Thor vs Superman

this is a quote from a very, very good flash website. one of the best hero websites i've ever seen. very detailed, very up to date. this place knows its stuff:

<<Note: in this post-Crisis story, the two of them [flash and superman] are only able to hit about four times the speed of sound. In the earlier races, both Superman and Barry could easily exceed the speed of light. In recent years, Wally has regained near-light speed, and Superman seems to be able to keep up with him. Apparently, Superman’s speed is defined to be just about as fast as the Flash.>>

this site is updated regularly, and, like i said, this dude knows his stuff. check it out for yourself if you want.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/

Originally posted by leonidas
this is a quote from a very, very good flash website. one of the best hero websites i've ever seen. very detailed, very up to date. this place knows its stuff:

<<Note: in this post-Crisis story, the two of them [flash and superman] are only able to hit about four times the speed of sound. In the earlier races, both Superman and Barry could easily exceed the speed of light. In recent years, Wally has regained near-light speed, and Superman seems to be able to keep up with him. Apparently, Superman&#8217;s speed is defined to be just about as fast as the Flash.>>

this site is updated regularly, and, like i said, this dude knows his stuff. check it out for yourself if you want.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/

And has said that he can't go at light speed (post)

<<In recent Superman comic superman failed to stopped bullets.
And has said that he can't go at light speed (post)>>

i don't know the context of the bullets. if he was on the other side of the planet, or right next to them. and the site says NEAR light speed, though many on this thread have given recent examples that can only be explained by FTL travel.

Originally posted by kgkg
Gladiator > Superman in every aspect.\

Superman's speed - Mach 50 at most, He needs lots of acceleration just to exceed Mach 1.(earth)

Gladiator's Speed - 100X light - He travels&#8217;s trough space (fact) etc.
-Brought the hulk to space before he even realized anything.

Heat vision - hotter than the hottest Stars
Thor reflected that back at him with Mjolnir

Strength - He moves planet (not just assumption he has done this)
- He has blow entire planet with his fist.
Superman doesn't come close to this level.

&#8220;Normal gambit knocked Glads down&#8221; - bad writing , and Glads level defends on his confidence , he is usually written badly , He has survived Solar system destroying attacks

" If Supes knocks Mjolnir out of Thors hands he can pick it up and use it also." I agree if he can he will win, without Mjolnir Thor isn't doing much.

But is supes speed enough, to doge Mjolnir , and knock it out of his hand? Who has done this?

Glads did it but he is really fast.

Speed makes a huge difference... what will Thor do if supes vibrates intangible like he did with DD...DD is much faster than Thor.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Speed makes a huge difference... what will Thor do if supes vibrates intangible like he did with DD...DD is much faster than Thor.

Assumption. There was no evidence that Doomsday even had superspeed. To say that he is much faster than Thor is pure speculation.

What issue did Superman vibrate through Doomsday's attack in?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Speed makes a huge difference... what will Thor do if supes vibrates intangible like he did with DD...DD is much faster than Thor.

i didn't see it that way..... it looked more like he moved out of the way so fast that it appeared to DD that he was still there........ Superman shouldn't be capable of vibrating through things while he has that bio-field going for him

Kage dude - you're contradicting yourself.

You say that Superman travels at mach 50.

Then you say he can't catch bullets.

Now which is it lol? 🙂

He regularly outaccelerates and catches bullets - it's one of his party tricks, lol.

And he also travels from star to star without the aid of a starship. At light speed that would take years. At mach 50 it'd take centuries.

Besides which, this is a moot point. Supes doesn't need to be THAT much faster than Thor. He just needs to have his thinking cap on whilst being a 'little' bit faster.

And CosmicCube - you're right about pointing out Post-Crisis Supes CAN'T vibrate through things - that was a pre-crisis ability and isn't relevant in this fight.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Kage dude - you're contradicting yourself.

You say that Superman travels at mach 50.

Then you say he can't catch bullets.

Now which is it lol? 🙂

He regularly outaccelerates and catches bullets - it's one of his party tricks, lol.

And he also travels from star to star without the aid of a starship. At light speed that would take years. At mach 50 it'd take centuries.

