Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Mindset
Well, getting in 3 shots I don't consider as 'win'.

Originally posted by Mindset
Then there's the fact that Spiderman has faired well against people equivalent to Cap, such as Wolverine.

It's also worth noting that every fight they've had since then has either had Wolverine's claws at Spidey's face or Spidey with them in his gut... That's not fairing well IMO.

Originally posted by jinzin
Cap can do the same without a Spider Sense.

Sometimes.... there's a LOT more times where it doesn't.
You think for one minute that for every scan that you post of Spider Sense being some massively complex system bordering pre-cog that I can't find ten of it being a vague warning sense that still gets Spidey in trouble?.. It's far from perfect as is, in h2h fights it's proven less so.

Martial skill isn't the only advantage Cap has... He has advantages of tactical superiority as well. Spiderman's proposed advantage of speed is a non-factor here.. He's not much faster than Cap if AT ALL. And Spiderman's powers have never given him a fighting style superior to high end streeters, which is why they keep beating him.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Spidey also holds back against almost everyone he faces and that includes Cap. When has he ever seriously wanted to hurt Cap in any of his fights?

In the first one that they had. he wa trying to pwn Cap and got launched to his ass instead. 😕

Originally posted by Mindset
Wolverine not wanting to kill Spiderman doesn't mean he was messing around, and Spiderman let Wolverine tackle him, I believe you are talking about their fight in the cemetery.

Again if you look at every fight since then?
Spiderman's been tooled on a rooftop.
Stabbed in a sparring session.
and Tackled to the floor at claw point.

All relatively quickly... that's not "fairing well" whatsoever.

Originally posted by Mindset
Unless Wolverine is in berserker mode he almost always joking around. At least in the fights I've seen.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Are you serious. Spidey is a quite a bit faster than Cap.

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Originally posted by jinzin
Oh you think so? PROVE. IT. 😐
Spiderman MIGHT be slightly faster than Cap but the difference would be irrecognizeable and it definitely would not pose as a matter of difference in this fight.

You feel differently? Great! Why don't you do what 1,000 pages of arguing and hundreds of Spiderman fans and fanboys alike have failed to do and show EVIDENCE past the point of hyberbole that shows Spiderman being legitimately faster than any high class street level like Cap....

I haven't seen it done yet and I've argued with A LOT of Spidey fans.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Spidey also holds back against almost everyone he faces and that includes Cap. When has he ever seriously wanted to hurt Cap in any of his fights?

This is something I posted to somebody else.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Let me break this down to you....the robot was a clone of Spiderman....if the robot cant take Cap in H2H that means most likely Spiderman cant either.

Also the fact it was stalemating Spiderman shows how close the clone was to being like Spiderman.

Cap wins the majority.

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman ran completely out of options.. He new Wolverine was going to capitalize as soon as he stopped punching, and they were too close. Spiderman took a gamble and he was lucky enough that Wolverine was holding back to the point where he wasn't using his claws in three oppurtunities that he had.
Again, that fight was in no way representative of the skill that Cap would be using in a fight with Spiderman, Wolverine wasn't fighting near his best, he was holding back, intentionally letting Spiderman past his guard, and he was more effected by CIS than Spidey at the moment seeing how his lover was dying.

Again if you look at every fight since then?
Spiderman's been tooled on a rooftop.
Stabbed in a sparring session.
and Tackled to the floor at claw point.

All relatively quickly... that's not "fairing well" whatsoever.

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Where is it said Wolverine let Spiderman past his guard and he was letting Spiderman hit him?

Just because he wasn't willing to murder someone he has worked with before doesn't mean he was messing around.

And about the joking around part, I was talking about throwing insults, or making wisecracks, you are seriously going to try and tell me Wolverine doesn't do this in fights, ok.

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And that fight was longer than any fight Spiderman or Cap has had. And I see you never commented about Spiderman vs. IF fight. In fact Spiderman has never had a full fight with Cap, yet your willing to give him the win.

Originally posted by jinzin
In the first one that they had. he wa trying to pwn Cap and got launched to his ass instead. 😕

Scans?

Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman was enhanced past what he is now, he was wearing bulletproof armor and Cap still had him numb below the waste.. If that's not a decision I don't know what is.

He "faired well" against Wolverine in 1 fight since secret wars, in a fight that Wolverine was holding back in and literally let Spiderman punch away at him... That's in no way comparible to how Cap would fight Spiderman.

It's also worth noting that every fight they've had since then has either had Wolverine's claws at Spidey's face or Spidey with them in his gut... That's not fairing well IMO.

