Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Mindset
I've been wondering, where are these Daredevil fights with Spiderman that show them stalemating?

Because this pretty much sums up what would happen:

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9897/feat14fight1rz5.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/781/feat14fight2bp4.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9198/feat14fight3fa7.jpg

Actually there was a one were Daredevil one with circumstances and there last recent fight was a stalemate as they went back and fourth on one another.

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36sa.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49ir.jpg

And here's the stalemate match.

http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smatbc04page210jp.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smatbc04page229gg.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smatbc04page237bf.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermantheblackcat05page024i.jpg

Watch how the Spiderman fans cry PIS, CIS and everthing else. Point is Spiderman wins the majority and has the edge against Daredevil. But Daredevil won't lose "easily" to Spiderman.

Point is I'm a huge Daredevil "Fan". And even I can admit in most of there other fights Spiderman has the advantage and thus would win against Daredevil.

Thats the way it is. I could lie and say Daredevil wins but the proof is there in the books for the majority of there fights. Which is why I believe Spiderman wins against Daredevil. The Spiderman fans need to pick up a clue and do the same for the fights of Spiderman vs Cap.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually there was a one were Daredevil one with circumstances and there last recent fight was a stalemate as they went back and fourth on one another.

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36sa.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49ir.jpg

And here's the stalemate match.

http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smatbc04page210jp.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smatbc04page229gg.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smatbc04page237bf.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermantheblackcat05page024i.jpg

Watch how the Spiderman fans cry PIS, CIS and everthing else. Point is Spiderman wins the majority and has the edge against Daredevil. But Daredevil won't lose "easily" to Spiderman.

Point is I'm a huge Daredevil "Fan". And even I can admit in most of there other fights Spiderman has the advantage and thus would win against Daredevil.

Thats the way it is. I could lie and say Daredevil wins but the proof is there in the books for the majority of there fights. Which is why I believe Spiderman wins against Daredevil. The Spiderman fans need to pick up a clue and do the same for the fights of Spiderman vs Cap.

Except Spiderman and Daredevil have actually had fights, Cap and Spiderman have had brief scuffles where a couple punches are exchanged and then it's over, that is hardly proof that Cap will win.

And a stalemate where they both are being mind controlled? Because there are about 3 other fights where Spiderman is winning.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except Spiderman and Daredevil have actually had fights, Cap and Spiderman have had brief scuffles where a couple punches are exchanged and then it's over, that is hardly proof that Cap will win.

And a stalemate where they both are being mind controlled? Because there are about 3 other fights where Spiderman is winning.

Yes and the ones were Spiderman had the advantage were brief. The one were he won had circumstances.

Cap were brief but the second one was somewhat more extended. Point is Cap had the advantage and thus shows what it would. Again your just in denial it would seem.

As you said the were "both" mind controlled. So, eh.

So then after all that arguing everyone has some to there sense, spidey for the majority close thread.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then after all that arguing everyone has some to there sense, spidey for the majority close thread.

Yes against Daredevil he wins the majority. Against Cap no. That has yet to be proven. Heck it has yet to be proven Spiderman has even held the advantage on Cap.

And as far as its concerned Peter admitted he looks like a rookie in hand to hand.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except Spiderman and Daredevil have actually had fights, Cap and Spiderman have had brief scuffles where a couple punches are exchanged and then it's over, that is hardly proof that Cap will win.

And a stalemate where they both are being mind controlled? Because there are about 3 other fights where Spiderman is winning.

Spiderman had to rely on his tentacles to be a threat to cap, he was desperate and all his tricks was out the window. The sad thing about that was they fought again after that which showed spiderman being punched through a da** wall. Spiderman showings against cap is ridiculous and there should be no reasons for people to debate against cap when he has to many on panel showings of him beating spiderman a**.

Good fight but cap get a healthy majority.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes and the ones were Spiderman had the advantage were brief. The one were he won had circumstances.

Cap were brief but the second one was somewhat more extended. Point is Cap had the advantage and thus shows what it would. Again your just in denial it would seem.

As you said the were "both" mind controlled. So, eh.

