Thor vs Superman

<<CM’s lighting what has it done? Hurt superman lol ? Ever wonder why it hurt supes more than others.>>

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<<Leo do you read lots of CM comics his lighting is not impressive at all when comparing to Thor , and Thor doesn't even use his max with his hammer.>>

i'll concede your point about not reading TOO much cm, but you still can't disparage the power of the wizard, shazam, and he is the source of cm's power (though for a long time i'd believed this 'lightning' was a portion of zeus's power manifesting. does anyone know if this is DEFINITELY not the case? because if the lightning IS a manifestation of zeus's power, that's something else entirely to discuss.)

as for who the lightning has harmed, i admit i wish i had some examples to pull out, but i don't. perhaps someone else does? but i do have a VERY hard time believing that his lightning is not powerful enough to harm anyone BUT supes.

as far as thor not using the max - it has already been brought up several times that supes never uses his max, either. so that's a wash. and you seem to be under the idea that i'm saying thor won't win. i am NOT saying that. he is certainly more than capable of putting supes to sleep. all i've been arguing all along it that supes is likewise capable of putting thor to sleep.

Originally posted by kgkg
What? he couldn't catch it that's the main point

Tell them why he couldnt catch them kgkg cause im sure you read it 😉

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
And why would the Flash be running a step ahead of Supes? He's capable of exceeding mach without any effects on the environment lol. He should've left Supes in the dust, lol.

And Quicksilver can run at mach+ without devastating the environment too.

It's Superman dude! 😄

Originally posted by kgkg
What if I proved you he can't?

I have two so far. 😄

Believe or not I read lots of supes comic I used to love his comics......

I still want issue numbers but strangely you dont get them for me.

hey snoop, you got any cm stuff lying around? i find it hard to accept kg's assumption that cm's lightning is as limited as he makes it out to be.

you know what snoop, never mind, i found what i was looking for - and apparently i WAS right in my initial assumption. this is taken from a website that has summaries of all of cm's issues. this issue came out in 1998:

<<Cap finds that the lightning bolt which transforms him acting erratically. As Billy Batson, he retains the power of Captain Marvel and as Captain Marvel, he is no more powerful than an ordinary mortal. The wizard SHAZAM deduces that the gods who are the source of his power may be at the root of the problem. SHAZAM learns that Zeus has decided to test Billy by altering his magical lightning. Meanwhile, Billy, with the help of a young boy, raid a criminal's lair. Billy bluffs the criminals by entering their lair as Captain Marvel, despite the fact that because of Zeus's interference, he is powerless. This act of bravado wins the respect of Zeus, who agrees to restore Captain Marve's powers to their original form.>>

so the lightning DOES come from zeus!! that's what i get for not trusting myself. and even though dc's zeus may not be what marvel's is, he is STILL father of the gods, the lightning is STILL 'divine power' AND supes withstood MULTIPLE bolts and, though he was badly hurt, still didn't fall! if he can withstand zeus's lightning, i can't see any reason why he wouldn't be able to withstand thor's. and since it IS zeus's lightning cm is calling upon, then CLEARLY it would do damage to anyone - not just supe's as kg alluded to in an earlier post.

his weakness to magic has been lessened, indeed.

Originally posted by leonidas
hey snoop, you got any cm stuff lying around? i find it hard to accept kg's assumption that cm's lightning is as limited as he makes it out to be.

Originally posted by kgkg

I think the flash was smoking crack

He is DC top writer. Ill take his word over yours sorry man.

Just because Superman may have said that he cant run over mach speeds dont mean that he cant do it.

I mean Superman has alot of enemies why would he openely admitt his limitations to people? Thats asking to get your @ss kicked if you ask me.

That pic Avalon posted Superman has to be going way over mach 100 to achieve that. The pic I posted show him going mach 9,600.

I am working on more cases where he went over mach 100. By this weekend you guys should be ready for a flury of Superman scans 😉

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did you read the comic?

Tell them why he couldnt catch them kgkg cause im sure you read it 😉

Superman, in flight, hears Nox talking about a machine. He comes down to find the machine, designed to take out Nox, which instead took out all of the people that disappeared. Equus has the King, who Nox says did it. Equus takes the King's gun, and they hear him shoot through the radio. Superman goes to stop him. I dont know if the Flash could have gotten there in time.

kgkg dont bring Superman #207 up again cause it proves nothing.

<<Being your are not gonna tell them what happend kgkg I will.

