Thanos vs Darkseid(the final time before final crisis)

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Lately, I've started visiting herochat more often and realized that Quanchi isn't really that bad. The level of stupidity on that board is astonishing.

Seriously now, this has gone beyond the point where it's just a simple insult. It's pretty much sharing something very obvious.

For example, here are a few threads just from first page. The thread title also shows stupidity but reading the replies really is entertaining 😂

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,170690.0.html

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,170731.0.html

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,170687.0.html

I feel over there dc gets shit on. Not by all but by the majority of them. Over here I tend to think marvel gets the short end of the stick overall. Supes is hated on herochat while Hulk gets a ton of hate on kmc. I think Superman doesnt get enough respect over there but I feel he gets too much praise over here. So again with my opinion I clash with the majority of both the boards opinions. I feel they crap all over Darkseid too. I know I have in the past but its mainly when I am arguing for Thanos and it has created a rift between the Darkseid and new gods fans here.

I dont like how both boards have little to no respect for the other ones. There are differences and different points of view but that doesnt mean the other side is ignorant or inferior it just means they see it from another perspective. Now with that being said there is a lot of ignorance out there on all the boards as well.

But sinastro for instance seems to be very knowledgeable on the new gods and imperial seems to be very knowledgeable over there with regards to Odin. Even though I have disagreed with both of these posters they know their stuff.

Bottom line is their are good posters over there as their are good posters over here. Its good to be different as well. If their was no opposing viewpoint this wouldnt be as fun. Not everything is as black and white as Batman vs the Spectre people.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
To be fair, Drax ripped out Thanos' heart as well. Kinda funny that both characters went out the same way.

When did Mary Marvel defelct his OE? I've read Countdown and I don't remember that happening. What were the circumstances? And in my opinion, Superman's heat vision was an extension of him and, as such, was imbued with the same protection by the Source. It's the only way that feat really makes sense.

I think the OE is a bit underrated, only because it has had spectacular failings when it is supposedly the most destructive force in DC. Any Darkseid fans know the best feat of the OE? And not the whole 1/5th Cosmic Odyssey thing. Too circumstantial to be a gauge in my view and I certainly think the whole sum was greater then the individual parts together. If it did fail against Mary Marvel... eww...
I definitely see Thanos doing that. He soloed the Avengers, FF and Captain Marvel at one point before his Death upgrade, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, for one I dont care what anyone thinks of me but as you have come to realize I dont change my point of view and try to fit in what each particular board feels is the popular opinion or dominant one.

I feel over there dc gets shit on. Not by all but by the majority of them. Over here I tend to think marvel gets the short end of the stick overall. Supes is hated on herochat while Hulk gets a ton of hate on kmc. I think Superman doesnt get enough respect over there but I feel he gets too much praise over here. So again with my opinion I clash with the majority of both the boards opinions. I feel they crap all over Darkseid too. I know I have in the past but its mainly when I am arguing for Thanos and it has created a rift between the Darkseid and new gods fans here.

I dont like how both boards have little to no respect for the other ones. There are differences and different points of view but that doesnt mean the other side is ignorant or inferior it just means they see it from another perspective. Now with that being said there is a lot of ignorance out there on all the boards as well.

But sinastro for instance seems to be very knowledgeable on the new gods and imperial seems to be very knowledgeable over there with regards to Odin. Even though I have disagreed with both of these posters they know their stuff.

Bottom line is their are good posters over there as their are good posters over here. Its good to be different as well. If their was no opposing viewpoint this wouldnt be as fun. Not everything is as black and white as Batman vs the Spectre people.

To be honest it just sounds like you say, ever think you over rate Hulk along with a few others I noticed like Guy and one or two others.

Originally posted by Troop
I noticed you tend to go against what both boards say...