Not brief:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/560/feat6fight1or0.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2558/feat6fight2jh0.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8794/feat6fight3bx5.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6965/feat45fight1nr2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9286/feat45fight2fp3.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feat45fight3kj2.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8471/feat45fight4bo0.jpg

The only circumstance was he didn't know this was DD he was fighting:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9897/feat14fight1rz5.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/781/feat14fight2bp4.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9198/feat14fight3fa7.jpg

Both being mindcontrolled means neither was fighting well so that fight doesn't really tell us much, that was my point.

Now what where Cap's fights, I've seen one where he punched Spiderman once. Then in ASM where Cap punched him 3 times. How many times did he hit him the other time, twice? Yes, you're comparing those fights to the ones he had with DD and I'm the one in denial.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman had to rely on his tentacles to be a threat to cap, he was desperate and all his tricks was out the window. The sad thing about that was they fought again after that which showed spiderman being punched through a da** wall. Spiderman showings against cap is ridiculous and there should be no reasons for people to debate against cap when he has to many on panel showings of him beating spiderman a**.

Good fight but cap get a healthy majority.

There are a lot of reasons. And they didn't have fights to the finish, just small confrontations. You're try to their little scuffles as evidenced for what would happen in a real fight.

Originally posted by Mindset
Not brief:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/560/feat6fight1or0.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2558/feat6fight2jh0.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8794/feat6fight3bx5.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6965/feat45fight1nr2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9286/feat45fight2fp3.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feat45fight3kj2.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8471/feat45fight4bo0.jpg

The only circumstance was he didn't know this was DD he was fighting:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9897/feat14fight1rz5.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/781/feat14fight2bp4.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9198/feat14fight3fa7.jpg

Both being mindcontrolled means neither was fighting well so that fight doesn't really tell us much, that was my point.

Now what where Cap's fights, I've seen one where he punched Spiderman once. Then in ASM where Cap punched him 3 times. How many times did he hit him the other time, twice? Yes, you're comparing those fights to the ones he had with DD and I'm the one in denial.

Actually that last one wasn't that long. And yet most of those had some type of circumstance at that while none of the Spiderman vs Cap had real circumstances.

Doesn't change the fact that the first one Spiderman was angry and set not to take orders but realized he had no choice and the admitance of what he stated about Cap about hand to hand.

Denial is not accepting Cap had the advantage. Daredevil stalemated Spiderman since there both handicapped in mind controlled its a balance unless you want to argue if affected one more over the other. Then you would have to prove that.

Yes you are in denial and your point of them be brief is not much of the point since Spiderman didn't have the advantage in any of them at all.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
There are a lot of reasons. And they didn't have fights to the finish, just small confrontations. You're try to their little scuffles as evidenced for what would happen in a real fight.

Of course because its all we have to go on.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually that last one wasn't that long. And yet most of those had some type of circumstance at that while none of the Spiderman vs Cap had real circumstances.

Doesn't change the fact that the first one Spiderman was angry and set not to take orders but realized he had no choice and the admitance of what he stated about Cap about hand to hand.

Denial is not accepting Cap had the advantage. Daredevil stalemated Spiderman since there both handicapped in mind controlled its a balance unless you want to argue if affected one more over the other. Then you would have to prove that.

Yes you are in denial and your point of them be brief is not much of the point since Spiderman didn't have the advantage in any of them at all.

But DD said that he would ever out fight Spider-Man in normal circumstances. And that Spidey is far too strong and faster.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
But DD said that he would ever out fight Spider-Man in normal circumstances. And that Spidey is far too strong and faster.

Agreed which is another reason I give Spidey the advantage against Daredevil. But look at the statements that Spidey said about Cap and there bouts. Its the words and the actions that separate from just opinions.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually that last one wasn't that long. And yet most of those had some type of circumstance at that while none of the Spiderman vs Cap had real circumstances.

Doesn't change the fact that the first one Spiderman was angry and set not to take orders but realized he had no choice and the admitance of what he stated about Cap about hand to hand.

Denial is not accepting Cap had the advantage. Daredevil stalemated Spiderman since there both handicapped in mind controlled its a balance unless you want to argue if affected one more over the other. Then you would have to prove that.

Yes you are in denial and your point of them be brief is not much of the point since Spiderman didn't have the advantage in any of them at all.

You don't even have any clue what you're talking about, do you?

For me to be in denial I would have had to be denying something, what was I denying to be true? When did I say Cap didn't have the advantage, reading comprehension my friend, actually in your case just reading at all would help.

