Originally posted by Odekahn
Current Hal stomps.
Idiocy.
So every time a character has a high end showing he stomps until the next big outing from someone?
I remember when Surfer had his T&A showing and everyone said he stomps this and that guy. Or when Superman bench pressed the Earth and suddenly he was stronger then like anyone. You think people would learn by now.
This is particularly dumb since Green Lanterns have been relatively weaksauce under Johns. Compared to Kyle's solo era anyways.
Originally posted by Odekahn
What of surfers non amped feats compare to the recent Hal feats?And if its an average of the characters I can agree that it's no stomp in either direction. But I'm looking at the latest outings as there's nothing to suggest he's going back to having normal Hal feats in the near future, he's the leader of the entire GL corps now.
He has plenty of feats that compare to Hal's and arguably a higher "average" consistency to his.
It just seems silly to me to take a recent feat, especially a high end one, and assume he'll be written at that level consistently in future issues. By all means, factor in new feats for a character's performance as a whole, but it makes little sense to think he (Hal) is suddenly operating on a level that makes him so far beyond his peers.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Idiocy.So every time a character has a high end showing he stomps until the next big outing from someone?
I remember when Surfer had his T&A showing and everyone said he stomps this and that guy. Or when Superman bench pressed the Earth and suddenly he was stronger then like anyone. You think people would learn by now.
This is particularly dumb since Green Lanterns have been relatively weaksauce under Johns. Compared to Kyle's solo era anyways.
It's not that he's had a huge feat, it's that he's had MULTIPLE huge feats all within the span of a few years. Hal from JL gets his shit pushed in. Current Hal from the GL book stomps IMO.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He has plenty of feats that compare to Hal's and arguably a higher "average" consistency to his.It just seems silly to me to take a recent feat, especially a high end one, and assume he'll be written at that level consistently in future issues. By all means, factor in new feats for a character's performance as a whole, but it makes little sense to think he (Hal) is suddenly operating on a level that makes him so far beyond his peers.
I get what you're saying, again it's just due to his multiple feats. What if Superman had that earth benching record, and some others that topped that within the past year or so? We would assume him on another level.
Originally posted by Odekahn
It's not that he's had a huge feat, it's that he's had MULTIPLE huge feats all within the span of a few years. Hal from JL gets his shit pushed in. Current Hal from the GL book stomps IMO.
Hal could do double the feats you're thinking of and people would still discredit him or not give him the edge. TBH, Hal has had a ton of uber feats even before Johns got a hold of him.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I get what you're saying, again it's just due to his multiple feats. What if Superman had that earth benching record, and some others that topped that within the past year or so? We would assume him on another level.
If Superman had a crazy high end feat (which he likely will within a few months) but was still portrayed as being the single most powerful being on DC Earth with the usual suspects consistently being peers to him one way or the other, his overall power level would still be the same. Hal has had some great feats which is cool.
To act like Hal is suddenly, what, Trans Tier or above is insane, which is what he'd have to be to stomp Surfer soundly.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Hal could do double the feats you're thinking of and people would still discredit him or not give him the edge. TBH, Hal has had a ton of uber feats even before Johns got a hold of him.
The problem with this is that it's almost entirely dependent on looking at Hal's feats, not whoever he's matched up against. Plenty of people like Green Lantern, myself included. Not thinking he's suddenly on a whole other level of power isn't discrediting him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The problem with this is that it's almost entirely dependent on looking at Hal's feats, not whoever he's matched up against. Plenty of people like Green Lantern, myself included. Not thinking he's suddenly on a whole other level of power isn't discrediting him.
I don't think Hal is in another league, either, but his past feats (Pre-John's) isn't widely known, mainly because he became popular when he took over. I think accounting for ALL feats, other than Pre-Crisis, it's a close battle.
Originally posted by Golgo13
I don't think Hal is in another league, either, but his past feats (Pre-John's) isn't widely known, mainly because he became popular when he took over. I think accounting for ALL feats, other than Pre-Crisis, it's a close battle.
It is a close fight, with arguments being able to be made for Hal or Norrin.
Johns' GLs typically aren't as versatile, but in terms of power output, they're more than a match for the GLs post-crisis.
Honestly my thought process was that this was Hals second rebirth (if you will), and the prior feats like krona busting were merely contractions of Hal's ultimate and final rebirth. I did believe that he was at a level higher than surfer as he is now the GL corps and fought toe to toe with sinestrolax. But really we have to wait and see if these are merely feats or a powerup to a character.