Originally posted by fangirl101Give Thor superspeed like Flash, and... what exactly does Flash have to do with any of this?
give flash time to speed up to where thor's hammer was, and a pair of gloves that are indestructible in the same nature as thor's hammer, and he sure will have the same effect. i'm talking about strength. yes we know thor hits hard as hell. truly. one hit from his hammer made superman totally bleed. but if thor had time, to swing his hammer like he did against the celestial, building up momentum, superman would have died. thus the feat is not a strength feat. it's a momentum and density of the hammer feat.
OK.
So, the Belt of Strength had nothing to do with it then? Oh, OK cool. I guess Wolverine could also do it if he got his fists going at an OK speed. All he has to do is build up momentum, and Wolverine too, can be smashing his way into Exitar! 🙄
Plus, you do realize that Thor's strength is behind the hammer, don't you? Thor gets it spinning that fast, Thor gets it to hit that hard.
And in another occurrence, Thor was smashing off pieces of Celestials with full swings.
Either way, all this could possibly add to, is an explanation of his powers. It doesn't detract. It doesn't make it relevant to anyone other than Thor, as no one else hits like him.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Give Thor superspeed like Flash, and... what exactly does Flash have to do with any of this?OK.
So, the Belt of Strength had nothing to do with it then? Oh, OK cool. I guess Wolverine could also do it if he got his fists going at an OK speed. All he has to do is build up momentum, and Wolverine too, can be smashing his way into Exitar! 🙄
Plus, you do realize that Thor's strength is behind the hammer, don't you? Thor gets it spinning that fast, Thor gets it to hit that hard.
And in another occurrence, Thor was smashing off pieces of Celestials with full swings.
Either way, all this could possibly add to, is an explanation of his powers. It doesn't detract. It doesn't make it relevant to anyone other than Thor, as no one else hits like him.
you miss my point. thor hits hard. yes. but it's all part of the hammer plus momentum backing. yes his strength swings the hammer, but cleary if he were as strong as people make him out to be, he could produce the effects without the hammer. yeah the belt of strength did do something. but the feat is a feat that deals with speed, a magical hammer, a strength amping belt, and an unknown lvl of invulnerability on the part of the celestial.
Originally posted by fangirl101What exactly is your point in all of this? To argue how Thor's hammer works? Because it detracts nothing from Thor's ability to hit with his hammer. And when people use him destroying shit with his hammer, it is highly relevant to forum battles (unless he doesn't have his hammer). It doesn't matter what you call the feat; strength, power - all that matters is that he hits hard with his hammer. And Thanos had to deal with this.
you miss my point. thor hits hard. yes. but it's all part of the hammer plus momentum backing. yes his strength swings the hammer, but cleary if he were as strong as people make him out to be, he could produce the effects without the hammer. yeah the belt of strength did do something. but the feat is a feat that deals with speed, a magical hammer, a strength amping belt, and an unknown lvl of invulnerability on the part of the celestial.
He is as strong as Hercules. This is how strong people make him out to be. And obviously he can't hit as hard as he can without a hammer. This is common sense. No one is saying he can.
You said it wasn't a feat of strength though. You said it had to do with momentum, and the density of the hammer (you didn't say anything else had to do with it). Now you want to go back, and say strength had to do with it? Make up your mind.
The feat has to do with Thor's strength (and this has to deal with how fast he swings it, and how hard he has to slam it down), and his magic 'indestructible' hammer.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What exactly is your point in all of this? To argue how Thor's hammer works? Because it detracts nothing from Thor's ability to hit with his hammer. And when people use him destroying shit with his hammer, it is highly relevant to forum battles (unless he doesn't have his hammer). It doesn't matter what you call the feat; strength, power - all that matters is that he hits hard with his hammer. And Thanos had to deal with this.He is as strong as Hercules. This is how strong people make him out to be. And obviously he can't hit as hard as he can without a hammer. This is common sense. No one is saying he can.
You said it wasn't a feat of strength though. You said it had to do with momentum, and the density of the hammer (you didn't say anything else had to do with it). Now you want to go back, and say strength had to do with it? Make up your mind.
you missed the point. the point was that thanos defeating thor and using thor as a basis of strength for comparison to superman was faulty. thor isn't as strong as superman. all else was really a diverge from the point. people use thor cracking the celestial armor as a strength feat, when it , clearly isn't. not with so many factors involved in it.
Originally posted by fangirl101And if Thor hits harder than Superman?
you missed the point. the point was that thanos defeating thor and using thor as a basis of strength for comparison to superman was faulty. thor isn't as strong as superman. all else was really a diverge from the point. people use thor cracking the celestial armor as a strength feat, when it , clearly isn't. not with so many factors involved in it.
What do you end up with then? And what does lifting have to do with anything? Does lifting decide fights, or does hitting decide fights (in these cases)?
I mean, Thor's lifting feats dwarf Hulk's. And nobody argues that Thor is stronger than Hulk.
It's relevant (or it would have been, had it been without the belt).
All you really seemed to be arguing about was how Thor's hammer works with him behind it, but you missed the point that he has it in fights with Thanos. You missed that he can always hit harder with his hammer, and only seem to be taking into account Thor's strength, and not his hammer + Thor.
Originally posted by fangirl101No it wouldn't have. It's comics. Where Super Adaptoid weighing as much as a mountain can stand on a hill without causing damage to the ground.
your talking about the snake? no it didn't. where is this stated? if it had, the earth would have imploded and been crushed into dust.
