As a note for this thread, you cannot simply keep adding things to the fight, Marvelknight. The rules for the thread are stated in the first post, where you specified that there was no web and no shield. You said nothing of PIS or CIS. If you want those to apply, they need to be specified in the first post or they are non-applicable rules.
Please keep that in mind.
Originally posted by darthgoober
There's a big problem with your assessment. Yes, Spiderman has the proportionate speed of a Spider(meaning that his speed was multiplied relative to that of a spider), but you forget that the end result of that multiplication of abilities is based on Spidey's NATURAL speed. Multiplying some slow ass science geek's speed by a factor of 25 doesn't necessarily mean that he's far faster than Cap because Cap's a LOT faster than the science geeks base speed(which is what the proportionate increase is based off of). Think about it if Cap's reflexes are 23 times better than the geeks base, then the differences in speed after the proportionate increase isn't really going to be all that great now is it?
reflexes and speed are different. CA was a geek too (physically that is).
Spidey's reflexes are at least 40x of a geek.
Originally posted by Captain REX
As a note for this thread, you cannot simply keep adding things to the fight, Marvelknight. The rules for the thread are stated in the first post, where you specified that there was no web and no shield. You said nothing of PIS or CIS. If you want those to apply, they need to be specified in the first post or they are non-applicable rules.Please keep that in mind.
It doesn't have to be setup as a rule, just for Spider-Man take this fight seriously. And for the record, there was also no rule or scenario that's has Spidey and Cap in a situation where they didn't really want to fight each other. Spidey only holds back when he is not trying to hurt his opponent. Not in a battle that requires him to in order to win. That is common sense, not a rule that I made later in the thread, as you put it. Spidey is fighting in-character, the same way he does when battling anyone of his villains. Which means that he is not holding back and he has to hurt them inorder to defeat them. It's no different in this fight, that reqiures a winner. And every real fight Spidey's has, he is not holding back. And this is a real fight. Not one that is happening because of certain currcumstances.
Originally posted by h1a8
reflexes and speed are different. CA was a geek too (physically that is).
Spidey's reflexes are at least 40x of a geek.
What makes you think Cap's aren't at least 38 times those of a geek? Think about it, how much would your speed have to improve in order for you to be able to see and react to bullet's after they're fired?
And for the record, Cap wasn't a geek he just lacked the genes to support a strong physical form. He was a talented artist(despite his age) before he tried to enlist in the army and he did it because he WANTED to fight in the war.
Artist>Geek
They are "in character" as it is the standard and they are not using webs or shield. And its hand to hand.
There fights in the past have shown Cap to have the edge even with Spidey being a bit ticked off in the first one.
Spiderman in close combat was losing to Cap in civil war and admitted he could spend 100 years learning the art and still be no match for Cap. Hand to hand is Cap's field.
So in this thread Spiderman is not trying to knock Cap's head clean off. Funny thing is with Cap's damage soak he could still take those hits, not indefintley of course.
Cap 6/10.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
It doesn't have to be setup as a rule, just for Spider-Man take this fight seriously. And for the record, there was also no rule or scenario that's has Spidey and Cap in a situation where they didn't really want to fight each other. Spidey only holds back when he is not trying to hurt his opponent. Not in a battle that requires him to in order to win. That is common sense, not a rule that I made later in the thread, as you put it.
"No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
"Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise . That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
If you want to change either of those you should let people know in the opening.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The problem with your "common sense" is that it often runs counter to the policy of the forum...."No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.[B]Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
"Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise . That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels." [/B]
I don't even think thats going to work, since I already showed him that in past pages of this thread.
Second he just argued above against a Mod. Anyhow it doesn't really matter.
Third he's just going to believe what he wants.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The problem with your "common sense" is that it often runs counter to the policy of the forum...."No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.[B]Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
"Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise . That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."If you want to change either of those you should let people know in the opening. [/B]
When you start using examples of SM when he is not holding back, then you can get back to me. Otherwise, I will not consider a fight that he had when he is holding back. Because I know full well that anytime he takes on villains such as Doc Oct, Venom, Scorpion, Rhino, and Green Goblin, he's not holding back. If you want to go by the rules of KMC, Spidey's showings with other opponents like the ones I just mention. Should be what defines Spider-Man's "in-character" since Spidey has battled those villains a lot more offend then he does with Cap.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
When you start using examples of SM when he is not holding back, then you can get back to me. Otherwise, I will not consider a fight that he had where he is holding back. When I know full well that anytime he takes on villains such Doc Oct, Venom, Scorpion, Rhino, and Green Goblin, he's not holding back. If want to go by the rules of KMC, Spidey's showings with other opponents like the ones I just mention. Should be what defines Spider-Man's "in-character" since Spidey has battled those villains more a lot more offend then he does with Cap.
Actually yes he does hold back, even against the likes of Scorpion. Plus your forgetting Cap holds back as well. Cap has also defeated Doc Oct, Scorpion, Rhino, and Tarantuala.
And yes Cap holds back against them as well. Otherwise you would see them decapitated by his razor sharp shield or strike them until there dead.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually yes he does hold back, even against the likes of Scorpion. Plus your forgetting Cap holds back as well. Cap has also defeated Doc Oct, Scorpion, Rhino, and Tarantuala.And yes Cap holds back against them as well. Otherwise you would see them decapitated by his razor sharp shield or strike them until there dead.
He holds back enough not to kill them. But not enough that he doesn't hurt them in order to put them down.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Spiderman knows his powerset. He knows how much force to use to leave them helpless or enough for the KO. He does this to regular joes all the time.
And I guest against Cap, Spidey somehow forgot to use his power when needed. And Doc Oct, Venom, Scorpion, Rhino, and Green Goblin are not villains I'd classify as regular joes. They all give Spidey a very hard time to deal with.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
And I guest against Cap, Spidey somehow forgot to use his power when needed. And Doc Oct, Venom, Scorpion, Rhino, and Green Goblin are not villains I'd classify as regular joes. They all give Spidey a very hard time to deal with.
Funny you say that...
Cap's beaten Doc Ock, Scorpion, the Rhino, and the Green Goblin.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
And I guest against Cap, Spidey somehow forgot to use his power when needed. And Doc Oct, Venom, Scorpion, Rhino, and Green Goblin are not villains I'd classify as regular joes.
And Cap has defeated Doc Oct, USAgent, Scorpion, Rhino, Hyde, Tarantuala, Beast and many more superhumans have lost to Cap as well. So you are not gaining anything by repeating that for Spiderman.
Forgot.... so thats your excuse. I see it as Cap just counters him well. Them scans don't lie.
🙂
I imagine you'll just roll your eyes again at me. Your choice.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
And Cap has defeated Doc Oct, USAgent, Scorpion, Rhino, Hyde, Tarantuala, Beast and many more superhumans have lost to Cap as well. So you are not gaining anything by repeating that for Spiderman.Forgot.... so thats your excuse. I see it as Cap just counters him well. Them scans don't lie.
🙂
I imagine you'll just roll your eyes again at me. Your choice.
We'll just have to agree to disagree 😐