Thor vs Red Hulk

Originally posted by quanchi112
So,you are basing this entirely off of their first encounter alone. You also seem to forget he used Thor's own hammer to beat him. In the rematch Thor punked him with his hammer.

When's the last time anybody who fought Thor managed to physically take his own hammer against him? Yeah, virtually never.

So because Rulk managed to take Thor's hammer, that shows he is at least as powerful (most likely more so) than Thor. Unless you think someone weaker than Thor can replicate the feat...in which case, we have nothing further to discuss.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So,you are basing this entirely off of their first encounter alone. You also seem to forget he used Thor's own hammer to beat him. In the rematch Thor punked him with his hammer.

what happens in the current issue is Savage Hulk taking Red Hulk down, with Thor getting in a few cheap shots.

think of this, Red Hulk couldn't kill Savage Hulk in the initial encounter, he changed his plans because he realised this fact. Thor on the otherhand, was as disposable as a diaper... why would that change in this fight? because Savage Hulk was stretching Red to his limits, that's why.

Originally posted by janus77
I'm basing this off of their only true encounter.
Thor faced off against Red Hulk and was annihilated. simple as.

doncha get it...Thor was holding back in their initial encounter. 😉

I mean, if you were Thor and you saw a mean angry looking red version of the Hulk coming at you, wouldn't you choose to hold back?

Originally posted by Starscream M
doncha get it...Thor was holding back in their initial encounter. 😉

I mean, if you were Thor and you saw a mean angry looking red version of the Hulk coming at you, wouldn't you choose to hold back?

oh yeah, I forgot about that.
good point.

I'm often left exasperated by how much they make Thor hold back, if he'd fully unleashed the God(awful)Force... he might have given Red Hulk a ... singed eyebrow or something 😕

Wasn't Rulk holding back here? Instead of killing Hulk (as Thor admits he could have), Rulk chose to allow Thor to live. See, thats clear case of holding back.

So, if you already won a battle, you have to kill the beaten opponent to show you were going all out?

Originally posted by janus77
oh yeah, I forgot about that.
good point.

I'm often left exasperated by how much they make Thor hold back, if he'd fully unleashed the God(awful)Force... he might have given Red Hulk a ... singed eyebrow or something 😕

Originally posted by Red Hulk
So, if you already won a battle, you have to kill the beaten opponent to show you were going all out?

😐

But this is the Thor people logic.

Thor attacked Rulk.

Rulk was unfazed.

Therefore, Thor must've held back. No other explanation for it. Can't possibly be that Rulk was the more powerful of the two during their first encounter.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
So, if you already won a battle, you have to kill the beaten opponent to show you were going all out?

😐

Red Hulk was dismissive (rightfully) of Thor. there's no indication whatsoever of Red Hulk going all out against Thor, but there is plenty of on-panel proof of Thor's power being insignificant (literally) in the face of Red Hulk.

come on, this is just sad... how can you even think to suggest that Thor has any chance against Red Hulk? might as well pit Gladiator against Galactus 😐

Originally posted by janus77
if you're going all out, then you don't casually punt the opponent's helmet, clap your hands in a self-satisfied way and leap back to Earth

Originally posted by janus77

come on, this is just sad... how can you even think to suggest that Thor has any chance against Red Hulk? might as well pit Gladiator against Galactus 😐

didn't you read the comic dood?

After Rulk got burned up in reentry and crashed on to earth...remember how he was surprised he even survived. In his own words: "Incredible...I survived the fall". Clearly he was very weakened.

Then the Green Hulk came attacking Rulk, not giving Rulk a chance to recoup from his fiery landing.

And Rulk was holding his own against an enraged Green hulk.

And then *BAM*.

Out of nowhere Mjolnir slams straight into Rulk.

And Thor then proceeds to beat on Rulk and have him on the ropes.

So of course Thor is more powerful, as demonstrated in the beating he gave Rulk under such fair conditions. 🙄

Originally posted by Starscream M
Wasn't Rulk holding back here? Instead of killing Hulk (as Thor admits he could have), Rulk chose to allow Thor to live. See, thats clear case of holding back.

Thor did not say, "By allowing to me live you have assured...."

He said "To Leave me alive..."

Which can mean one of two things. One Rulk could have killed him so yes the possibility is there, or Thor was simply stating that at that point the only way to avoid Thor's anger is to have killed him, which does or doesn't mean Rulk could have.

Now back to your point as bad as it was. No letting someone live doesn't mean you were holding back, as that was after the fight. There is no signs that Rulk was holding back during the fight, and there is no precedent like Thor to state he normally does hold back.

Now unto other points. First off I don't think anyone was saying Rulk couldn't hurt Thor or even possibly kill him. It isn't like Thor is the Juggernaut completely immune to damage. There are plenty of people that can hurt Thor when or we isn't holding back.

The point is there is a difference between beating a Thor that is holding back and one that isn't.

If you want me to iterate this point. Read a couple of classic Thor comics.

Step one) Thor meets new villain, and attacks said villain. Generally he doesn't use his best or most powerful attacks. This is well documented as is normal he gets hurt, Koed, or butt-whooped first encounter for underestimating and not wanting to kill the villain.

