I'll end this right now. It's funny that everyone loves to use their fights in the comic and how it went down. But yet no one never brings up the real key factors.
1. CA and SM are not real enemies and they both have a certain level of respect for each other.
2. They were never trying to really hurt or kill each other. They are heroes at heart. And they were only fighting because of the circumstances. Not because they hate each other.
3. Their fights were never personal. And it is fair to say that neither one of them completely had their heads into the fight its self. It was more about the circumstances. Not because they truly wanted to fight
in the first place.
4. Only certain battles can really serve as evidence to why they would win. For example, Batman would never want to fight Nightwing with the intentions of hurting him. But if you take them and put them against each other in fantasy match. All of that gos out the window.
Let say I created a scenario that in the middle of their battle, Mary Jane was nearby and she got hurt. And Spider-Man completely lost control of his anger. Would Cap and Spider-Man battle's go the same way as they did before? No. There is nothing wrong with using factors from their past fights in the comics. But when the other factors are not being taken into the argument as well. That's when it becomes a problem. And so it is only right to use their battles where they are against foes who they are trying to hurt, and they are going all out against. That is when you can truly judge the outcome of the fight. I don't hate Captain America and I never said that he can't get any wins at all. What I believe and said is that he wouldn't beat Spider-Man for the majority.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not attacking Cap, it's an observation, and a valid one at that seeing as in this thread Cap does not have his shield. Also as you notice I said potentially, while others are making it seem like Cap will definitely land the first blow, now which one seems less reasonable?
He did'nt use the shield to block, its at least debateable. You see Spiderman punching at Cap and missing we dont know for sure wether he used it to deflect Spidermans punch.
Hell even if he did he only had to use it once.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Everytime a writer makes Spiderman have trouble with a street leveler its PIS It does not matter that its happened 100s of times its all PIS.What I think >>>>>>>> On Panel evidence
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Cap shouldn't be beating Spider-Man for the majority. And their past fights prove nothing. There was never a clear winner. And this vs thread is very different from a comic book. The fact is that pis is real and comic are not 100% constance all the time. There is no reason for anyone to hold back. There is no plot nor will their feelings get in the way. They are fighting until there is a winner because that is the situation I've put them in. And their only care in the world is to fight and kick ass until there is a winner. Plain and simple.
Did you say Batman wins against Spiderman 4/10?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is that it cant guide him from all things just 1 split second in the future. The SS was not able to warn not to web up the shield that is too detailed.Because they have not studied him. Punisher was just one gun man and he manged to trick the spidersense.
Lol but he cant fly even if he twists his body hes still a sitting duck.
Then that means he wasnt completely using his SS some of it is reflexes and Cap has similar reflexes. Which means some of the dodging simply came from moving too fast for them to hit him.
the point is his SS was not able to warn him that he shouldnt web up the shield.
Yes it would because he needs the webshooters, after that Punisher shot him in mid-jump.
You are just ranting. You made absolutely no sense. Come again please. I don't understand why you can't understand that Spiderman has many times dodged things that were in succession at much smaller intervals than anything CA can do. This alone proves that his SS renews constantly. Otherwise, explain why he doesn't get hit when someone is spraying machine gun fire on him. And SM can never be a sitting duck to a bullet. It is too small. SM can easily twist and turn in the air to avoid being struck. Now Spiderman would be a sitting duck to an attack that has a very wide range (like cyclops wide forest beam or Hulk's thunderclap).
Spiderman webbing a shield (or performing another distracting task) shouldn't prevent him from getting shot by a gun in the back. Why? Because he was many times distracted when someone either shot at him from behind or tried to sneak up on him. They failed miserably.
While Spiderman is webbing the shield his SS will be watching his back. That means it was BS that Cap was able to hit him (especially when bullets was not able to).
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He did'nt use the shield to block, its at least debateable. You see Spiderman punching at Cap and missing we dont know for sure wether he used it to deflect Spidermans punch.Hell even if he did he only had to use it once.
No, he used the shield to block. And I wasn't just talking about that fight, he used the shield to block in the other one that happened years ago.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
You keep saying spidey is so much faster, I wonder, have you proved it yet?
It is idiotic to even try to prove this common sense. I hope no one will even try. Spiderman has super powers, CA don't. Spiderman is based off a creature whose proportional ability is greater than a human could ever be (CA). Spiderman's speed is on another level than CA's, yet some are saying that they are similar. Please!
Why do you think all the cartoons, video games, handbooks, movies, majority of people, etc. portray SM as being much faster than CA? This is because it is the truth. CA isn't even faster than Beast. And SM is faster than Beast.
Originally posted by Soljer
In other words, you ignore every feat Cap has ever pulled off, ignore their past confrontations, ignore Spidey's track record against Cap-level guys, and just say...."I want Spidey to win, so he does."
Got it.
Soljer for some strange reason I don't believe you think CA wins this.
I'm pretty sure you're playing around. Right?
Originally posted by Mindset
No, he used the shield to block.
Show me.
Originally posted by Mindset
And I wasn't just talking about that fight, he used the shield to block in the other one that happened years ago.
Im not talking about that one.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are just ranting. You made absolutely no sense. Come again please. I don't understand why you can't understand that Spiderman has many times dodged things that were in succession at much smaller intervals than anything CA can do. This alone proves that his SS renews constantly. [B]Otherwise, explain why he doesn't get hit when someone is spraying machine gun fire on him. And SM can never be a sitting duck to a bullet. It is too small. SM can easily twist and turn in the air to avoid being struck. Now Spiderman would be a sitting duck to an attack that has a very wide range (like cyclops wide forest beam or Hulk's thunderclap).Spiderman webbing a shield (or performing another distracting task) shouldn't prevent him from getting shot by a gun in the back. Why? Because he was many times distracted when someone either shot at him from behind or tried to sneak up on him. They failed miserably.
While Spiderman is webbing the shield his SS will be watching his back. That means it was BS that Cap was able to hit him (especially when bullets was not able to). [/B]
*sigh* maybe its the way I explain it.