Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
He's had the upper hand in the fights I recall, which is why I put the ' ' around win, and fights.As it's the upper hand, and some are scraps. Still though.
Well, getting in 3 shots I don't consider as 'win'.
Also, I remember Spiderman taking on the Avengers, and Cap couldn't stop him, I think that's how it went, I'll have to check.
Then there's the fact that Spiderman has faired well against people equivalent to Cap, such as Wolverine.
Originally posted by MindsetUpper hand.
Well, getting in 3 shots I don't consider as 'win'.Also, I remember Spiderman taking on the Avengers, and Cap couldn't stop him, I think that's how it went, I'll have to check.
Then there's the fact that Spiderman has faired well against people equivalent to Cap, such as Wolverine.
Was that when he was hitting Wolverine/Wonder Man/etc? And did Cap even try?
OK. I don't see how he's really equivalent to Cap though. As Wolverine fights without a care in those kinds of fights.
Classic Fist was somewhat equivalent to Cap though.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Upper hand.Was that when he was hitting Wolverine/Wonder Man/etc? And did Cap even try?
OK. I don't see how he's really equivalent to Cap though. As Wolverine fights without a care in those kinds of fights.
Classic Fist was somewhat equivalent to Cap though.
Wolverine taking hits means he's not equivalent to Cap?
Well Spiderman did well against IF too, so, there's that.
Originally posted by MindsetIt means he's not fighting as well as he could. As I believe in one showing, it said Wolverine likes to be hit. Cap is not going to have that attitude.
Wolverine taking hits means he's not equivalent to Cap?Well Spiderman did well against IF too, so, there's that.
Ya, I know. They stalemated. However, it tells me, along with other feats that Cap can give him hell.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
It means he's not fighting as well as he could. As I believe in one showing, it said Wolverine likes to be hit. Cap is not going to have that attitude.Ya, I know. They stalemated. However, it tells me, along with other feats that Cap can give him hell.
Which is pretty much what I already said, Cap can give him a fight, but I think Spiderman will eventually beat him.
And Wolverine taking hits really doesn't give an explanation of why Wolverine couldn't just outright beat SM if his fighting skills are so much better.
Originally posted by MindsetThat was more-so directed at the "Spider-Man 10/10"s, as you didn't say what I expected when you said Spider-Man would get a fight.
Which is pretty much what I already said, Cap can give him a fight, but I think Spiderman will eventually beat him.And Wolverine taking hits really doesn't give an explanation of why Wolverine couldn't just outright beat SM if his fighting skills are so much better.
Because he doesn't fight as well as he could. He's not equivalent to Cap in scenarios where he seems to be essentially messing around; laughing at Spider-Man's punches, talking about his own neck breaking, and starting to hit Spidey after retracting his claws.
To me, that spells holding back.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That was more-so directed at the "Spider-Man 10/10"s, as you didn't say what I expected when you said Spider-Man would get a fight.
Either way, I believe that Cap would win this. 🙂Because he doesn't fight as well as he could. He's not equivalent to Cap in scenarios where he seems to be essentially messing around; laughing at Spider-Man's punches, talking about his own neck breaking, and starting to hit Spidey after retracting his claws.
To me, that spells holding back.
Wolverine not wanting to kill Spiderman doesn't mean he was messing around, and Spiderman let Wolverine tackle him, I believe you are talking about their fight in the cemetery.
Unless Wolverine is in berserker mode he almost always joking around. At least in the fights I've seen.
Originally posted by MindsetHe sure as hell seemed like it.
Wolverine not wanting to kill Spiderman doesn't mean he was messing around, and Spiderman let Wolverine tackle him, I believe you are talking about their fight in the cemetery.Unless Wolverine is in berserker mode he almost always joking around. At least in the fights I've seen.
Except when he actually uses skill. Which he doesn't do as much as he could, but only then is when I see him as equivalent to Cap.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Let me break this down to you....the robot was a clone of Spiderman....if the robot cant take Cap in H2H that means most likely Spiderman cant either.Also the fact it was stalemating Spiderman shows how close the clone was to being like Spiderman.
Cap wins the majority.
Originally posted by BUSTER1So why keep bring up "he 15x faster" if all it is, is a generic statement that doesn't necessarily reflect a superiority over Cap?
What about them-as I've said Spiderman has been written down alot over the years, losing to or being stalemated by people who, with his powerset, he should demolish. Oh and his reflexes are 15 x faster than a normal persons (and yes I do know Cap is far superior to nomal people)
Originally posted by h1a8Cap can do the same without a Spider Sense.
I must be the only true Spider-man fan here. It seems as none here knows about Spidey. When Spider-man's spider sense is acting it causes his reflexes to increase 20-40 times faster than a human (depending on the level of threat). This makes him see things in slow motion (like bullets).
Originally posted by h1a8Sometimes.... there's a LOT more times where it doesn't.
Here's another thing only true spider-man fans know. The spider-sense guides him out of the way of an attack. It also sometimes jerk his body away without his knowledge or permission (like when a human touches something hot and jerks away before they realize it was hot).
Originally posted by h1a8Martial skill isn't the only advantage Cap has... He has advantages of tactical superiority as well. Spiderman's proposed advantage of speed is a non-factor here.. He's not much faster than Cap if AT ALL. And Spiderman's powers have never given him a fighting style superior to high end streeters, which is why they keep beating him.
Impressive in human eyes indeed, but still a statue to Spidey.
Spiderman is superior to cap in every way (strength, speed, agility, etc.) except martial art skill. But Spidey's powers give him a fighting skill and style that is superior to cap's. For example, the highest ranking ninja has better fighting skills than I, but give me spider powers and my fighting skill automatically exceeds his (even if I hold back my strength to equal his).
Originally posted by h1a8It's not about the powers it's about the people weilding them and how well they know how to use what they've got.
Give me spiderman powers and you take captain america powers. Now watch me easily and effortlessly beat the sh!t outta you.
Let's give me a fighting ability that'd exceed anything you could hope to learn in 100 years, and a tactical superiority and your assured victory comes into heavy doubt.
Originally posted by jinzinSpidey also holds back against almost everyone he faces and that includes Cap. When has he ever seriously wanted to hurt Cap in any of his fights?
It's not about the powers it's about the people weilding them and how well they know how to use what they've got.
Cap regularly gives both Spiderman and his rogues all hell in fights and consistently beats these guys, Spiderman regularly has trouble with high tier streeters...Let's give me a fighting ability that'd exceed anything you could hope to learn in 100 years, and a tactical superiority and your assured victory comes into heavy doubt.