Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.............are you even listening to your self?

It more pis for spiderman to even give venom a match or sand man then it is for capt to beat spiderman

Venom and sand man loses to spiderman through plot devices and cis not becuases spiderman is actually a real threat to them. In a forum match he would loses 10/10 to either of them.

Do you even hear yourself? Spidey is capable of taking punishment from them (superhuman durability, not peak human durability) and he is a lot smarter than they are. So when Spidey comes up with a way to defeat them. It makes a lot of sense because he has the intelligence to do so.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Do you even hear yourself. Spidey is capable of taking punishment from them (superhuman durability, not peak human durability) and he is a lot smarter than they are. So when Spidey comes up with a way to defeat them. It makes a lot of sense because he has the intelligence to do so.

Spiderman has no means of taking out sand man nor venom other then through plot devices which Capt could also utilizes.

pleases jsut becuases spiderman smart does not mean anything. When venom and sand man fight him they act like complete idiot and fall victim to cis.

in a forum match they would kick the ever living shit out of him every time.

also I still laughing about how you say capt stands no chances of beat spiderman in h2h, but give batman 4/10

also one punch from venom is like having a building fall on you

also going by rogues is just dumb, one of capts rogues is a cosmic being who would wtf pwn pritty much any villain of spidermans

Originally posted by Battlehammer

also one punch from venom is like having a building fall on you

Originally posted by Starscream M
really? spiderman taken quite a few of Venom's punches...I doubt he'd survive any building falling on him.

yea he survived a hulk punch to which would be worses then having a buliding fall on you..............a lot fo characters survive things they should not.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
This is absolutely crazy how people think that Cap is winning the majority. There is no pis in this battle at all. And for all of you who thinks Cap will take the majority, I got a question for you all. If Cap was a villain in a Spider-Man comic, Spider-Man would have no chance at stopping him, right? Wrong. Some people say their fights in the comics should be taken into consideration. And I say that Spidey's fights with far more powerful and dangerous villains in his comics, should be taken into consideration. Because it doesn't makes any sense at all for Cap to even beat Spidey. It's pis and inconsistent with the caliber of villains Spidey has already defeated. It's like some people forgot what villains like, Sand Man, Venom, and Electro are capable of. and some how Cap is more imposing than all of them. Comic book writers don't always use common sense in the plot, and if they did. Pis would have never existed.

If Cap was a villain in a Spiderman comic, Spiderman would probably end up beating Cap the same way he does his villains 75% of the time. Plot device.
Look, we've already seen a guy who's like a second rate Cap as a Spidey villain in Turantula and Spidey has not faired that well against him. He'd do worse against the real deal and in fact already has.. 4 times. 😐

Spiderman fights more dangerous and powerful people than Thor and Namor? 😕
Yeah thought not.. Oh wait you must mean chumps like Fenris and Wrecker? Wait no, that can't be it....

pffftt.. Spiderman's rogues have worse off records against Cap than they do Spidey maybe you ought to take THAT into consideration.

LMAO... Venom, Sandman and Electro?
Out of the multitudes of people you could use to illustrate your point you pick these guys?
Again.. how does Spiderman beat them?
How does he beat characters that he has no business fighting in h2h and can't even manage to hurt them a majority of the time by his lonesome?

Let's think about it.. is it his superior to Captain America fighting style? No can't be it...

Is it...wait I think it is... PLOT DEVICES...
He doesn't tangle with those guys without
1. Help
2. A weapon.
or 3. A plan.

When he doesn't have one of those factors and he manages not to get shitstomped long enough to win the fight he usually wins through the maipulation of a conveniently placed plot device... And why is that there? So he can beat guys he has no chance against straight up.. It's the very definition of PIS which you think only applies to streeters taking it to Spiderman... 😂 🤣

Originally posted by Starscream M
really? spiderman taken quite a few of Venom's punches...I doubt he'd survive any building falling on him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes it does sound silly because you use the comicbook to decide who can win or who loses.

Again you clearly dont know what the hell you are talking about for starters Spiderman is only slightly faster than Cap, you would know that if you read any comicbooks. You cant just decide Spiderman >>>>> Cap when the comicbooks say different.

Spidey is many times faster than CA. CA is a statue to Spidey.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey is many times faster than CA. CA is a statue to Spidey.

and yet spiderman been hit repeatedly by capt.............and spiderman really does not have a single feat of speed superior to capt either..........

Spiderman wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh that was your point?

Funny cause it looks like you're trying to give Spiderman an advantage of reflex based on his ability to "see things in slow motion" which Cap can do so it really doesn't stand as much of an advantage...

If your point was to imply that Spiderman shouldn't get hit by Cap then show some proof to show why.
Until then you're just arguing YOUR VERSION of the character and not the one that exists.

