Originally posted by jinzinHow do you know it was to minutes? And it was the 80's iirc. Logan didn't fight off the infection himself. Lilith was reading out of the Darkhold iirc. Nothing to do with Logans healing powers fighting off the effects of the bite.
For to minutes back in the 70's.....Do you not get the point of lethality becoming a momentary annoyance. The bite wasn't lethal, it doesn't even rank as a momentary annoyance.
I'll post em later.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
. ok nitro after blowing up wolverine falls unconsious, he wakes up a while later with wolverine still a skeleton and has time to walk around before calling his boss to inform him hes "Killed" wolverineso yes it took a few hours for olverine to regenerate
Originally posted by snoopdoggI don't see how werewolves have anything to do with a fight against Blade. Wolverine has been turned into a vampire. So did Storm and the other X-Men. He can be turned into a vampire. And Maximus Lobo was a mutant, not a werewolf. Oh, and he eviscerated Wolverine straight up and Northstar had to retreat Wolverine away at Angel's orders, "I've seen Wolverine heal from some pretty incredible damage. But he needs time and safety."
Well he's already been shown to be effected by vampire bites.Let's see some scans of this werewolf instance. I remember Logan getting diced up by Maximus Lobo but he's not a werewolf of legend.
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine had his heart blown up in 'Secret War,' by Agent Daisy Johnson. That occurred before the Lazaer storyline. Wolverine has been put down by bullets three separate times since then. When Deadpool shot him through the throat, Wolverine was unconscious long enough for Deadpool to drag him back to a warehouse in the below scan.
Before the downgrade but after a knock down drag out fight with Sabes.... Pffft... Hell, Sabes was trying to break his neck and made him lose conciousness before that.On the other hand Wolverine has been stabbed in the heart by Lady Deathstrike and hasn't even slowed the pace of battle, he's had his heart blown up and recovered in three panels.
As far as I see, this is a pretty close match. I believe Wolverine is more skilled than Blade. But they rival each other in strength and agility and healing factors. And having read snoopdogg's scan and Blade's trump card of using vampire blood (how clever!), I think that evens up the odds even more.
Split 5/10 tentatively.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
How do you know it was to minutes? And it was the 80's iirc. Logan didn't fight off the infection himself. Lilith was reading out of the Darkhold iirc. Nothing to do with Logans healing powers fighting off the effects of the bite.
Uh.. she never finished the spell so her reading a darkhold spell means nothing. If she finished the spell Wolverine would have been dead.
It's two minutes (being generous) because it took the amount of time for Collosus to punch Wolverine, Dracula to fall to his knees, and Nightcrawler to get choked but not choked out for Wolverine to heal... Looking at those facts is more probable that it was some 20 to 30 seconds.
Logan healed his vampire bite.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't see how werewolves have anything to do with a fight against Blade. Wolverine has been turned into a vampire. So did Storm and the other X-Men. He can be turned into a vampire. And Maximus Lobo was a mutant, not a werewolf. Oh, and he eviscerated Wolverine straight up and Northstar had to retreat Wolverine away at Angel's orders, "I've seen Wolverine heal from some pretty incredible damage. But he needs time and safety."
Wolverine had his heart blown up in 'Secret War,' by Agent Daisy Johnson. That occurred before the Lazaer storyline. Wolverine has been put down by bullets three separate times since then. When Deadpool shot him through the throat, Wolverine was unconscious long enough for Deadpool to drag him back to a warehouse in the below scan.As far as I see, this is a pretty close match. I believe Wolverine is more skilled than Blade. But they rival each other in strength and agility and healing factors. And having read snoopdogg's scan and Blade's trump card of using vampire blood (how clever!), I think that evens up the odds even more.
Split 5/10 tentatively.
Second bullet feat was against Deadpool after DP threw everything he had at Logan and the kitchen sink and couldn't put Logan down.
Third was in a desert environment that obstructs his HF and he took hundreds.... 😬
Yeah... downgraded. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzinDo you find it a coincidence that Colossus turned normal at the exact moment Logan did?
Uh.. she never finished the spell so her reading a darkhold spell means nothing. If she finished the spell Wolverine would have been dead.It's two minutes (being generous) because it took the amount of time for Collosus to punch Wolverine, Dracula to fall to his knees, and Nightcrawler to get choked but not choked out for Wolverine to heal... Looking at those facts is more probable that it was some 20 to 30 seconds.
Logan healed his vampire bite.
Originally posted by jinzin
No.. It took him a while to fight Azreal and beat him in a fight to come back since y'know "lately he's been getting harder and harder to beat".
Once we see Wolverine's HF go into action, he completely healed from a Skeleton before Nitro could finish a phone conversation.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Do you find it a coincidence that Colossus turned normal at the exact moment Logan did?
Uh no, because I read the story.
Colossus was under Lilith's control, Wolverine wasn't. He was bitten by Dracula so her losing control over Colossus means dick for trying to rationalize why Wolverine turned normal. It wasn't the spell, if it was, Wolverine and Drac would be dead. If the spell turned Logan human, it would have done the same for Drac too. All that happened was Lilith started losing control when Storm jumped Kitty. Makes sense. Wolverine turning normal at the same time that she lost control IS a coincidence.
And it makes sense too. The effects of the werewolf virus didn't last on Wolverine for more than a minute, given my previous estimate of the time it's just the right amount of time to revert.