And besides, the sheer width, and length of the snake make it large enough to easily destroy the planet judging by the size comparison between the two, had it even stepped 'tail' on the planet.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And if Thor hits harder than Superman?What do you end up with then? And what does lifting have to do with anything? Does lifting decide fights, or does hitting decide fights (in these cases)?
I mean, Thor's lifting feats dwarf Hulk's. And nobody argues that Thor is stronger than Hulk.It's relevant (or it would have been, had it been without the belt).
All you really seemed to be arguing about was how Thor's hammer works with him behind it, but you missed the point that he has it in fights with Thanos.
thor his hard. yes he does. as far as i know, superman is far more durable than thor. so he would last longer in a fight with thanos simply becuz he is more durable. thanos is durable,that is why he last so long. someone could be as strong as thanos but as durable as thor and thor would kill them with the hammer. get what I'm getting at? strength is not what is giving thanos the victory over thor. it's his ability to take more dmg than thor. yes thor hits hard due to his hammer. but i'd dare say superman hits nearly as dangerously since he's invulnerable and can strike many more times than thor can.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfistthat would mean superman and wonder woman held up the wieght of eternity in the spectre's form and when he crashed on the moon, it's comics. there you go. they still have the greater strength feat, going with that logic.
No it wouldn't have. It's comics. Where Super Adaptoid weighing as much as a mountain can stand on a hill without causing damage to the ground.
Originally posted by fangirl101Held up the weight of time?
that would mean superman and wonder woman held up the wieght of eternity in the spectre's form and when he crashed on the moon, it's comics. there you go. they still have the greater strength feat, going with that logic.
And what the hell does that have to do with what I said? I never even disputed that. I'm not trying to have a feat war.
And how does my logic make that even make sense of what you said?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Held up the weight of time?And what the hell does that have to do with what I said? I never even disputed that. I'm not trying to have a feat war.
And how does my logic make that even make sense of what you said?
Originally posted by fangirl101I like how you brought up durability now. To me, it seems you brought it up now that you realize that Thor is as 'strong' as Superman. Heh.
thor his hard. yes he does. as far as i know, superman is far more durable than thor. so he would last longer in a fight with thanos simply becuz he is more durable. thanos is durable,that is why he last so long. someone could be as strong as thanos but as durable as thor and thor would kill them with the hammer. get what I'm getting at? strength is not what is giving thanos the victory over thor. it's his ability to take more dmg than thor. yes thor hits hard due to his hammer. but i'd dare say superman hits nearly as dangerously since he's invulnerable and can strike many more times than thor can.
Thor is incredibly durable (enough to stand in the heart of the sun, take multiple shots by the Fourth Celestial Host, wade through blasts from Odin, take shots from Skyfathers, and stand up to the Odin Force made being, etc), but I thought this was only about strength? Now do we discard an example when you see that your previous example fails?
It seems like you're just trying to throw as many shit out as you can to try and overwhelm me.
I just chimed in to correct the assumption that physical might>anything else. 🙂
And besides, Thanos in his weakest forms (depowered, and pre-hat) has matched Thor's hammer swing + energy. Obviously it's not just his durability that gives him the win over Thor.
OK, cool. Also, just want to throw this out here, but Thor almost never has fought Thanos alone...
Originally posted by fangirl101And your actions support this. 🙂
I'm not either.
Originally posted by fangirl101
my point simply is that superman is stronger and more durable than thor. thus is he somewhere near thanos lvl in those two areas. all else is a diverge. and I was only using the hammer argument to show that thor is NOT as strong as superman. he hits hard due to other factors. such as the hammer and it's swing and ability to fly 3x light speed.
And stronger than Thor, and more durable than Thor = somewhere near Thanos? What? That doesn't even make sense...
But Thor is 'as strong' as Superman when he uses his hammer... so...
And Thor always carries his hammer around. And it's Thor's strength that allows him to throw the hammer this fast.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And your actions support this. 🙂That post had nothing to do with durability...
And stronger than Thor, and more durable than Thor = somewhere near Thanos? What? That doesn't even make sense...
But Thor is 'as strong' as Superman when he uses his hammer... so...
And Thor always carries his hammer around. And it's Thor's strength that allows him to throw the hammer this fast.
no. thor hits as hard as superman due to his hammer. sometimes harder if he has enough swing time. doesn't make him as strong. makes him as formitable in some areas. more in others. superman is stronger than thor. thanos is stronger than thor. where superman lands in comparison to thanos, i dont' know. superman has the greater strength feats even over most of thanos's top tier wins. so i can only sumise that they are somewhere in the same ball park.
Originally posted by fangirl101Yes, and if you'll notice the '' in there, you'll understand what I mean.
no. thor hits as hard as superman due to his hammer. sometimes harder if he has enough swing time. doesn't make him as strong. makes him as formitable in some areas. more in others. superman is stronger than thor. thanos is stronger than thor. where superman lands in comparison to thanos, i dont' know. superman has the greater strength feats even over most of thanos's top tier wins. so i can only sumise that they are somewhere in the same ball park.
Superman is stronger than Thor, but what about the hammer? Are you forgetting this (at every opportunity)? Thor has had his hammer long enough to add it to his powerset, me thinks...
OK. However, just because someone is stronger/more durable than Thor, it doesn't mean they approach Thanos level.