.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You have to cling to a single scan which says NOTHING about my point and you call that a WIN. A victory for irrationality but certaintly not this debate.

Then you still haven't read it. Go actually read it without bias and with an ounce of common sense and you'll see I won this debate against you when I first posted that scan a few pages ago.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1) [B]Darth Power's Thor- What do both The Destroyer and Thanos lack in reference to Superman?

You often miss the point so I'll help.

SUPERSPEED[/B]

Do you actually read my points, or are you just continually repeating your own points, hoping somebody buys them?

Thor landed Lightning blasts and Mjolnir strikes on Nefaria. There was nothing stopping him landing his more potent abilities except the circumstances.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Time and again this has been brought up and you try to dismiss it.

Thor gets knocked out WITH Mjolnir.

Thor gets knocked out WITHOUT Mjolnir.

Superman analogues have already accomplished this feat.

Yes, when Thor was either holding back, or not going all out.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand here.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
How any rational person can look at the Thor vs Nefaria fight and think he "Held back" is a mystery. Thor even even tried to BFR Nefaria but let us allow Darth to tell us otherwise.

He certainly didn't go all out on him.

Have you ever actually seen Thor go all out?

Have you even even picked up a Thor comic?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2) [B]95%- SHOW. ME. WHERE. THOR. USES. TELEPORTATION. TRANSMUTATION. SOUL DRAINING. ENERGY DRAINING. ANTI-FORCE.

WITHOUT MJOLNIR.

JUST DO IT. SHOW ME.

SCANS. PERIOD!

As always I'm here to help.

MY claim of 95% of The Odinson's offensive and defensive abilities being linked to Mjolnir is......

CANON![/B]

Right so now the likes of Teleportation and Transmutation are 95% of Thor's power, even as your about to claim that Thor ALWAYS BRAWLS.

LOL

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
3) [B]The Blonde Could have- I provide scans showing what ACTUALLY took place against Superman analogues.

Darth Power's, response

Yeah, (SNIFF) BUT , BUT, Thor could've....

He DIDN'T!

Thor failed to do so on more than one occasion indicating it is not an abberation. [/B]

You really ado have selective sight don't you?

Do I have to post the scan of Thor Battering the Superman Analogue again?

Or do you want me to show you an inferior version of Thor defeating the same Superman analogue? If I do will you even see that or will you block it out.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
4) [B]Thor's canon VS Darth Power- Here is Darth Power's Thor.

1) A non Brawler
2) A hallmark of restraint
3) A character capable of a myriad of abilities OUTSIDE of elemental powers WITHOUT Mjolnir

[QUOTE=14886354]Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
B]THE ACTUAL THOR

1) A brawler [/B]

LOL And here I thought you were telling us that Teleportation and Energy draining was 95% of his power!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2) Willing to unleash once brute force and Mjolnir strikes fail. And even still didn't unleash his full power.

You mean like when he unleashed against Gladiator battering him.And even still didn't unleash his full power. 👆

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
3) A character whose innate abilities are elemental in nature.

For those who actually have read Thor's canon (Unlike myself of course 😎) please tell us which one resembles the one CONSISTENTLY published by Marvel.

Yes his strength and elemental powers of a thousand worlds. Abilities he has even without Mjolnir 👆

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
5) [B]The Scan-You took a VERY, VERY, long time to get the point but it seems you have it now.

"Not that it matters, because unless Superman is endangering Civilains, and Thor can't go all out, he's not seperating Thor from Mjolnir for more than 5 seconds, if at all."

The point of the Gladiator scan was my showing how easy it would be for Superman to separate Thor from Mjolnir.[/B]

Yeah if Thor's holding back and trying to protect people while Superman is out for the kill 👆

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can no longer claim ignorance.

P.S. He will keep posting the scan nonetheless!

But you apparently can and continue to ignore the on panel in your face evidence presented to you time and time again. Clearly it's just not getting through your head.