Besides which, this is a moot point. Supes doesn't need to be THAT much faster than Thor. He just needs to have his thinking cap on whilst being a 'little' bit faster.

And CosmicCube - you're right about pointing out Post-Crisis Supes CAN'T vibrate through things - that was a pre-crisis ability and isn't relevant in this fight.

I've never seen Superman travel between star systems without the aide of a Boom Tube, or another form of transportation. Concievably, he wouldn't be able to hold his breath that long. (It boggles the mind. DC specifically says that he needs to breathe, yet he can live in the Sun for years. Go figure.) Can you recall any instances, Zephro?

Thor can travel faster than light itself in flight, via Mjolnir. Concievably, his reaction time would have to be pretty damn fast, otherwise, he'd be unable to avoid obstacles in space whilst flying. Superman may be able to run/move faster, but not drastically.

I've yet to see any evidence suggesting that Superman is stronger than Thor.

Superman Adventures number 26 - Clark exiles himself on the moon without a thought for oxygen. Like you said - go figure lol! That's DC for ya! 😄

And in the Krypton Chronicles, Superman and Supergirl flew by themselves to another planet far away. I think it was called Rokyn. They didn't use a Boom Tube or a wormhole.

You know that DC don't go for the whole explaining how things work, like Marvel do Cosmic lol! 😄

And there's no evidence that Superman is stronger than Thor, but you can't deny that he has shown more and greater acts of strength.

Granted, that's not imperical lol - but until someone shows Thor pushing a planet - that is using it's own huge lightspeed capable engines to push itself forwards against him - back into a wormhole, then I'm not convinced about Thor's strength, lol.

Phew - I'm out of breath now after that sentence! 😛

Not suprised your out of breath that was kind of awesome Zeph!

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Superman Adventures number 26 - Clark exiles himself on the moon without a thought for oxygen. Like you said - go figure lol! That's DC for ya! 😄

And in the Krypton Chronicles, Superman and Supergirl flew by themselves to another planet far away. I think it was called Rokyn. They didn't use a Boom Tube or a wormhole.

You know that DC don't go for the whole explaining how things work, like Marvel do Cosmic lol! 😄

And there's no evidence that Superman is stronger than Thor, but you can't deny that he has shown more and greater acts of strength.

Granted, that's not imperical lol - but until someone shows Thor pushing a planet - that is using it's own huge lightspeed capable engines to push itself forwards against him - back into a wormhole, then I'm not convinced about Thor's strength, lol.

Phew - I'm out of breath now after that sentence! 😛

You guys do realize............Superman is a jerk!!!!!

i found this list of feats somewhere on the forum, and thought it was interesting. not sure it will convince anyone that supes really IS stronger, but they are impressive nonetheless:

<<Credit to RedWolf:

JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Once again it dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon System.

In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propelled a massive space station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter (the length of the cylinder, judging by the depiction, had to have been about 2500 miles ) by pushing against it. The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural resources gleaned from an entire solar system. A hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). He had to exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with the stresses of hyperspace unprotected.

JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time. Later, he produces static electricity sufficient to be "corralled" by Green Lantern John Stewart into containing the black hole. Superman then launches the black hole into a neighboring wormhole.

Luthor 2000 special: Superman split one of Saturn's moons with a single strike.>>

others have mentioned some astounding feats as well.

i also thought i'd throw the light of clarification on the notion that thor lifted jormungand, the serpent who is as 'heavy as the earth'. (by the way, not sure who first brought it up, but i've never found evidence the serpent is 'heavy as the earth'. not in a comic, not in a norse myth. it encircles the earth, but i'm curious - where did the idea come from that it is as HEAVY as the earth?)

anyway, here is a relatively recent attempt showing thor trying to lift a small PORTION of the serpent, that is disguised as fin fang foom:

Originally posted by leonidas
i found this list of feats somewhere on the forum, and thought it was interesting. not sure it will convince anyone that supes really IS stronger, but they are impressive nonetheless:

<<Credit to RedWolf:

JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Once again it dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon System.