Two fighters both have the flu and they stalemate, can that really be used as a gauge to who is the better fighter? Especially when one fighter wins almost every other time.

Originally posted by Mindset
You don't even have any clue what you're talking about, do you?

For me to be in denial I would have had to be denying something, what was I denying to be true? When did I say Cap didn't have the advantage, reading comprehension my friend, actually in your case just reading at all would help.

Two fighters both have the flu and they stalemate, can that really be used as a gauge to who is the better fighter? Especially when one fighter wins almost every other time.

Every other time. You mean advantage every other time. Spiderman never really got lots of true wins, every other time. But enough advantages to seal the deal. Like in Cap's case. Except that its not the flu nor hinted that one was handicapped more then the other.

Your mention of them being brief is not much of point that Spiderman would have gotten the edge. More like a coulda woulda should of type thinking your going by.

If you are trying to state that those fights don't mean much. Yet those are the only fights we have to go on. Feel free to prove it in a manner that would be acceptable by proof that Spiderman will ultimately win. Because that in itself is denial on what we do have.

You are right most fights due have circumstances that give another fighter the advantage at the time. But not much if any at all for the Spiderman vs Cap fights.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Every other time. You mean advantage every other time. Spiderman never really got lots of true wins, every other time. But enough advantages to seal the deal. Like in Cap's case. Except that its not the flu nor hinted that one was handicapped more then the other.

Your mention of them being brief is not much of point that Spiderman would have gotten the edge. More like a coulda woulda should of type thinking your going by.

If you are trying to state that those fights don't mean much. Yet those are the only fights we have to go on. Feel free to prove it in a manner that would be acceptable by proof that Spiderman will ultimately win. Because that in itself is denial on what we do have.

You are right most fights due have circumstances that give another fighter the advantage at the time. But not much if any at all for the Spiderman vs Cap fights.

Which isn't much. Cap and Spidey's scuffles had circumstances. Neither of them were putting their all into the fight. And the reason why Cap had the advantage is because Spidey was fighting him on his level.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
There are a lot of reasons. And they didn't have fights to the finish, just small confrontations. You're try to their little scuffles as evidenced for what would happen in a real fight.

Answer this for me, in all of there small scuffles, why is spiderman always on the losing end.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
But DD said that he would ever out fight Spider-Man in normal circumstances. And that Spidey is far too strong and faster.

Well he kinda showed different in that fight since spiderman had to rely on webbing to even get a lick on daredevil. Daredevil was walking all over spiderman in the beginning of the fight until AGAIN webbing saved the day and then spiderman still ended up getting koed in the end.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this for me, in all of there small scuffles, why is spiderman always on the losing end.

If you payed attention to my post, would've already had your answer before you even asked the question.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
If you payed attention to my post, would've already had your answer before you even asked the question.

Gotcha, but what makes you think that they werent putting there all when spiderman couldnt even land a lick in almost all of there confrontations. And why would spiderman pull out his tentacle to even land a lick when he could have easily used his hands if he was holding back.

Just dont make sense to me.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha, but what makes you think that they werent putting there all when spiderman couldnt even land a lick in almost all of there confrontations. And why would spiderman pull out his tentacle to even land a lick when he could have easily used his hands if he was holding back.

Just dont make sense to me.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
The reason why The Great Galen, h1a8, myself and others believe that it is pis. Is not just because what is shown on panel but because of their power sets. Spider has superhuman strength, reflexes, speed, agility, and durability. Cap is a peak human and all of his attributes are at a peak human level. Aside from that. Cap (like Batman) has the a big jobber aura. And Spidey is a victim of constance pis against certain martial artist. Spider-Man's SS can detect oncoming and potential danger. So unless his opponent is considerably faster than him (and Cap is not), there is no reason why SM's SS and his "SUPERHUMAN" reflexes, speed, and agility shouldn't keep him from harms way. And yes I understand that Cap is on another level compared to your average thug and he can also dodge bullets. So can Nightwing or Robin. But that still doesn't mean that they have the same kind of agility as Spider-Man. Cap, Batman, Green Arrow, and others have throw an object. And they will most likely aways hit their target. But does that mean that they are as good as Bullseye? No. And if everybody wants to use whats on panel, they should also include the other factors as well.