actually there are only 7 'confirmed' on-panel omegas and franklin IS one. the others are:
mr m
quentin quire
vulcan
jean
iceman
elixir
apparently omega is meant to mean that these entities are close to/have the potential to achieve a 'final stage of evolution'. what that means is still kinda vague. there is some evidence that seems to suggest that omegas could in time become 'cosmic' beings -- ie -- abstract beings. obviously all the omegas we have seen are a little ways away from achieving that end . . .
still makes for interesting discussion.
Originally posted by llagrokI agree, I'm not sure where they get the "unlimited potential" from.
Originally posted by llagrokI suppose Hyperstorm or Franklin Richards would be two examples?
Franklin does have what one would consider the power to do anything,
on a specific scale, but still, within that scale, literally anything.
Hyperstorm could've been so much more, at-least on paper he was,
but on panel he was owned fairly easily by Galactus,
not that getting owned by Galactus is a low showing necessarily, but, I'm just sayin.
mr m had real potential as well. if marvel wants people to start taking the whole omega thing seriously, they really need to start making these guys out to be more than they have been. aside from franklin (and to some extent jean, but her omega staus is clouded by the whole phoenix issue) we really haven't seen, well . . . much at all. 😬
Originally posted by leonidasactually there are only 7 'confirmed' on-panel omegas and franklin IS one. the others are:
mr m
quentin quire
vulcan
jean
iceman
elixir
Originally posted by leonidasapparently omega is meant to mean that these entities are close to/have the potential to achieve a 'final stage of evolution'. what that means is still kinda vague. there is some evidence that seems to suggest that omegas could in time become 'cosmic' beings -- ie -- abstract beings. obviously all the omegas we have seen are a little ways away from achieving that end . . .
Unless, that IS the final stage of being Omega ... becoming Eternity,
but then that would mean, that every Human being will become a mutant,
then evolve,
until finally they become Eternity themselves.
Originally posted by leonidas
still makes for interesting discussion.
Originally posted by leonidasmr m had real potential as well.
if marvel wants people to start taking the whole omega thing seriously,
they really need to start making these guys out to be more than they have been.aside from franklin (and to some extent jean,
but her omega staus is clouded by the whole phoenix issue)
we really haven't seen, well . . . much at all.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSorry got the name wrong with MJJ was thinking of Mr. M.
Thanx.But that's the destiny of all Mankind, to become Eternitys of their own. (on panel)
Unless, that IS the final stage of being Omega ... becoming Eternity,
but then that would mean, that every Human being will become a mutant,
then evolve,
until finally they become Eternity themselves.👆
But that'd make sense right as far as evolutionary growth goes...
Humans (Homo Sapien) -> Mutant (Homo Superior) -> Omega level mutant (Homo supreme(I think thats what it was)) and so on up to the more powerful beings...
Jean might technically be the closest of the confirmed as she became a part of the system as it were.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanx.But that's the destiny of all Mankind, to become Eternitys of their own. (on panel)
Unless, that IS the final stage of being Omega ... becoming Eternity,
but then that would mean, that every Human being will become a mutant,
then evolve,
until finally they become Eternity themselves.👆
i think you hit it right on from what i understand. eventually homo superior will replace homo sapiens and all homo superior will in time evolve into omegas or there will be ONLY omegas in mankind's 'final stage'. i guess that final stage could be that we all become abstracts, though i've never much cared for how that was depicted in that oft-discussed series . . .
Originally posted by llagrokMr.Master is already an abstract 😛
Originally posted by CreshoskBut that'd make sense right as far as evolutionary growth goes...
Humans (Homo Sapien) -> Mutant (Homo Superior) -> Omega level mutant (Homo supreme(I think thats what it was)) and so on up to the more powerful beings...
Originally posted by CreshoskJean might technically be the closest of the confirmed
as she became a part of the system as it were.
Originally posted by leonidasi think you hit it right on from what i understand. eventually homo superior will replace homo sapiens and all homo superior will in time evolve into omegas or there will be ONLY omegas in mankind's 'final stage'. i guess that final stage could be that we all become abstracts
Originally posted by leonidas
though i've never much cared for how that was depicted in that oft-discussed series . . .
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo its not what stamps her as an omega but it might simply be a manifestation of her power. Like Iceman having a connection to ice isn't what makes him an omega its just the manifestation of his power.
🙂 😂Sounds about right.
I wouldn't consider Jean's attachment to the Force as what stamps her as an "omega"
as I understand it, these "omegas" reach their potential on their own,
without outside interference.
See what I'm getting at?
Iceman can do more than just cover himself in snow, he can do more than just cover himself in ice, heck, if our speculations are right then he can do more than become ice, but as was stated before he's never really pushed to tap into the power on his own. But just because they haven't doesn't mean they can't. Like when he first debuted, he never turned himself into ice. But that didn't mean he couldn't. It wasn't until Emma frost was in his body, and she pushed to tap into powers he was unaware of, that he became aware that he could.
So its sort of a "ad ignorantiam" thing. Just because they don't know they can, doesn't mean they can't.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I wouldn't consider Jean's attachment to the Force as what stamps her as an "omega"
as I understand it, these "omegas" reach their potential on their own,
without outside interference.
i agree. rachel isn't omega but wielded the force as well. her omega status should be viewed seperately from her having been chosen by the force. unless there is some evidence she was chosen BECAUSE she was omega . . .
Originally posted by leonidasIts why there are so many different variations of animal and plant life anyway. There isn't just one kind of primate for example. And the existence of the better path doesn't mean that the worse ones don't still perpetuate and branch off again later.
good question. could be a seperate branch of the homo sapiens evolutionary tree? not mutant, but more than human. there is no guarantee evolutionarily speaking that we MUST become homo superior. not if evolution can find something better.shrug
So what you say certainly makes sense.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No its not what stamps her as an omega but it might simply be a manifestation of her power. Like Iceman having a connection to ice isn't what makes him an omega its just the manifestation of his power.See what I'm getting at?
Iceman can do more than just cover himself in snow, he can do more than just cover himself in ice, heck, if our speculations are right then he can do more than become ice, but as was stated before he's never really pushed to tap into the power on his own. But just because they haven't doesn't mean they can't. Like when he first debuted, he never turned himself into ice. But that didn't mean he couldn't. It wasn't until Emma frost was in his body, and she pushed to tap into powers he was unaware of, that he became aware that he could.
So its sort of a "ad ignorantiam" thing. Just because they don't know they can, doesn't mean they can't.
hrm. sounds like you're suggesting manifesting the force was a result of jean's power as opposed to the force (which existed long before and independent of jean) choosing jean as an avatar.
i can agree entirely with the rest of your post, but that first part puzzles me . . . mhmm