In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propelled a massive space station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter (the length of the cylinder, judging by the depiction, had to have been about 2500 miles ) by pushing against it. The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural resources gleaned from an entire solar system. A hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). He had to exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with the stresses of hyperspace unprotected.

JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time. Later, he produces static electricity sufficient to be "corralled" by Green Lantern John Stewart into containing the black hole. Superman then launches the black hole into a neighboring wormhole.

Luthor 2000 special: Superman split one of Saturn's moons with a single strike.>>

others have mentioned some astounding feats as well.

👆

the resultant 'victory' is pretty impressive, but far less impressive than the claim that thor 'lifted the weight of the world'. and in my opinion, far less impressive than some of supe's feats.

Originally posted by leonidas
i found this list of feats somewhere on the forum, and thought it was interesting. not sure it will convince anyone that supes really IS stronger, but they are impressive nonetheless:

<<Credit to RedWolf:

JLA: World War Three story-line: Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Once again it dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon System.

In Superman: The Earth Stealers, Superman propelled a massive space station, cylindrical in shape and stated to be 600 miles in diameter (the length of the cylinder, judging by the depiction, had to have been about 2500 miles ) by pushing against it. The weight was inestimable- it was constructed from all the natural resources gleaned from an entire solar system. A hyperspace portal was opened and Superman not only pushed it, he propelled it for 20 minutes through hyperspace (it was stated that they reached the halfway point at 10 minutes). He had to exert the power to move it at the same time that he had to deal with the stresses of hyperspace unprotected.

JLA #77: Superman contains a black hole in the palm of his hand for an undisclosed amount of time. Later, he produces static electricity sufficient to be "corralled" by Green Lantern John Stewart into containing the black hole. Superman then launches the black hole into a neighboring wormhole.

Luthor 2000 special: Superman split one of Saturn's moons with a single strike.>>

others have mentioned some astounding feats as well.

Very Very Very Strong, Hyperspace fast, black hole holding, Gladiator is his *****, as is the Surfer, As is the weakest of those three Thor!!!!!!
Great post Leo

Nuff Said!!

Excelsior! Whirly

Deception.

A microscopic black hole, with no gravitaitional pull. All it did was make the JLA forget how to use their powers. Flash forgot how to slow down, Batman forgot how to talk, etc.

Earth Stealers = Pre-Crisis Superman. John Byrne said himself that Earth Stealers was one of the last showings of pre-crisis Superman's power. It was published shortly after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, in January of '88. Post-crisis Superman is nowhere near that level of power.

When was it established that the Mageddon warhead was that large? That occured in JLA #40, but it sounds like quite an exaggeration.

Originally posted by leonidas
the resultant 'victory' is pretty impressive, but far less impressive than the claim that thor 'lifted the weight of the world'. and in my opinion, far less impressive than some of supe's feats.

A snake that can completely cover the face of the Earth must be pretty heavy. It is assumed that the snake weighed as much as the Earth itself. Assumptions. Regardless, Superman has never demonstrated strength sufficient to actually lift the weigh of the Earth.

Say, has Superman ever lifted the weight of a white dwarf star?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Assumption. There was no evidence that Doomsday even had superspeed. To say that he is much faster than Thor is pure speculation.

What issue did Superman vibrate through Doomsday's attack in?

In supes and DD's first battle, it was said they were barely a blur, the fight was at super speed.

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Kage dude - you're contradicting yourself.

You say that Superman travels at mach 50.

Then you say he can't catch bullets.

Now which is it lol? 🙂

He regularly outaccelerates and catches bullets - it's one of his party tricks, lol.

And he also travels from star to star without the aid of a starship. At light speed that would take years. At mach 50 it'd take centuries.

Besides which, this is a moot point. Supes doesn't need to be THAT much faster than Thor. He just needs to have his thinking cap on whilst being a 'little' bit faster.

And CosmicCube - you're right about pointing out Post-Crisis Supes CAN'T vibrate through things - that was a pre-crisis ability and isn't relevant in this fight.

Here he is vibrating effortlessly through DD's attacks and flame breath. You can cut and paste thor into DD's place fairly easily.