Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by leonidas
<<That story was full of holes. Regardless, Superman hadn't vibrated through any attacks in MOS #110.

2 - i don't happen to believe supes was actually 'vibrating through' those attacks in that scan. he was moving at superspeed and dodging them - like he did the lightning dd shot at him. in the profile shot, we just can't see him moving from side to side.

Does that make sense?

well, i'll admit sentry, i like your argument better than the 'thor stops time' argument.

ps-i agree, sentry - about half the time those things WOULD spell defeat for supes. but supe's would win his share . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
<<That story was full of holes. Regardless, Superman hadn't vibrated through any attacks in MOS #110.

My point is, why acknowledge one character's ability that would make him potentially unbeatable, and disacknolwedge the other's?>>

a couple things:

1 - supe's has done it somewhat more recently . . . and yes, common sense dictates time SHOULD matter in this case. again - is this ability consistent with thor's established character? clearly not. has supes's used his superspeed to avoid attacks? has he vibrated to cause damage? many, many times. one instance is well within the range of a charater's accepted norms, the other case is not even close to the norm.

2 - i don't happen to believe supes was actually 'vibrating through' those attacks in that scan. he was moving at superspeed and dodging them - like he did the lightning dd shot at him. in the profile shot, we just can't see him moving from side to side.

and 3 - it wouldn't necessarily take skyfather level at all to hit/beat him - it would only take someone of comparable speed - capt marvel, ww, flash, manhunter - there are many beings of comparable speed who could logically counter supes's own speed. and i don't think anyone said he was immune to telepathy - just very resistant and made so by his own mental powers. magic would still affect him as well, and i'm thinking he probably couldn't vibrate through k-radiation . . . (i assume you meant that tongu-in-cheek?)

Superman rarely avoids attacks. I have been presented with a total of one issue in which Superman vibrates through an opponent's attack. He does not do it frequently at all.

Speed? What is speed it your opponent can pass your attack through himself? Thor is about as fast as Wonder Woman, he can achieve greater than light speeds with his hammer, or even warp space, but that means nothing if Superman can simply pass any assault through his body, remaining unharmed.

It has been suggested that Superman could withstand a mental assault from the Dark Phoenix. If that isn't immunity, what is?

You seem to think similarly to GalacticStorm. He also said that Superman was dodging Doomsday's attacks. But, it has been said in this very thread that Superman would simply vibrate through the Godblast. If I'm not mistaken, you see things differently. Or am I?

Originally posted by leonidas
well, i'll admit sentry, i like your argument better than the 'thor stops time' argument.

ps-i agree, sentry - about half the time those things WOULD spell defeat for supes. but supe's would win his share . . .

That's the glory of debates. To each their own. I'm going to go out on a limb, but I'll say it could go either way. I know Thor can win. So can Superman. It will go either way. 😬

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Originally posted by Sentry
That's the glory of debates. To each their own. I'm going to go out on a limb, but I'll say it could go either way. I know Thor can win. So can Superman. It will go either way. 😬

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I will remain in my position. Thor would win this fight more often than not.

Originally posted by leonidas

and 3 - it wouldn't necessarily take skyfather level at all to hit/beat him - it would only take someone of comparable speed - capt marvel, ww, flash, manhunter - there are many beings of comparable speed who could logically counter supes's own speed.

Just wanted you to know, but WW doesn't really compare to Superman in speed. He just recently owned her in the speed department. I forget the issue.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

i will never admit that thor can beat superman. although on marvel.com, thor seems weak.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If you look at the width of Supermans shoulders and the width of the firebreath I think that its safe to ASSUME Superman is vibrating through the firebreath.

Or, he could just be dodging it. Would he really need to 'vibrate' through Doomsday's fire breath? I mean, this is Superman. What's a little fire breath to him?

Originally posted by Dark Thor
i will never admit that thor can beat superman. although on marvel.com, thor seems weak.

A lot of people on this board share that sentiment (not including myself. 😉)
No matter what, never admit the defeat of your fave char. 😄

they seem even to me though

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Or, he could just be dodging it. Would he really need to 'vibrate' through Doomsday's fire breath? I mean, this is Superman. What's a little fire breath to him?

