Thanos vs Darkseid(the final time before final crisis)

Originally posted by carnage52
huh i guess anything goes seeing as final crisis will render the battle non-canon so im gonna go with darkseid because unlike thanos he isnt driven by love so he wont be distracted by trying to win deaths affections.it would be quite funny if death decided darkseid is the perfect mate and darkseid and death walk of into the(non-existant)sunset

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor and the people he went through with the power gem means something. At least you admit you are dc biased but you are dead wrong if you think the are more powerful.

I saw nothing that he did that Superman couldn't do with a sunamp.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I saw nothing that he did that Superman couldn't do with a sunamp.

Who has Supes gone through with a sunamp that makes you feel this way.

First let's address some issues here, DS could take Supes whenever he wants....there are multiple occasions when he could have killed him but chose not to. Now as far as this fight is concerned, DS' versatility and overall powerset are to much for Thanos....Thanos can't even bring down Odin.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
First let's address some issues here, DS could take Supes whenever he wants....there are multiple occasions when he could have killed him but chose not to. Now as far as this fight is concerned, DS' versatility and overall powerset are to much for Thanos....Thanos can't even bring down Odin.

Odin would destroy Darkseid much in the same way Doomsday wrecked him.

So saying that Thanos cant beat Odin is no low showing at all while saying Ds cant beat down Supes straight up is a low showing especially when we factor in how powerful Darkseid used to be.

Darkseid doesnt have the durability to hang with Thanos long at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes with a sunamp couldnt go through Silver Surfer,Strange,the Infinity Watch,and Maxam.

Who has Supes gone through with a sunamp that makes you feel this way.

The watch by that count, should have taken out Thor rediculously easily. They did not. They jobbed like hell. That watch, Supes would tear through as well. As for stalemating Thanos in a slugfest, Supes would have won with an amp.

Thanos is just better than Darkseid. Face it DC boys!

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The watch by that count, should have taken out Thor rediculously easily. They did not. They jobbed like hell. That watch, Supes would tear through as well. As for stalemating Thanos in a slugfest, Supes would have won with an amp.

Again even with the power gem amping Thor which is a huge friggin amp he still couldnt beat him down. Thanos would beat Supes down as he wouldnt have the power gem and would run out while Thanos has the durability to hang with Odin in asgard whos above Supes as well. Like I have been saying for a while Thanos doesnt lose to top tiers on panel in fair fights he dominates them.

The same cant be said of classic Seid. I am not trying to take away anything from him but Thanos is on another level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No way. Again you call pis when Thor with the pg was a friggin monster who would beat Supes with an amp.

Again even with the power gem amping Thor which is a huge friggin amp he still couldnt beat him down. Thanos would beat Supes down as he wouldnt have the power gem and would run out while Thanos has the durability to hang with Odin in asgard whos above Supes as well. Like I have been saying for a while Thanos doesnt lose to top tiers on panel in fair fights he dominates them.

The same cant be said of classic Seid. I am not trying to take away anything from him but Thanos is on another level.

Strange alone should taken him out easily. Or Warlock with the gem. They didn't want to hurt him, or they jobbed. Either way, it's not that impressive taken in context.

Superman's physical feats completely dwarf Thanos's entire career. You have nothing on his best. Even Darkseid and Odin don't compare to Superman's physical best. They have other powers, yes, but physically, Superman can take on almost anyone.

Darkseid creates beings under his power that can destroy Thanos. None of whom are capable of beating 'seid. Validus, Stayne, Brimstone, etc.

Clearly, your warped biased brain can't begin to imagine someone beating Thanos. but Superman with a sunamp, or worse, dip, is stronger than him. Get over it, Troll. 😎

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Strange alone should taken him out easily. Or Warlock with the gem. They didn't want to hurt him, or they jobbed. Either way, it's not that impressive taken in context.

Superman's physical feats completely dwarf Thanos's entire career. You have nothing on his best. Even Darkseid and Odin don't compare to Superman's physical best. They have other powers, yes, but physically, Superman can take on almost anyone.

Darkseid creates beings under his power that can destroy Thanos. None of whom are capable of beating 'seid. Validus, Stayne, Brimstone, etc.

Clearly, your warped biased brain can't begin to imagine someone beating Thanos. but Superman with a sunamp, or worse, dip, is stronger than him. Get over it, Troll. 😎

Strange also has been taken out by WW Hulk and some Doombots before and who knows who else. A lot of times heroes get nutty and the good guys dont want to hurt him but they do. I could say the same of Black Adams opposition in ww3. They didnt want to kill him but the syure as hell were defending themselves.

Superman has great physical feats but that doesnt mean he beats Thanos...ever. The guy punks the Surfer,blasts big G a few football fields,physically hurt the Maker which no one else was able to do right before he mind raped her,fought Thor to a standstill and only received a bloody nose and actually enjoyed the skirmish.

He took on Tyrant by himself after he whipped herald levels like children. He also lasted quite a while with Odin who is the baddest skyfather around. Odin couldnt put him down.

You bring up Darkseid creating beings that are powerful but this happened so many years ago. Darkseid himself was written more powerful back then but times have changed.

Today,he bleeds from Batkicks,has tapped out to Superman,has fled from Superman,and was fighting him to a standstill in countdown three until he used Olsen to end the battle. Clever thinking indeed but it also proved he cant take Supes out with his powers easily at all anymore and that they are in the same league.

