Blade vs. Wolverine

Started by Creshosk57 pages

Originally posted by Master-Borg
well he can feel it grow one at a time, it suggests that it was growing at a speed that he could feel

however, even assuming it one cell takes .01 seconds to grow (unlikely since he wouldn't feel them individually in that case), it would take hours

Boston Univerity
"Your body's locked precisely with your speech. You can't break out of this no matter what you do. Your eyes even blink in synchrony with your speech." Movements appear to begin, change, or end on the same film frame that a new vowel or consonant begins - within about four-hundreths of a second in the new sound. "The synchrony of the listener with the speaker is just as good as my own synchrony with myself." An auditory-motor reflex in the central nervous system might allow, even force, a listener's movements to synchronize with a speaker's voice far faster than any conscious reaction time. "We're almost in auditory touch. When I speak to you, my thoughts are translated into muscle movements an and then into airways that hit your ear, and your eardrum starts to oscillate in absolute synchrony with my voice. In essence there's no vacuum between us - it takes only a few milliseconds for a sound to register in the brain stem, 14 milliseconds for it to reach the left hemisphere."

Given how fast the nervous system can process information, even at 60 cells a second in 2 minutes he'd have 7200 cells.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
On-panel proof of what? The ambiguous torture pit scene where he may or may not have had his brain penetrated again? We already went through this, as you yourself recall. The bullet may have penetrated his brain in the torture pit and pushed the bullet out through his eye. This is much more plausible since the New X-Men issue was published AFTER the torture pit. More recent and clearly on-panel. I just responded to this thread with my opinion. You don't like my opinions that's fine. But by your accounting, an ambiguous and older scan trumps a clear and newer scan. Your cup of tea.
Burden of proof is on your shoulders to prove it penetrated into his brain

Why are all the wolverine haters so damned illogical?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Given how fast the nervous system can process information, even at 60 cells a second in 2 minutes he'd have 7200 cells.
its pretty dubious that if he was growing cells at 60 PER SECOND, he could actually feel them growing one at a time, perhaps he is that sensitive...I don't know.

but even assuming that, in 2 minutes he has 7200, and in an hour he has only 216,000....far short of the millions of cells that make up the human nervous system.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
its pretty dubious that if he was growing cells at 60 PER SECOND, he could actually feel them growing one at a time, perhaps he is that sensitive...I don't know.

but even assuming that, in 2 minutes he has 7200, and in an hour he has only 216,000....far short of the millions of cells that make up the human nervous system.

I was being generous too

1 second = 1000 milliseconds

"it takes only a few milliseconds for a sound to register in the brain stem, 14 milliseconds for it to reach the left hemisphere.""

So lets see 14 milliseconds for the signal to travel to the brain.

1 cell every 14 milliseconds...
so its closer to 71 cells avery second.

even at a rate of 1000 cells per second, it would require a couple of hours for his entire nervous system to grow back

Originally posted by Master-Borg
even at a rate of 1000 cells per second, it would require a couple of hours for his entire nervous system to grow back
Yeah I'm going to go with it probably felt like he could feel them growing back one at a time. So he was probably exagerating. Because seriously him being out for hours makes no sense to anybody but the people who hate wolverine. Because explain the fire to me. a blast like that would have incinerated anything to sustain it... yet it was still going when Nitro stood up. and you'll note his clothes didn't catch fire either, nor his hair... So he was up before they could catch fire.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because explain the fire to me. a blast like that would have incinerated anything to sustain it... yet it was still going when Nitro stood up. and you'll note his clothes didn't catch fire either, nor his hair... So he was up before they could catch fire.

the only way I can explain it is artistic freedoms the artist took...it wouldn't be the first or the last time an artist drew things that don't make sense

Originally posted by Master-Borg
the only way I can explain it is artistic freedoms the artist took...it wouldn't be the first or the last time an artist drew things that don't make sense
The only way that you can explain it so that it takes hours you mean rather than accepting that it might have been much less you mean.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The only way that you can explain it so that it takes hours you mean rather than accepting that it might have been much less you mean.
meh...you could choose to go with what you interpret from the art or go by what's stated onpanel...I choose to go with the latter as being more credible source

Originally posted by Master-Borg
meh...you could choose to go with what you interpret from the art or go by what's stated onpanel...I choose to go with the latter as being more credible source
Because its always accurate and never subject to hyperbole right?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
the only way I can explain it is artistic freedoms the artist took...it wouldn't be the first or the last time an artist drew things that don't make sense