Like I have been saying from the beginning I like Darkseid a lot as a character and most havent believed mainly do to the crap I talked when arguing for Thanos. But think about it I have always said I liked him while at the same time admitting I hate Superman but yet on herochat I give him the respect I feel he deserves. A lot of you disgaree with that but thats a forum and we all dont see eye to eye on every little matter or any matters at all. Such is life and thats what makes this fun the diverse opinions and different arguments different posters bring to the table.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But Drax was created with the sole purpose of stopping Thanos and his back was turned when his heart was punched out.

Granted, I feel that Chronos and Mentor imbued Drax with some specific Thanos-cide power. It explains Drax's odd aura when he gets closer to Thanos in 'Annihilation.' But I think it's reasonable that Thanos-cide power is almost analagous to Orion's blood-line, possession of the Astro Force and Darkseid's apparent destiny to die to usher in the Fifth World. Almost.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They dont erase his past feats but it does cause us(the readers) to take notice how things have changed with the writers and the way they perceive things.

Thor lost to Superman but they are both very close so it doesnt hurt Thors case as they are very comparable. Darkseid was previously untouchable in terms of top tiers say 20 years ago. Nowadays that isnt so. So taking into account everything. He has pathetic showings when you compare his losses to Thanos'. Not only that but the manner in which he lost or failed to dominate Supes changed a lot of peoples minds as they are comparable today but twenty years ago they werent.

I'm no DS fan, but here is something that nobody has addressed.

Thanos was killed by being matter manipulated by Adam Warlock. He's been powered up, but it's never addressed as him being immune to matter manip.

The OE should easily be able to affect him.

Also, if we go by the way people bias things against Superman and apply them to Thanos here, then Odin, WM Thor, and Tyrant aren't that powerful since Thanos didn't go down against them.

He also never finished his battles against any of them and was prepped for all of them. Technically, those battles aren't great examples because of that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because it was his destiny to kill Thanos. Same as it was Orion's destiny to kill Darkseid. I think the two circumstances are similar enough to warrant that neither character's feat can really be held against the other's.

Granted, I feel that Chronos and Mentor imbued Drax with some specific Thanos-cide power. It explains Drax's odd aura when he gets closer to Thanos in 'Annihilation.' But I think it's reasonable that Thanos-cide power is almost analagous to Orion's blood-line, possession of the Astro Force and Darkseid's apparent destiny to die to usher in the Fifth World. Almost.

Ill address avlon in a bit here when I get back.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'm no DS fan, but here is something that nobody has addressed.

Thanos was killed by being matter manipulated by Adam Warlock. He's been powered up, but it's never addressed as him being immune to matter manip.

The OE should easily be able to affect him.

What is the OE's single greatest feat, anybody? And please no Cosmic Odyssey.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats the key difference as it wasnt his destiny. He was created to do this but it wasnt predestined.

Ill address avlon in a bit here when I get back.

Thanos and Darkseid will both make their respective comebacks. And both their deaths will be explored. You can count on that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In the 'Thanos Quest,' which is post-Death upgrade, he travels through several dimensions with different rules of reality that affect him this way. Apparently, because he is a unique being like Adam Warlock, he maintains his self-being. I personally don't think simple matter manipulation would work on him. Granted, the OE is not simple matter manipulation, but being unique seems to throw the OE into speculation.

What is the OE's single greatest feat, anybody? And please no Cosmic Odyssey.

That is an impressive feat, but I've seen similar things on GL's, Superman, Captain Marvel, etc. The rules of reality for each universe are different.

Matter manip is another thing altogether. Thanos did get more powerful, but that hasn't been addressed.

As for the OE, I'm mostly going from what I've seen on the DS respect threads. It has destroyed Pantheons of Gods if I am correct and managed to hurt Anti Monitor, and Imperiex.... so it's a viable attack at it's peak.

At the very least it can port Thanos into deep space without his tech...where he'd be stuck indefinitely.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'm no DS fan, but here is something that nobody has addressed.

Thanos was killed by being matter manipulated by Adam Warlock. He's been powered up, but it's never addressed as him being immune to matter manip.

