Thanos vs Darkseid(the final time before final crisis)

Originally posted by quanchi112
This proves you have no knowledge of the character. Thanos can take a pounding. Did you ever read his fight against his doppleganger and the punishment he took there? Thor was pounding on him physically with his hammer in the blood and thunder arc also. He was energy blasting away at him.

Darkseid is the one who goes down to punches. As I said he was physically mauled in 10 seconds from Doomsday. In Apokolips now he was beaten to the point of submission by Supes fists. In countdown three Supes was knocking him all around. In countdown 4 Orion tore his heart out.

Darkseids beams have been deflected by Mary Marvel,WW bracelets, and deflected by heat vision.

They have never taken out anyone as powerful as Thanos before so you dont have a point.

IMO, Superman is much much stronger than WM Thor with power gem. So DS being beat by Superman is moot. Again magic>>>>science powers. That is why WW bracelets can deflect the OE. HV is not matter and so can easily deflect the OE. Thanos isn't made out of HV.
Mary Marvel is magical (I would still like to see how she did it though).

Originally posted by h1a8
WM Thor with power gem isn't as strong as Superman in my opinion. The power gem itself doesn't do anything but decorate. Plus Thanos face was bloody.
Fighting someone and making them look silly has absolutely nothing to do with being stronger and more durable. Agility, skill, and fair strength (just enough to cause pause) is all it takes to make bricks look silly. I don't believe that Thanos will cause Superman to even bleed if Superman gave him 3 free punches. DS can and has indeed caused Superman to bleed. Just my opinion.

To say that Thanos couldnt cause Superman to bleed with 3 free punches is ignorant at best. Supes has been knocked senseless by a Kalibak punch before.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, Superman is much much stronger than WM Thor with power gem. So DS being beat by Superman is moot. Again magic>>>>science powers. That is why WW bracelets can deflect the OE. HV is not matter and so can easily deflect the OE. Thanos isn't made out of HV.
Mary Marvel is magical (I would still like to see how she did it though).

Supes isnt stronger than Thor amped by the power gem. Quit posting about something you are totally ignorant about.

You havent addressed how they fooled the oe with in superman/batman. So I guess any magical being can stop the oe just because the are magical? According to your logic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This proves you have no idea what the power gem even does and it also proves you havent read the story arc blood and thunder. This explains why you feel this way.

To say that Thanos couldnt cause Superman to bleed with 3 free punches is ignorant at best. Supes has been knocked senseless by a Kalibak punch before.

I have blood and thunder series (in paper not digital). I've seen the power gem several times. It does nothing. It's just for decoration.
Kalibak and most super strong D.C. characters are much much more stronger than Marvel characters. My friend there is a huge strength difference between D.C. and Marvel. IMO, the average in Marvel for class 100s is somewhere between hundreds of tons and thousands of tons. The average class 100 in D.C. is somewhere between billion of tons and quadrillion of tons. So saying Kalibak knocking Superman senseless only proves that he is much stronger than Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112

You havent addressed how they fooled the oe with in superman/batman. So I guess any magical being can stop the oe just because the are magical? According to your logic.

Thanos can emit energy blasts from his eyes or his hands. So he could deflect it that way.

Supes isnt stronger than Thor amped by the power gem. Quit posting about something you are totally ignorant about.

Second and finally,
DS can make his beams teleport through time and space. They don't have to travel linearly or through space period. DS can make his beams appear inside Thanos. The fact that DS hardly does this is comic stupidity. The same stupidity that had Spider-man beat Firelord. The same stupidity that has Superman fighting without his super speed and reflexes (getting hit by much slower enemies). The same stupidity that causes Spiderman to get hit by a slow punch when Spiderman can dodge lasers and multiple machine gun fire easily.

Thank goodness this is a forum fight and not a comic one.

DS and Thanos operate on two very different levels. DS should be operating on a Galactus level powerset but due to overall comic PIS/CIS he isn't. IMO a well written DS would take this 10/10...thanos would lose this fight the same reason he would lose to Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can emit energy blasts from his eyes or his hands. So he could deflect it that way.

Supes isnt stronger than Thor amped by the power gem. Quit posting about something you are totally ignorant about.

You havent addressed how they fooled the oe with in superman/batman. So I guess any magical being can stop the oe just because the are magical? According to your logic.

IN COUNTDOWN IT'S CLEARLY STATED THAT NO ONE CAN ESCAPE THE OMEGA EFFECT. OBVIOUSLY EVERY TIME DARKY FRIES SOMEONE WITH HIS EYEBALLS, IT ISN'T THE OMEGA EFFECT.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have blood and thunder series (in paper not digital). I've seen the power gem several times. It does nothing. It's just for decoration.
Kalibak and most super strong D.C. characters are much much more stronger than Marvel characters. My friend there is a huge strength difference between D.C. and Marvel. IMO, the average in Marvel for class 100s is somewhere between hundreds of tons and thousands of tons. The average class 100 in D.C. is somewhere between billion of tons and quadrillion of tons. So saying Kalibak knocking Superman senseless only proves that he is much stronger than Thanos.

At least you admit your dc biased and that you believe Kalibak could take Thanos while no one would agree with that. I dont take what you say seriously because you make completely ignorant comments such as the power gem one.

Originally posted by h1a8
How did they fool with it in superman/batman? And no, magic in general cannot stop the OE. The magic involved has to either form a non-material barrier (like energy aura) or be derived from another dimension that is inconsistent (or resistant) to the OE's erasing powers.

First of all, I addressed directly above how Superman and many other D.C. characters is stronger than Thor with the power gem.