Originally posted by jinzinI know Colossus was under lilith's control. I just find it rather suspicious that Colossus regained his nuts at the exact moment Logan did. Lilith lost some power at the exact same moment also.
Uh no, because I read the story.Colossus was under Lilith's control, Wolverine wasn't. He was bitten by Dracula so her losing control over Colossus means dick for trying to rationalize why Wolverine turned normal. It wasn't the spell, if it was, Wolverine and Drac would be dead. If the spell turned Logan human, it would have done the same for Drac too. All that happened was Lilith started losing control when Storm jumped Kitty. Makes sense. Wolverine turning normal at the same time that she lost control IS a coincidence.
And it makes sense too. The effects of the werewolf virus didn't last on Wolverine for more than a minute, given my previous estimate of the time it's just the right amount of time to revert.
This isn't directed to any one person.
Cripes! If it's not a Wolverine thread it's a Hulk thread. If it's not a Hulk thread it's a Darkseid thread. If it's not a Darkseid thread it's.....etc. You get the idea.
People have different opinions. Different writers portray characters differently. Sometimes a character will be written contrary from another appearance. There's nothing that can be done about that.
What can be done is people remember the we're debating fictional characters. Please be civil.
Edit: durfist durverine
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
no the issue shows his healing factor kick in while nitro is still unconcious
If by kick in you mean he had one eye and his microscopic nuerons where beginning to regenerate... He healed 99% of his body mass in the time it took Nitro to walk to his car... It wasn't hours. 😐
Originally posted by snoopdoggLilith lost her advantage of surprise. Why she lost control of Colossus seems to me to be directed to Storm jumping kitty and talking some sense into her or at least calling out Lilith. Wolverine wasn't under Lilith's control, and Drac didn't turn human from a spell that never got completed. Wolverine healed from the bite.
I know Colossus was under lilith's control. I just find it rather suspicious that Colossus regained his nuts at the exact moment Logan did. Lilith lost some power at the exact same moment also.
Originally posted by jinzin
If by kick in you mean he had one eye and his microscopic nuerons where beginning to regenerate... He healed 99% of his body mass in the time it took Nitro to walk to his car... It wasn't hours. 😐
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
first was the fight with the guy then his optic nerves started to kick in that tim enitro feel unconsious woke up and had a conversation with hsi employer
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.. but the fact is Wolverine healed 99% of his body in 5 minutes.. and it's not the first time either....
Wolverine gets blasted by a plasma weapon that reduces him to an admantium skeleton, the next panel he's shown in he's already covered in flesh, and after a few more short minutes he's nearly fully healed:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9547/thesuitwf0.jpg
2. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4983/thesuit2kp9.jpg
3. http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1226/thesuit3jb9.jpg
Originally posted by jinzinthat was definently longer than 5 minutes
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.. but the fact is Wolverine healed 99% of his body in 5 minutes.. and it's not the first time either....Wolverine gets blasted by a plasma weapon that reduces him to an admantium skeleton, the next panel he's shown in he's already covered in flesh, and after a few more short minutes he's nearly fully healed:
1. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9547/thesuitwf0.jpg
2. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4983/thesuit2kp9.jpg
3. http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1226/thesuit3jb9.jpg
for nitro to fall unconcsious wake up and talk to his boss is deifnently more than 5 minutes
Originally posted by jinzin1. It doesn't matter if you think it's impossible since we're talking about a comic book character who happens to be a mutant with an already odd bone structure. It happened on-panel and was a knockout and per forum customs, a win. Deal with it. So point against you.
Two have been in his brain. Which should put him down... One was impossible and Wolverine was getting up immediately so that proves nothing more than Wolverine's "downgraded" HF being faster than Sabretooth's from 3 years ago, which was faster than Wolverine's bone claw healing factor.. So point against you.Second bullet feat was against Deadpool after DP threw everything he had at Logan and the kitchen sink and couldn't put Logan down.
Third was in a desert environment that obstructs his HF and he took hundreds.... 😬
Yeah... downgraded. 🙄
2. It was the bullet to the brain that knocked him out. Same as the above instance. Everything else leading up to that point was to make Wolverine mad. And considering that you're trying to convince people that Wolverine's healing factor is uber, I find it disingenuous that you're arguing Wolverine's healing factor was so taxed by that point, that was why he was unconscious for so long. It's one or the other. You can't have it both ways. Either his healing factor can be taxed and overcome, or a single bullet to the brain through either his eye or throat takes him out. Considering that he's been taken out before by a single bullet to the brain, on-panel evidence dictates the latter.
And considering his encounter with Deadpool. You really think his boneclaw healing factor is on par with his current one? Wolverine got hit by a duck bomb, two shuriken grenades, a waitress punch, a piano and was rolled over by a delivery truck that exploded. That knocked him out of the game for twenty minutes, ON-PANEL. I've seen bone-claw Wolverine rolled over by a truck before and he healed in seconds, post-Fatal Attractions. No way that the extra explosions (which didn't even engulf him in flames) account for the difference between those two instances. For you to argue that current HF is equal to his boneclaw HF is ludicrous.
3. Desert environment obstructs his healing factor? Says you. Even I don't make this claim. And you only assume it was hundreds of bullets. Considering he appears to have a hundred bullet holes in him on-panel, please don't try to inflate the feat.
Yes downgraded. As suggested by Azrael, as admitted by Wolverine and even mocked by X-23. ALL ON-PANEL. His healing factor is downgraded to such a degree that bullets take him out. Especially bullets to the brain. ON-PANEL.