Then step two of a classic Thor comic) Thor comes back and manhandles said villain because now he isn't holding back. He is being ruthless, and not letting the person get s chance to hurt him.

Say doesn't that sound like Hulk issues 5 and 6 😛

Originally posted by Starscream M
no, Im not saying that Rulk didn't go all out in the battle (their 1st encounter), perhaps he did. Im just pointing out that Rulk clearly had a moment where he could've killed Thor, and he held back whereas the people who claim Thor held back are using some faulty logic.

But this is the Thor people logic.

Thor attacked Rulk.

Rulk was unfazed.

Therefore, Thor must've held back. No other explanation for it. Can't possibly be that Rulk was the more powerful of the two during their first encounter.

Originally posted by janus77
come on, this is just sad... how can you even think to suggest that Thor has any chance against Red Hulk? might as well pit Gladiator against Galactus 😐

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't you read the comic dood?

After Rulk got burned up in reentry and crashed on to earth...remember how he was surprised he even survived. In his own words: "Incredible...I survived the fall". Clearly he was very weakened.

Then the Green Hulk came attacking Rulk, not giving Rulk a chance to recoup from his fiery landing.

And Rulk was holding his own against an enraged Green hulk.

And then *BAM*.

Out of nowhere Mjolnir slams straight into Rulk.

And Thor then proceeds to beat on Rulk and have him on the ropes.

So of course Thor is more powerful, as demonstrated in the beating he gave Rulk under such fair conditions. 🙄

The only time he was pointed out to be weakened was before he got put down by Grulk...

Originally posted by Newjak

If you want me to iterate this point. Read a couple of classic Thor comics.

Step one) Thor meets new villain, and attacks said villain. Generally he doesn't use his best or most powerful attacks. This is well documented as is normal he gets hurt, Koed, or butt-whooped first encounter for underestimating and not wanting to kill the villain.

Then step two of a classic Thor comic) Thor comes back and manhandles said villain because now he isn't holding back. He is being ruthless, and not letting the person get s chance to hurt him.

Say doesn't that sound like Hulk issues 5 and 6 😛

Newjak, Im not saying Rulk is nec. more powerful or less powerful.

Imo, Rulk soundly beat Thor round 1. But you may be right that Thor was holding back. I don't think its definitive, but its very possible, I'll give you that.

My point is lets be fair and don't use the second fight as somehow concrete proof that Thor is more powerful than Rulk.

Rulk was weakened by reenty (perhaps the heat weakened him) and he was in the middle of fighting an angry Hulk. So to me, that isn't a fair fight. I would say the same thing if it was the other way around.

Could Thor be more powerful than Rulk? certainly. I just don't think we have concrete evidence of either definitively being more powerful just yet.

Fight 1: People say Thor held back.

Fight 2: Rulk was weakened and in the middle of a fight.

So I don't think based on those two fights, we can reach a conclusion either way.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Or he was just surprised that he survived the fall as he's never done it before... 😐

Thats like Doomsday beating Superman and then being shocked that being hit by a minivan didn't kill him.

Im not dismissing your idea, but I just find it unlikely. I think the heat of the reentry had some adverse effect on him.

Thor was never holding back...he simply underestimated Rulk.

Problem was, Rulk then underestimated Thor...and because of that hehad to fight both Thor and Hulk while weakened.

He was still beating the Sh*t out of Hulk till he overexerted himself and apparently overheated (which IMO had something to do with the heat of reentry as well) which allowed Hulk to get the last blow.

At this time, Rulk seems to be by far the more physically powerful one between Thor, Hulk, and himself.

Thor's Mjolnir is still more powerful than all 3 thus making Thor the most powerful person in a battle.

However, if he isn't careful. Rulk still has the ability to take him out in an one on one.

Hopefully we'll get rematches at some point.

Originally posted by Avlon
Thor was never holding back...he simply underestimated Rulk.

Problem was, Rulk then underestimated Thor...and because of that hehad to fight both Thor and Hulk while weakened.

He was still beating the Sh*t out of Hulk till he overexerted himself and apparently overheated (which IMO had something to do with the heat of reentry as well) which allowed Hulk to get the last blow.

At this time, Rulk seems to be by far the more physically powerful one between Thor, Hulk, and himself.

Thor's Mjolnir is still more powerful than all 3 thus making Thor the most powerful person in a battle.

However, if he isn't careful. Rulk still has the ability to take him out in an one on one.

Hopefully we'll get rematches at some point.

Originally posted by Avlon

Hopefully we'll get rematches at some point.

What I took from the first fight is Thor thought Hulk was red now and didn't really care or think much of the encounter then got beat up because of that.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Why did Thor give Rulk his hammer....oh wait, no he didn't. Rulk grabbed the hammer like candy from a baby. Wouldn't that be a sign of superiority?

When's the last time anybody who fought Thor managed to physically take his own hammer against him? Yeah, virtually never.

So because Rulk managed to take Thor's hammer, that shows he is at least as powerful (most likely more so) than Thor. Unless you think someone weaker than Thor can replicate the feat...in which case, we have nothing further to discuss.