It doesnt matter if Superman is stronger than him. I dont get how you equate strength to who wins. Its simply wrong. Thanos has greater durability than Supes and is above him. Supes has been physically annihilated by Cyborg,overtaken by shadow demons easily,and knocked silly by a lucky Kalibak punch. These arent low showings but none of this would ever happen to Thanos,ever. 😉

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Strange alone should taken him out easily. Or Warlock with the gem. They didn't want to hurt him, or they jobbed. Either way, it's not that impressive taken in context.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman's physical feats completely dwarf Thanos's entire career. You have nothing on his best. Even Darkseid and Odin don't compare to Superman's physical best. They have other powers, yes, but physically, Superman can take on almost anyone.

Darkseid creates beings under his power that can destroy Thanos. None of whom are capable of beating 'seid. Validus, Stayne, Brimstone, etc.

Clearly, your warped biased brain can't begin to imagine someone beating Thanos. but Superman with a sunamp, or worse, dip, is stronger than him. Get over it, Troll. 😎

Validus' origin as a creation of Darkseid was retconned. Stayne, as far as I recall, was summoned out of the Source as the opposite avatar of Takion, and was never personally powered by Darkseid. Brimstone was created through Darkseid's science and never Darkseid's personal power either. I don't know what characters have been created by Darkseid's personal power. Thanos has created beings as well through his science and tapping into other powers. The only being he created through personal power was Reptyle, I think.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Strange's magicks backfired against Dr. Strange when he tried to assault Thor w/ Power Gem. The Power Gem was the reason why they backfired. Warlock w/ Soul Gem's karmic blast doesn't work on classic Thor's immortal soul. And when Thor bore the Power Gem, Warlock's karmic blast backfired also.
Strength range is arguable. Thanos doesn't have any lifting feats. But considering which opponents he has been knocking out with his punches, I'd say it's very arguable either way who's stronger. In either case, Superman with his greatest sunamp was struggling to maintain conscious thought. Thanos would certainly take advantage of that. As would Darkseid.

Validus' origin as a creation of Darkseid was retconned. Stayne, as far as I recall, was summoned out of the Source as the opposite avatar of Takion, and was never personally powered by Darkseid. Brimstone was created through Darkseid's science and never Darkseid's personal power either. I don't know what characters have been created by Darkseid's personal power. Thanos has created beings as well through his science and tapping into other powers. The only being he created through personal power was Reptyle, I think.

Originally posted by fangirl101
stayne and takion were created out of highfather and darksied's power.

Correct

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Strange's magicks backfired against Dr. Strange when he tried to assault Thor w/ Power Gem. The Power Gem was the reason why they backfired. Warlock w/ Soul Gem's karmic blast doesn't work on classic Thor's immortal soul. And when Thor bore the Power Gem, Warlock's karmic blast backfired also.
Strength range is arguable. Thanos doesn't have any lifting feats. But considering which opponents he has been knocking out with his punches, I'd say it's very arguable either way who's stronger. In either case, Superman with his greatest sunamp was struggling to maintain conscious thought. Thanos would certainly take advantage of that. As would Darkseid.

Validus' origin as a creation of Darkseid was retconned. Stayne, as far as I recall, was summoned out of the Source as the opposite avatar of Takion, and was never personally powered by Darkseid. Brimstone was created through Darkseid's science and never Darkseid's personal power either. I don't know what characters have been created by Darkseid's personal power. Thanos has created beings as well through his science and tapping into other powers. The only being he created through personal power was Reptyle, I think.

Originally posted by fangirl101
stayne and takion were created out of highfather and darksied's power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you mean to say that Stayne and Takion were created through Darkseid's and Highfather's manipulation of Source energies, then I agree. But their creation is nothing like Galactus' creation of his heralds. Galactus creates heralds nrom nothing but his own personal Power Cosmic. Neither Darkseid, nor Highfather created Stayne or Takion through their own personal power. Which should be obvious since Stayne's and Takion's power comes directly from the Source.

i don't want to seem like a miss know it all, but i must correct you. galactus's heralds draw power from the power cosmic. which is not solely owned by galactus. so your analogy isn't quite clear. and highfather and darkseid's powers also come directly from the source. so saying they didn't create those two guys out of thier own power isn't right.

Originally posted by fangirl101
i don't want to seem like a miss know it all, but i must correct you. galactus's heralds draw power from the power cosmic. which is not solely owned by galactus. so your analogy isn't quite clear. and highfather and darkseid's powers also come directly from the source. so saying they didn't create those two guys out of thier own power isn't right.

Which I admit, sort of sounds like equivocation, but from my understanding, seems like a fair distinction to make. Other people can feel differently about it.

It's a false distinction. Considering all new gods draw power from the source. Even Darkseid and Highfather.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Not pre-crisis Validus, who doesn't apply to that retcon.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's a false distinction. Considering all new gods draw power from the source. Even Darkseid and Highfather.

I also don't see Darkseid's creation of Stayne as being ultimately superior to Thanos' creation of Reptyle. Which is why this was brought up in the first place. But as I said, you're free to have your own opinions. Still, if you think it's clear that my opinion is completely wrong, some scans would be awesome.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman's physical feats completely dwarf Thanos's entire career. You have nothing on his best. Even Darkseid and Odin don't compare to Superman's physical best. They have other powers, yes, but physically, Superman can take on almost anyone.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The watch by that count, should have taken out Thor rediculously easily. They did not. They jobbed like hell. That watch, Supes would tear through as well. As for stalemating Thanos in a slugfest, Supes would have won with an amp.

See what I did there?