Shazam is also part of the Quintessence of the DC Universe, along with Phantom Stranger, Highfather, Zeus, and Ganthet, apparently, as one (if not the) highest tribunal of the DC Universe. -- Shazam the Wizard Bio.(part of it)
Thats pretty powerful indeed. Stronger than Thors lightning? Not sure. Where does Thors lightning come from?
Well we assume Silver Surfers cosmic blasts are not as powerful as Galactus'.
So I assume that CMs magic lightning is not as potent as Shazaams.
And people say CMs lightning and Thors lightning are on par with each other.
So in a way it would make sense that Shazaams magic lightning is more powerul than Thors.
Originally posted by dvampire
Those attacks would do the same to Thor aswell.
Honestly, is that the best you can come up with? 🙄
Originally posted by dvampire
Superman can fire off a fully powered Heat Vision blast on to Thor, or Speedbiltz him while at the same knock the hammer from his hand because Thor never seem to do well against speedsters.
Heat vision... How many times have I responded to this? Fully powered heat vison is not going to put Thor out of this fight. Most of it will get blocked, and Thor has high durability. Superman isn't fast enough to speedblitz Thor. If Thor can block a barrage of bullets, he can stop Superman from speedblitzing. Heck, Superman couldn't even stop a barrage of bullets. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
He wanted CM to kill him because he couldn't break free of his control, and he knew what Eclipso was capable of. 🙂
Thing is, he knew the lightning would kill him. 🙂
There's a big difference between the relationship between Galactus and the Silver Surfer. Galactus isn't the source of the Silver Surfer's power. Galactus created the Silver Surfer. Shazam is the source of Billy's power. Captain Marvel's lightning doesn't come from Billy. It comes from Shazam. Why would lightning summoned by Shazam be any more potent than the lightning Billy summons?
In Superman #216, Shazam wasn't trying to kill Superman. He was just protecting Billy. Superman kept coming back because Eclipso was in control of his body, and he didn't really care whether Superman died or not. As a result of Shazam protecting Billy, Superman nearly died. Superman knew that the lightning would kill him. They had to summon the Spectre to get Eclipso out of his body.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Shazaam is the most powerful wizard in DC and even more powerful than Dr. Strange.
I don't recall anyone ever saying that CM's lightning is on par with Thors. Thor is the God of Thunder. CM uses the power of a wizard who uses the power of the God of Thunder. We can't assume the power level of either.
Originally posted by dvampire
That wasn't Superman fighting though. He's not going to fly right in front of the attacks like Eclipso was doing. Superman was hit a total of nine times and he still lived so he's not that vurnable to magic. Those attacks would do the same to Thor aswell.Superman can fire off a fully powered Heat Vision blast on to Thor, or Speedbiltz him while at the same knock the hammer from his hand because Thor never seem to do well against speedsters.
He wanted CM to kill him because he couldn't break free of his control, and he knew what Eclipso was capable of. 🙂
Originally posted by jrodslam
Shazam is also part of the Quintessence of the DC Universe, along with Phantom Stranger, Highfather, Zeus, and Ganthet, apparently, as one (if not the) highest tribunal of the DC Universe. -- Shazam the Wizard Bio.(part of it)Thats pretty powerful indeed. Stronger than Thors lightning? Not sure. Where does Thors lightning come from?
Thor's lightning comes indirectly from Odin's own power, channeled through Mjolnir.
They would do just as much damage as Shazam's, if not more.
Supes doesn't have an immunity to magic. But he's not any more vulnerable to it than say, the Hulk.
Thor's magic lightning WOULD hurt him. But no more than the many magical attacks he's survived (or even ignored!) before in the past.
Physically - Superman is on par with and in some areas exceeds Thor.
Thor's lightning could very well hurt Superman - if he hit him and then immediately pressed home his advantage without ANY 'forsooth, villein - thou shalt now feel the might of Mjolnir!!'
Thor's godblast would definitely hurt, maybe even kill Supes. But I don't see Supes standing around to take it.
It's a good fight.
Superman has the edge physicaly, but Thor is fast and strong enough to stay close and maybe tag him with lightning.
On paper, I'd say Thor has a fair chance.
But my heart says Supes.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeCosmic Cube that is the farthest from the truth. Bill knew the lightning would not kill him.Thing is, he knew the lightning would kill him. 🙂
Did you read the comic?
Bottom line is Superman could handle Shazaams and Captian Marvels magic lightning so I would think that Thors would be no problem also. Dont say that he cant cause I proved that he could.
I was saying, like lots of people have said before, if Thor used the powers of Mjolnir as they r defined, then he would easily beat Superman because he is protected and "strengthened" by his biomatrix. Mjolnir can absorb EM energy and Superman's body underneath is no more dense than a regular human's.
Originally posted by Wynndar
I was saying, like lots of people have said before, if Thor used the powers of Mjolnir as they r defined, then he would easily beat Superman because he is protected and "strengthened" by his biomatrix. Mjolnir can absorb EM energy and Superman's body underneath is no more dense than a regular human's.
Yeah, he has to be more durable than a regular human beneath the aura. If not, those lightning bolts would have vaporised him. Most of Superman's durability comes from that bio-aura. Anything that can pass through the biomatrix can hurt him, but Kryptonian durability, even without the bio-aura, is not like a normal human's durability.
Originally posted by WynndarTwo things here.
Mjolnir can absorb EM energy and Superman's body underneath is no more dense than a regular human's.
Thor can abosrb energy if its projected at him to my understanding. He cannot draw energy from a source.
Magic and Kryptonite break the aura that surrounds Superman. That is why he bleeds and his clothes get ripped. He is still hella durable under that aura and believe dat homie. Superman is not a REGULAR HUMAM. His internal organs and everything are different.
For the record guys I have done enough on this thread so this will be my last post.
Its been fun 💃
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Two things here.Thor can abosrb energy if its projected at him to my understanding. He cannot draw energy from a source.
Magic and Kryptonite break the aura that surrounds Superman. That is why he bleeds and his clothes get ripped. He is still hella durable under that aura and believe dat homie. Superman is not a REGULAR HUMAM. His internal organs and everything are different.
For the record guys I have done enough on this thread so this will be my last post.
Its been fun 💃
Correct. Thor can't siphon energy.
Superman is more durable than any human without his aura, but he will still get hurt by an attack that passes through his bio aura. Without the bio-aura, he isn't bulletproof. He's about as durable as Wolverine without the aura (sans regeneration.)
That it has. 😉
Originally posted by Wynndar
I believe Mjolnir has been used to break fields in the past by simultaneously striking them with force and absorbing energy away from it.
It's possible, but that isn't necessary. The simple fact that Mjolnir is magic would be enough to penetrate the bio-aura. Magic isn't as bad as Kryptonite, but it is has been consistantly effective against Superman. The question is, how much punishment can Superman take without his aura? Not much, IMO.