Nope, Guggenheim already said that the artist depicted EXACTLY what he asked him to depict when fans went into an uproar thinking that Wolverine being reduced to a mere skeleton was a mistake through artistic expression when it wasn't.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
meh...you could choose to go with what you interpret from the art or go by what's stated onpanel...I choose to go with the latter as being more credible source
Not according to Guggenheim.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
On-panel proof of what? The ambiguous torture pit scene where he may or may not have had his brain penetrated again? We already went through this, as you yourself recall. The bullet may have penetrated his brain in the torture pit and pushed the bullet out through his eye. This is much more plausible since the New X-Men issue was published AFTER the torture pit. More recent and clearly on-panel. I just responded to this thread with my opinion. You don't like my opinions that's fine. But by your accounting, an ambiguous and older scan trumps a clear and newer scan. Your cup of tea.

You read posts like you read comics, subjectively ommitting what you don't like. We've seen Wolverine's adamantium skull the eyesockets lacking a hole passible for the bullet to go through.
Ambiguous so we'll assume that it helps your argument.. yup.. figures.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're trying to connect Sabretooth's HF performance with boneclaw Wolverine's comments... and then use boneclaw Wolverine's healing factor at it's peak as the backdrop for this current fight... What the schmuck?
Wolverine flat out said Sabretooth healed faster than he did. I don't see the problem here.
You'll accept that he has holes in his skull but you don't trust that Sabretooth heals faster than him though he's seen himself heal a majillion times... 😕

Subjective.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you know what's easier? Just measuring his current healing factor with his current performance post-Azrael.

Easier to do what? Do find that his HF isn't as strong as it was several months ago?

Yeah, but if we're going to buy into Logan's assumption that his HF isn't what it's been in years then we have to see how many years back he's refferring to... His most ridiculous HF feats being AFTER he got his adamantium back.

His "performance" outdoes his boneclaw performance. So he's clearly better than he was then.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And what's happened since then? Wolverine's been put down by a single bullet, twice.

In his brain.. Which is what SHOULD happen, pre Azreal OR post... 😐

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
and put down by a hail of bullets.

In the desert... does context mean nothing to you? 😐

Hell, if you're going to ignore context are you going to ignore the concept of a low showing too?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No equivocation, all on-panel and all recent. Although it's interesting that you think current Wolverine HF > boneclaw Wolverine HF, it doesn't really matter. I care about his current healing factor, post-downgrade. And as it is, current Wolverine can be put down by single shots to the brain and a hail of bullets.

To the brain should always be that way....
In the desert which directly impacts his HF... like the last time a half dozen bullets took him down in the desert... 😐

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't think it's ludicrous considering that's actually what's been happening on-panel post-Azrael:
On panel DP threw everything he had at him and couldn't take him down. HE HAD to resort to the brain shot.
On panel Wolverine took a Cyclops blast with a fire upgrade from a supersrkull and kept fighting it.
On panel he took down half the wrecking crew and got a hole blown through his chest to stand up a few moments later.
On panel he stood up to having his entire torso blown out and then had Scrambler mess up his HF and he still healed later....

But let's ignore all his current good showings. Hell let's ignore that he took bullets 100 times better in the desert and recovered 100 times faster than he did in the 90's and keep thinking that a few bullets are capable of taking Wolverine down... why? Because we hate Wolverine, and as long as we can pretend we're ignorant to what we don't like, it never happened, and OUR VERSION of Wolverine is the only one that matters... 😉

the desert dampens Wolverine's HF, where do you get that?

Originally posted by Mindset
the desert dampens Wolverine's HF, where do you get that?

I think he might be able to get scans that can provide evidence. The only problem is hes been gunned down in the city as well, so the fact that the desert reduces his Hf doesnt mean anything.

so now Wolverine's HF is affected by the desert...I seriously think I've heard everything possible about Wolverine

the little runt that could walk away after being dropped in molten steel is affected by the heat of the friggin desert!!

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think he might be able to get scans that can provide evidence. The only problem is hes been gunned down in the city as well, so the fact that the desert reduces his Hf doesnt mean anything.

I'm not saying it isn't true, I've just never heard that before and I want to know where he got it from.

Originally posted by Mindset
the desert dampens Wolverine's HF, where do you get that?
Posted a couple pages back.. It's from the last time he was gunned down in the desert..

Originally posted by jinzin
Posted a couple pages back.. It's from the last time he was gunned down in the desert..

Originally posted by jinzin

Anyway Wolverine got gunned down in the city.

Oh, you mean dehydration, not that the desert actually weakens his HF.

That doesn't mean in the situation where he was recently gunned down his HF was working on a lower level.

Just sayin