"spider sense tingl ughhhhhffff!"
Yeah it's been portrayed as a vague warning sense hundreds of times...
Ooooooohhhh he can dodge bullets.. Which every street level who's supposedly slower than him and can't "see bullets in slow motion" can do anyway.. maybe they have Spider sense too. 🙄

😂

shows what you know about h2h fighting which is almost entirely set in deception and misdirection which Cap has shown capable of applying in h2h... so... wrong.

No one said anything about a weapon.. 😕[/B][/QUOTE] Tactical superiority implies the ability to use either items from the surroundings, the surrounding itself, or items that one already has.

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Like I said, prove it.
Stop telling me your fantasies about what you think Spiderman SHOULD be like and show me an instance of someone like Cap being a statue to Parker... oh that's right! You can't... because SPIDERMAN'S NEVER BEEN PORTRAYED THAT WAY. 😐

Anyone who can bounce around with blurs, make multiple images of themselves, move around a bullet after they have turned around and saw it in the air, respond to lasers, etc. would make CA a statue. Yes CA has been drawn to have multiple images but this only shows the progression of his movement and not how a human would actually perceive him. The multiple images for spidey is actually meant to show how a human would view him.

The fact is spidey is more than 15 times stronger than CA, has faster reflexes, and is lighter. Thus his acceleration has to be more than 15 times more. Remember A=F/M.

Originally posted by jinzin
Common sense like ignoring comparable street level speed feats as if they're fabrications and supporting a notion that Streeters are as to statues to Spiderman in spite of 5 decades of contradictory examples?

Yeah.. that sounds like common sense to me 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
IDLIIDH

And which part of common sense allows you to believe that Captain America can not take Spidey in a hand to hand fight? Logic? Real world physics? Which part of common sense allows you to use suspension of disbelief on one character like Spiderman but automatically drop that suspension for Cap?

There's no common sense that applies to Cap NOT taking Spiderman in h2h, just your bias opinion and delusions about what you THINK Spiderman SHOULD be capable of...

Did you miss the part where I also have Cap's knowledge? Cause that plays into me kicking the crap out o'you like Cap does to Spidey every time they get into it up close and personal.

Suspension of disbelief is totally different from common sense. The former may disregard known scientific knowledge and other things that is not common sense. The latter is more about an error in reasoning (science has little to nothing to do with it). For example, one don't have to know any science to know that if someone can lift a tank can definitely lift a car. And if he/she fails to lift the car has nothing to do with Suspension of disbelief but an error in reasoning (against common sense).

And you will never beat the crap out of me if I have both Spider sense and the ability to see you as a statue.

Originally posted by jinzin
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Yeah every advantage except the one's that matter...

Really? is that so?
So tell me.. Why does Captain America have better showings and better records against Spiderman's rogues than Spiderman does?
Is that too because Spiderman's got a better fighting style? 🙄
What a load of shit, and it isn't supported by one panel, one handbook, or one fight of comic book evidence.

Power's aren't everything, it's how you use them. Otherwise Spiderman would lose to 90% of the physically superior villains he fights. 😐

We argue for a lot of reasons, but reason doesn't seem to be your strongpoint so I digress.

Spidey powers automatically gives him a superior fighting skill and style to CA. Have you seen the movie "Next"? Nicholas Cage had absolutely no martial art knowledge and yet displayed a fighting skill far above anyone who has ever mastered martial arts. This is because he knew the future.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.............are you even listening to your self?

It more pis for spiderman to even give venom a match or sand man then it is for capt to beat spiderman

Venom and sand man loses to spiderman through plot devices and cis not becuases spiderman is actually a real threat to them. In a forum match he would loses 10/10 to either of them.

Spider man don't beat these beings fairly. He uses their weaknesses against them. So how does he lose 10/10 to them?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet spiderman been hit repeatedly by capt.............and spiderman really does not have a single feat of speed superior to capt either..........

I don't care if Spidey has been hit by Cap a billion times, Aunt May a trillion times, etc. He will not get hit in this forum fight. Why? Because this is not happening in the mind of a writer but in the mind of the one who knows the truth.

in a forum match pleases I love to hear how spiderman beats venom in an areana setting................even you can't be that delusional

Originally posted by Battlehammer
in a forum match pleases I love to hear how spiderman beats venom in an areana setting................even you can't be that delusional

IMO, spidey wouldn't win a majority against Venom (unless Aunt May, MJ, etc. was on the line). With that said, Spidey has much more experience, is faster and more agile, and is much smarter than dumb venom. Spidey definitely can win at least a few without plot devices.

.............how.................are you kidding me............no he can't.