What other actually fights did Spiderman and Wolverine have, all I remember is them having brief altercations, not an actually fight. And again, where did you get Wolverine was letting Spiderman punch him, they why they described it was Spiderman was hitting him hard and fast so Wolverine couldn't respond with an attack.

Originally posted by Mindset
Where is it said Wolverine let Spiderman past his guard and he was letting Spiderman hit him?

Yeah, he wasn't taking that fight seriously.. At all.

Originally posted by Mindset
Just because he wasn't willing to murder someone he has worked with before doesn't mean he was messing around.

Originally posted by Mindset
And about the joking around part, I was talking about throwing insults, or making wisecracks, you are seriously going to try and tell me Wolverine doesn't do this in fights, ok.

Originally posted by Mindset
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And that fight was longer than any fight Spiderman or Cap has had. And I see you never commented about Spiderman vs. IF fight. In fact Spiderman has never had a full fight with Cap, yet your willing to give him the win.

That fight (the graveyard one I'm assuming) is the only one between them to last that long and Wolverine wasn't fighting to his best capacity as already stated. If you're going to bring up an instance to set a standard bring one up free from obvious circumstances.. Again every fight since then? No, Wolverine has owned Spiderman quickly.

I don't think I've stated what odds I give in this fight yet. 😕
I've been arguing that 1st class streeters beat up Spiderman and that he isn't faster than Cap by any major margin.. Both of which are true.

Originally posted by Mindset
Scans?

Amazing Spidey fight.. I don't have them on me at the moment.

Originally posted by Mindset
Exactly why it didn't make sense, Spiderman can take a beating from Morlun all over the city before he was upgraded by the Other, and before he got the suit, yet 3 punches from Cap had him numb.

Originally posted by Mindset
What other actually fights did Spiderman and Wolverine have, all I remember is them having brief altercations, not an actually fight.

It's "not an actually fight" only because Wolverine owns Spiderman before he can gain any momentum in all three encounters.. I'm sure Spidey fans would feel differently had the shoe been on the other foot.

Originally posted by Mindset
And again, where did you get Wolverine was letting Spiderman punch him, they why they described it was Spiderman was hitting him hard and fast so Wolverine couldn't respond with an attack.

And "they?"

It was only Spiderman who had a narrative box.. there was no objective narration.

Cap has a chance, and may/can very well take a majority.

Originally posted by jinzin
Cap can do the same without a Spider Sense.

Sometimes.... there's a LOT more times where it doesn't.
You think for one minute that for every scan that you post of Spider Sense being some massively complex system bordering pre-cog that I can't find ten of it being a vague warning sense that still gets Spidey in trouble?.. It's far from perfect as is, in h2h fights it's proven less so.

Martial skill isn't the only advantage Cap has... He has advantages of tactical superiority as well. Spiderman's proposed advantage of speed is a non-factor here.. He's not much faster than Cap if AT ALL. And Spiderman's powers have never given him a fighting style superior to high end streeters, which is why they keep beating him.

And CA is a pure statue to spidey. Spidey's speed is much greater.

Originally posted by jinzin
Common Sense or Spidey Sense?

You and I both know it's common sense.

Originally posted by jinzin
It's not about the powers it's about the people weilding them and how well they know how to use what they've got.
Cap regularly gives both Spiderman and his rogues all hell in fights and consistently beats these guys, Spiderman regularly has trouble with high tier streeters...

Let's give me a fighting ability that'd exceed anything you could hope to learn in 100 years, and a tactical superiority and your assured victory comes into heavy doubt.

I don't care if the comic shows CA beating the crap out of Spidey 10000000/10000000 times. It can't happen in a forum fight. This is because we use common sense here.

And you are lying. You would not want to fight me to the death if (h2h only) if you had CA's powers against me with Spidey's powers. I don't believe you are that dumb.

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If you want to boost CA sales and know Spider-man sales are going to be the same no matter what then you let CA always beat him. This is business (smart business too)

Originally posted by h1a8
If you want to boost CA sales and know Spider-man sales are going to be the same no matter what then you let CA always beat him. This is business (smart business too)

Read a CA comic for godsake Spiderman is only slightly faster than Cap. You dotn know what the hell you are talking about.

This is a spite thread.
There is no way CA gets 1 win on someone who has every advantage.
And CA doesn't have a fighting skill advantage as Spidey's powers give
him a fighting skill and style much greater than CA's.

And it is utter stupidity to go by the outcome of fights over power sets and common sense. In that case why argue the many fights that have been already shown in comics?