The OE should easily be able to affect him.

Also, if we go by the way people bias things against Superman and apply them to Thanos here, then Odin, WM Thor, and Tyrant aren't that powerful since Thanos didn't go down against them.

He also never finished his battles against any of them and was prepped for all of them. Technically, those battles aren't great examples because of that.

First off Warlock performed this feat as a ghost. And secondly for that matter Thanos has been resurrected and his powers were increased exponentially.

Dont you think if this method would work on Thanos that the Surfer would have tried this sometime in their meetings over the years.
The Surfer can manipulate matter so why doesnt he just manipulate Thanos? Answer he cant.

My fourth reason is that the oe probably wont hit him especially if he doesnt want it to. Darkseids beams have been easily deflected by Mary Marvel and they were deceived quite easily in Superman/Batman by the Supergirl shes not really dead ruse. The omega effect has been flat out met and deflected by heat vision and failed to hit its target there as well. Darkseids beams have failed many times to win him a number of matchups.

Remember when Raker cut off the oe or its beams from Darkseid and thus didnt let him use it with his lantern ring.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I understand the distinction you're trying to make. Drax killed Thanos because of his specific attuned capability and Orion killed Darkseid only because it was foretold and he just had sufficient power to do it. But considering that it's never been concretely established on-panel that Chronos and Mentor actually imbued Drax with Thanos-cide power and because it it seems that greater forces were at work concerning Darkseid's death, I still think it's unfair to hold one feat against the other. At least for the moment.

Thanos and Darkseid will both make their respective comebacks. And both their deaths will be explored. You can count on that.

My only point is that Thanos' death wasnt prophetic and no one was expecting it I am sure at the time. It just kind of happened. Giffen did alter Drax and gave him new antiThanos abilities unimagined by any previous writers when concerning this character.

Most expected orion would kill Darkseid at some point in time as it did fulfill the prophecy. And I dont believe Thanos would have died had he engaged Drax.

Originally posted by Avlon
That is an impressive feat, but I've seen similar things on GL's, Superman, Captain Marvel, etc. The rules of reality for each universe are different.

Matter manip is another thing altogether. Thanos did get more powerful, but that hasn't been addressed.

As for the OE, I'm mostly going from what I've seen on the DS respect threads. It has destroyed Pantheons of Gods if I am correct and managed to hurt Anti Monitor, and Imperiex.... so it's a viable attack at it's peak.

At the very least it can port Thanos into deep space without his tech...where he'd be stuck indefinitely.

It destroyed unknown pantheons which doesnt carry any where near as much weight as you are implying.

When did it hurt the Am. If you recall he didnt fire the oe but he channeled Luthors energies and pressed a button to hurt the Am who was already weakened after his battle with the Spectre. Youd have a point if Luthor wasnt involved or if by pressing a button that released the omega effect.

I think its a viable attack but I dont think its taking out Thanos when it cant take out weaker opponents or anyone who you can prove is more powerful than Thanos.

Thanos can teleport.

When did Mary Marvel defelct his OE? I've read Countdown and I don't remember that happening.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid had a glorious death at that. I am in no means trying to act like hes any less of a character because of the way in which he died. The fact remains he fought two beings before he engaged Orion. So it wasnt a fresh Darkseid.

My only point is that Thanos' death wasnt prophetic and no one was expecting it I am sure at the time. It just kind of happened. Giffen did alter Drax and gave him new antiThanos abilities unimagined by any previous writers when concerning this character.

Most expected orion would kill Darkseid at some point in time as it did fulfill the prophecy. And I dont believe Thanos would have died had he engaged Drax.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This scan basically says no matter the rules Thanos remains true to himself.

It destroyed unknown pantheons which doesnt carry any where near as much weight as you are implying.

When did it hurt the Am. If you recall he didnt fire the oe but he channeled Luthors energies and pressed a button to hurt the Am who was already weakened after his battle with the Spectre. Youd have a point if Luthor wasnt involved or if by pressing a button that released the omega effect.