I want to go back to the heat-vison deal. I grabbed my copy of the fight they had in JLA/Avengers #2 and Superman used his heat vision on Thor and after Thor was k.o.'d he was lying on the grounnd with smoke rolling off him and his clothes burned off.

I for one do think the Supermans heat vision would hurt Thor to the point it might even kill him(dont laugh).

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He would need to use this technique to avoid the Godforce no doubt. And if he applied it the Godforce would be a non-factor.

I want to go back to the heat-vison deal. I grabbed my copy of the fight they had in JLA/Avengers #2 and Superman used his heat vision on Thor and after Thor was k.o.'d he was lying on the grounnd with smoke rolling off him and his clothes burned off.

I for one do think the Supermans heat vision would hurt Thor to the point it might even kill him(dont laugh).

How do you know that Superman could "vibrate through a magical attack? Of course, assuming that Superman actually vibrated through Doomsday's attack, which was not made clear.

For some ungodly reason, Thor didn't attempt to block Superman's heat vision in JLA vs Avengers, which he is well capable of doing. Thor is capable of withstanding Surtur's flames, and Firelord's cosmic fire, but Superman's heat vision put him down? Plot device, anyone? I mean, this is a crossover we're talking about.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
How do you know that Superman could "vibrate through a magical attack? Of course, assuming that Superman actually vibrated through Doomsday's attack, which was not made clear.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well Supermans range of movement was clear in that pic. The range of the firebreath exceeded that. Superman was not dodging those attacks if he was why did he want to stay in the same spot. He could have used that speed to get behind him and pounce on him from there.

It's all up to interpretation. I doubt the fire breath would hurt him much, anyway. Perhaps Superman withstood the fire breath, and his image was distorted by the heat of the blast. It's entirely possible.

Originally posted by Sentry
That's the glory of debates. To each their own. I'm going to go out on a limb, but I'll say it could go either way. I know Thor can win. So can Superman. It will go either way. 😬

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Superman's heat vision < Surtur's Magical Fire

Superman's heat vision < Firelord's Cosmic Fire

But Supes heat vision is nothing compared to the heat generated by those two.

Heat Vision will hurt him, but not even remotely threaten his life.

[QUOTE=4221426]Originally posted by Sentry
Superman's heat vision < Surtur's Magical Fire

Superman's heat vision < Firelord's Cosmic Fire

But Supes heat vision is nothing compared to the heat generated by those two.

Heat Vision will hurt him, but not even remotely threaten his life. [/QUOTE

How do you know how hot supes heat vision is. Thor has always seen those attacks coming and used his hammer, thor will lose to heat vision and speed of delivery.

Typical fanboy response 😄]

supes's heat vision is said to reach about 11 000 degrees at max. at least according to a bio - and IF supes somehow hit thor with it it WOULD hurt. not kill him, certainly, but hurt. it would have to be a well placed attack though, because his hammer would handle the beams like they were nothing.

and to me, snoop, the first panel i would say he dodged by moving sideways, the second by moving by back, he clearly dodges the third (which bears the question, if he was simply vibrating through the attacks, why did he have to leap out of the way of this one?) the lightning is clearly open to interpretation. what i assumed happened was the twin streaks raeched him at seperate times (lightning often forks out in many directions) so he dodged the first bolt, THEN the second. sorry gents, i'm with cube on this one. and i absolutely don't think he could 'vibrate through' a godblast. the fact that it's magic alone, would make that tough, even if he CAN vibrate. supes might find other ways to avoid it, he might put thor down before he uses it, but he wouldn't 'vibrate through it'. least not imho. and if thor DID manage to hit him with it (and i think he would find a way about half the time 🙂) cube's right. it would spell the beginning of the end for supes.

11,000???

Nova's cosmic fire is 900,000 degrees.

Firelord is more powerful than her.

11.000 degrees??? 😆

Originally posted by Sentry
11,000???

Nova's cosmic fire is 900,000 degrees.

Firelord is more powerful than her.

11.000 degrees??? 😆

The poor faboy has lost it

Keep the faith

Whirly 😆