Superman, in flight, hears Nox talking about a machine. He comes down to find the machine, designed to take out Nox, which instead took out all of the people that disappeared. Equus has the King, who Nox says did it. Equus takes the King's gun, and they hear him shoot through the radio. Superman goes to stop him. I dont know if the Flash could have gotten there in time.

kgkg dont bring Superman #207 up again cause it proves nothing.>>

thanks snoop!! i've asked on SEVERAL occasions for someone to explain the FULL CONTEXT of those 'missed bullets', and you are the only one who has FINALLY done so! i knew there was something more to the story then supes simply missing them because he was 'slow.' well done again, snoop. you know your sh!t!!

earlier i was asking you if you knew of any instances where cm used his lightning as an attack against an opponent. i've only got a few cm books, and there are no lightning attacks in them. didn't know if you knew of any books where he used the lightning offensively. as i said though, i sort of found my answer regarding the power level of the lightning anyway, but if you know of any times, it would be cool to see 'em.

good job, bro.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Being your are not gonna tell them what happend kgkg I will.

Superman, in flight, hears Nox talking about a machine. He comes down to find the machine, designed to take out Nox, which instead took out all of the people that disappeared. Equus has the King, who Nox says did it. Equus takes the King's gun, and they hear him shoot through the radio. Superman goes to stop him. I dont know if the Flash could have gotten there in time.

kgkg dont bring Superman #207 up again cause it proves nothing.>>

thanks snoop!! i've asked on SEVERAL occasions for someone to explain the FULL CONTEXT of those 'missed bullets', and you are the only one who has FINALLY done so! i knew there was something more to the story then supes simply missing them because he was 'slow.' well done again, snoop. you know your sh!t!!

earlier i was asking you if you knew of any instances where cm used his lightning as an attack against an opponent. i've only got a few cm books, and there are no lightning attacks in them. didn't know if you knew of any books where he used the lightning offensively. as i said though, i sort of found my answer regarding the power level of the lightning anyway, but if you know of any times, it would be cool to see 'em.

good job, bro.

I believe CM's lighting comes directly from Zeus himself. If this is true. Zeus magic is a bit higher on the food chain that Thor's lighting. Also coming from the Greek/Roman gods is an advantage as they are more powerful than the Norse gods who aren't even truly immortal.

I belive cap marvels ligthing its just the powers going from the wizard to him. ( can someone confirm me on this? ) About thor and supes. bah Supes is in the comic world more popular but somehow i dont see him as more stronger and definatly not more powerfull. Pre crisis he was figthing hercules toe to toe ( very old issues of action comics ) and stated his strengh rivaled his own. Thor is every bit as strong as Hercules...

fairly enough all three are in the same class with wonder woman being slighty below 😛

<<I believe CM's lighting comes directly from Zeus himself.>>

it does indeed as was proved in a previous post, avalon, so yes, cm's lightning is more powerful than thor's. (even though zeus is less powerful in dc, his status as chief skygod would remain the same) zeus and thor fought in thor annual #8 and during the fight they battled to control the storm. zeus proved thor's superior. zeus even used his (zeus's) lightning against thor to devastating effect. thor's command over lightning is his own, and does not stem from odin as i believe was mentioned at some point in this discussion.

zeus's lightning battered thor, like it battered supes. like it would batter anyone.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<I believe CM's lighting comes directly from Zeus himself.>>

it does indeed as was proved in a previous post, avalon, so yes, cm's lightning is more powerful than thor's. (even though zeus is less powerful in dc, his status as chief skygod would remain the same) zeus and thor fought in thor annual #8 and during the fight they battled to control the storm. zeus proved thor's superior. zeus even used his (zeus's) lightning against thor to devastating effect. thor's command over lightning is his own, and does not stem from odin as i believe was mentioned at some point in this discussion.

zeus's lightning battered thor, like it battered supes. like it would batter anyone.

Thans Leo..just as I thought. CM's powers were granted to him by shazam, but his attributes are from the gods...not from the wizard. Zeus lighting is much more powerful than Thors. Thor is not even a true lighting elemental. It comes from the hammer. Even by having to use a weapon, thor would lose the fight most of the time.

Avalon, Thor does have ligthing powers of is own. Check the last storyarc by Oeming on Thor. He used one attack similiar of the godblas,t on a foe that was about to go on Sif. Without the hammer.

But i do agree. Zeus as a storm god is on a whole another level.

Thor's power

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wat does that prove

Originally posted by supremthor
wat does that prove

Originally posted by K3VIL
That Thor has powers magical in nature without Mjolnir at his side, and that such amount of power will K.O. Superman.

Interesting. Good to see Thor can do that.
Still, It wouldnt be enough.