Second and finally,
DS can make his beams teleport through time and space. They don't have to travel linearly or through space period. DS can make his beams appear inside Thanos. The fact that DS hardly does this is comic stupidity. The same stupidity that had Spider-man beat Firelord. The same stupidity that has Superman fighting without his super speed and reflexes (getting hit by much slower enemies). The same stupidity that causes Spiderman to get hit by a slow punch when Spiderman can dodge lasers and multiple machine gun fire easily.

Thank goodness this is a forum fight and not a comic one.

You stated Superman was more powerful than Thor with the power gem but didnt give examples to back up this ignorant claim.

When has Darkseid made his beams appear inside someone? I have given examples of people avoiding or deflecting his beams. We cite comics as evidence to back up our claims while you state nothing other than your opinion which is very ignorant.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DS and Thanos operate on two very different levels. DS should be operating on a Galactus level powerset but due to overall comic PIS/CIS he isn't. IMO a well written DS would take this 10/10...thanos would lose this fight the same reason he would lose to Odin.

Ds cant take Superman or Orion 10 out of 10 so how can he beat someone more powerful than him or them that many times?How. Explain.

Originally posted by fangirl101
IN COUNTDOWN IT'S CLEARLY STATED THAT NO ONE CAN ESCAPE THE OMEGA EFFECT. OBVIOUSLY EVERY TIME DARKY FRIES SOMEONE WITH HIS EYEBALLS, IT ISN'T THE OMEGA EFFECT.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But we have seen it avoided. It was avoided in apokolips now. It was stated it was the omega effect.

COUNTDOWN RETCONNED ALL OF THAT. IT'S A LATER COMIC AND IT SAYS THAT NOTHING CAN AVOID THE OMEGA EFFECT. THAT MEANS IT WASN'T THE OMEGA EFFECT THAT DARKY SHOT OUT WHEN IT WAS AVOIDED. IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. LASER BEAMS. WHAT EVER.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No it depends on the writer. Morrison will have Ds operating on a Galactus level power but all recent writers including Starlin have him as a peer of Superman.

Ds cant take Superman or Orion 10 out of 10 so how can he beat someone more powerful than him or them that many times?How. Explain.

UM, WHEN HAS DS EVER GROWN REALLY BIG AND FOUGHT SUPERMAN? IT'S CLEARLY OBVIOUS THAT DARKY HAS SOME KIND OF HONOR CODE THING WITH SUPERMAN. CUZ WHEN DARKY AND JIMMY WERE KILLING HUNDRED OF PEOPLE, SUPERMAN COULDN'T INTERVENE. IT'S CLEAR THAT DARKY CAN TURN HUGANTIC ANY TIME AND BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF ANY SUPERMAN TYPE.

Originally posted by fangirl101
COUNTDOWN RETCONNED ALL OF THAT. IT'S A LATER COMIC AND IT SAYS THAT NOTHING CAN AVOID THE OMEGA EFFECT. THAT MEANS IT WASN'T THE OMEGA EFFECT THAT DARKY SHOT OUT WHEN IT WAS AVOIDED. IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. LASER BEAMS. WHAT EVER.

Originally posted by fangirl101
UM, WHEN HAS DS EVER GROWN REALLY BIG AND FOUGHT SUPERMAN? IT'S CLEARLY OBVIOUS THAT DARKY HAS SOME KIND OF HONOR CODE THING WITH SUPERMAN. CUZ WHEN DARKY AND JIMMY WERE KILLING HUNDRED OF PEOPLE, SUPERMAN COULDN'T INTERVENE. IT'S CLEAR THAT DARKY CAN TURN HUGANTIC ANY TIME AND BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF ANY SUPERMAN TYPE.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This doesnt cut it. A comics saying nothing can avoid the oe when I have seen it avoided. Sorry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Such ignorance. Saying the power gem is used only for decoration is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

At least you admit your dc biased and that you believe Kalibak could take Thanos while no one would agree with that. I dont take what you say seriously because you make completely ignorant comments such as the power gem one.

I don't think Kalibak can take Thanos. I think Thanos would simply own him. But since these characters all weigh under a ton then any class 100 can knock the sh!t out of them (being hurt is a different story though).

You must know that having a power gem alone means nothing. You must also have good knowledge on how to use it (like Thanos can). With poor knowledge it could possibly only increase your strength by a few tons or so. This is supported by all the times people have lost with it. It seemingly did nothing for them.

huh i guess anything goes seeing as final crisis will render the battle non-canon so im gonna go with darkseid because unlike thanos he isnt driven by love so he wont be distracted by trying to win deaths affections.it would be quite funny if death decided darkseid is the perfect mate and darkseid and death walk of into the(non-existant)sunset

Originally posted by fangirl101
IT'S CALLED A RETCON. NOW TELL ME WHAT BOOKS WHERE THE OMEGA EFFECT WAS AVOIDED OR BLOCKED. CUZ I KNOW DARKY HAS OTHER BEAMS BESIDES THE OMEGA EFFECT.

And this doesnt constitute as a retcon.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm am D.C. biased. Because D.C. has more powerful characters. I am somewhat open minded and have supported many marvel characters over D.C. Like Spiderman, Captain America, etc.

I don't think Kalibak can take Thanos. I think Thanos would simply own him. But since these characters all weigh under a ton then any class 100 can knock the sh!t out of them (being hurt is a different story though).

You must know that having a power gem alone means nothing. You must also have good knowledge on how to use it (like Thanos can). With poor knowledge it could possibly only increase your strength by a few tons or so. This is supported by all the times people have lost with it. It seemingly did nothing for them.