I've addressed your Trolling points plentiful now. You repeating your trollsomeness isn't going to change that. So GTFO now 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
To show how much faster Superman is than a microsecond level being.

A microsecond is like hours to him. He attacks at FTL speed and even though its energy Superman, he was stated to be slower than real Superman. In fact they had to take tests if he even was as fast as his older self.

That's damn faster than nanosecond level reaction feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just to reiterate, even if we assume Superman can spend one hour while inside a microsecond and go FTL, in that timeframe as he went there, it would be akin to going 1.11xe15 times the speed of light in normal time as shown in that scan. And Superman was using that as combat speed.

nuts

At least as per google.

Lol that's cool. And you're welcome to show Superman throw these Millions of Planet busting punches that he has hours of "his time" to do in a nano-second anytime now.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol that's cool. And you're welcome to show Superman throw these Millions of Planet busting punches that he has hours of "his time" to do in a nano-second anytime now.

Two or three punches at that speed would be enough to KTFO Thor.

That showing is even more impressive than Wally evacuating that city from the nuke. He only went near lightspeed in a fraction of a microsecond, Superman went explicit FTL in a fraction of nanosecond as per the narration (a hour inside a microsecond would be lower than nanosecond FYI).

Wait a minute. That's Blue Superman. He doesn't count for your standard Supes.

Also, when was it stated he wasn't faster than Superman? Hell, they had to test him to see if he was faster than Flash and if I remember correctly, didn't he beat Flash in a race. Blue Superman isn't Superman. Those fts doesn't belong to your standard Supes unless you also want to give Superman that showing where Blue Supes got koed by a boulder.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would he need millions of punches to beat Thor? As you can see a single blast KTFO Scorn who is a superman level being while before that he was fighting Electric Superman for two issues.

Two or three punches at that speed would be enough to KTFO Thor.

That showing is even more impressive than Wally evacuating that city from the nuke. He only went near lightspeed in a fraction of a microsecond, Superman went explicit FTL in a fraction of nanosecond as per the narration (a hour inside a microsecond would be lower than nanosecond FYI).

Your claiming he has hours and hours of his own time to hit Thor, so prove it.

And 2-3 punches for the KO? Please. Thor consistently takes plenty of punches from High Heralds. Heck people of Thanos's caliber.

He's going to need at least a Dozen.

So show Superman throwing a Dozen Planet Busting punches inside of 1 Nano second.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. That's Blue Superman. He doesn't count for your standard Supes.

Also, when was it stated he wasn't faster than Superman? Hell, they had to test him to see if he was faster than Flash and if I remember correctly, didn't he beat Flash in a race. Blue Superman isn't Superman.

Those fts doesn't belong to your standard Supes unless you also want to give Superman that showing where Blue Supes got koed by a boulder.

Here he directly states that steering is harder for him in this state. So yeah, he was slower than normal superman in reaction.

ABHI...you're clearly reaching. What does steering have to do with being less faster than the other. If I was driving a car going 30 mph vs a car that is going 200 mph, guess which one I would have a hard time steering. Wasnt it said that Superman blue was faster than his normal self? Let me see if I can find anything.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your claiming he has hours and hours of his own time to hit Thor, so prove it.

And 2-3 punches for the KO? Please. Thor consistently takes plenty of punches from High Heralds. Heck people of Thanos's caliber.

He's going to need at least a Dozen.

So show Superman throwing a Dozen Planet Busting punches inside of 1 Nano second.

And Superman knocks out people more durable than Thor in 2-3 punches. So its moot anyway.

You're being carver lite now. Superman can't punch Thor a dozen times in an hour?

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI...you're clearly reaching. What does steering have to do with being less faster than the other. If I was driving a car going 30 mph vs a car that is going 200 mph, guess which one I would have a hard time steering. Wasnt it said that Superman blue was faster than his normal self? Let me see if I can find anything.

So yeah, you're wrong as usual.

Here narration states how a perfect replica of Electric Superman isn't even close to being Superman.

Superman later blitzed B13 effortlessly and tore his body apart.

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