I think its a viable attack but I dont think its taking out Thanos when it cant take out weaker opponents or anyone who you can prove is more powerful than Thanos.

Thanos can teleport.

And you're right, it still oughtta hurt. But I don't think anybody's arguing that it'd be as ineffective as it was against Galactus in that non-canon crossover.

I think Avlon is saying that he could teleport Thanos and at the same time separate him from his technology. Thanos' ability to teleport has never really been displayed on-panel. Does he have a device on his belt? Is i imbedded in him? Does he have a fleet of ships that just follow him around and are cloaked? I think it's a stretch to say that Darkseid could separate Thanos from his teleportation tech (the best in the Marvel universe btw). Besides, BFR is cheap.

Originally posted by Jugglenaut
I'll try to find a scan of it, but it bounced off her outstretched arm.

... that would be just so sad... 😬

Man this topic is so played out, now it's just recaping the same thing over and over again.😬

Its done to death.
Why do mods allow these retarded duplicate threads to be made?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Drax was altered by Giffen in the 'Earth Fall' storyline, but it had more to do with him being depowered actually and regaining his former intelligence. Any Thanos-cide power was originally imbued by Chronos and Mentor and it was never clear that the power bestowed upon him was specifically attuned to Thanos.
I'll agree with you on this, a lot of people say that Darkseid used the Omega Effect on the Anti-Monitor during 'Crisis on Infinite Earths.' But on-panel, no reference was made to the OE, he did push a button, the beam of energy was white and looked nothing like the Omega Effect (straight line), and didn't even clearly appear to come from his body.

And you're right, it still oughtta hurt. But I don't think anybody's arguing that it'd be as ineffective as it was against Galactus in that non-canon crossover.

I think Avlon is saying that he could teleport Thanos and at the same time separate him from his technology. Thanos' ability to teleport has never really been displayed on-panel. Does he have a device on his belt? Is i imbedded in him? Does he have a fleet of ships that just follow him around and are cloaked? I think it's a stretch to say that Darkseid could separate Thanos from his teleportation tech (the best in the Marvel universe btw). Besides, BFR is cheap.
That...

... that would be just so sad... 😬

Yes Thanos' teleportation has never thoroughly been explained but I also doubt he could separate Thanos from his tech.

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
quote:

Who has beaten Thanos physically in a fair fight?

Doesn't matter as I said DS was stronger and more physical durable.

Darkseid is neither Stronger nor Physically more durable than Thanos! ❌

Thanos has taken Bludgeoning force from Thor w/ Warrior's Madness & the Power Gem (which would imply that he wasn't holding back) and found it exhilarating.

He has also fought both Thing & Thor at the same time, and on a separate occasion battled Hulk & Drax at the same. Which is a STRENGTH feat that Darkseid certainly can't match, based on his display against Doomsday.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'd say Thanos rivals Superman in strength as well. Thanos stood up to a beatdown of punches and Mjolnir shots from a Warrior Madness Thor w/ Power Gem. He smiled and his lips were bleeding. Granted, he made use of his forcefields, some of which shattered in the fight, but considering this is Thanos vs Darkseid and not Thanos (w/o his usual forcefields) vs. Darkseid, it's kind of a moot point. Thanos' high feats include physical durability.
I think it's reasonable to state that it's not exactly clear who is stronger and who is more durable. Although, Thanos appears to have more impressive physical durability feats. Even when you compare their low feats side-by-sde, Wolverine stab still looks better then Batman blood-drawing kick.

Thanos is a "unique" being in the Marvel Universe. He is an anomaly like Adam Warlock. I think it's reasonable to assume that it's hard to say whether or not the OE would work on him. Since OE doesn't work on beings that the Source deems "fundamental" to the universe. Add to that, Darkseid's OE didn't even work on Wonder Woman's bracelets or on Doomsday... 😬