Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Marvelknight

and you know what, that post that you just presented throws years of feats and things that have happened in comics out the window.

People fail to realize that it has been hundreds of scans presented in this one battle that shows cap having super human reflexes but you all fail to realize that. Why didnt anyone join the battlezone that was offered previous pages before because Im quite sure that he would have proven that cap is just as fast as spiderman which he is. Spiderman dont just have one bad showing against top tier martial artist, he has years of it, so when would you all not consider it pis, how many more years of spiderman being owned by high level fighters have to go by before people realize that hes not in cap, wolvie, etc.. league in h2h.

Now if spiderman had previous showings against high tier martial artist and he actually did good and defeated them and when facing cap he loses, then yes I would scream pis but the thing about this is that he has been owned by task master, got beat down by a mid tier fighter, king pin, almost easily got killed by sabertooth, got owned by wolverine on more then one occasion, got owned by daredevil until he resorted to his webbing, got dropped by cap on EVERY one of there encounters, got dropped by elektra with a stab to the shoulder and actually passed out, got owned by black panther, got knocked out by silver samurai and basically humiliated, iron fist humiliated him. I can just keep going but again you all throw that out of the window due to this imaginary spiderman that you all think could walk circle around people that he has fail to do so in the past.

Cap 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
and you know what, that post that you just presented throws years of feats and things that have happened in comics out the window.

People fail to realize that it has been hundreds of scans presented in this one battle that shows cap having super human reflexes but you all fail to realize that. Why didnt anyone join the battlezone that was offered previous pages before because Im quite sure that he would have proven that cap is just as fast as spiderman which he is. Spiderman dont just have one bad showing against top tier martial artist, he has years of it, so when would you all not consider it pis, how many more years of spiderman being owned by high level fighters have to go by before people realize that hes not in cap, wolvie, etc.. league in h2h.

Now if spiderman had previous showings against high tier martial artist and he actually did good and defeated them and when facing cap he loses, then yes I would scream pis but the thing about this is that he has been owned by task master, got beat down by a mid tier fighter, king pin, almost easily got killed by sabertooth, got owned by wolverine on more then one occasion, got owned by daredevil until he resorted to his webbing, got dropped by cap on EVERY one of there encounters, got dropped by elektra with a stab to the shoulder and actually passed out, got owned by black panther, got knocked out by silver samurai and basically humiliated, iron fist humiliated him. I can just keep going but again you all throw that out of the window due to this imaginary spiderman that you all think could walk circle around people that he has fail to do so in the past.

Cap 8/10

Originally posted by Mindset
Not brief:
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The only circumstance was he didn't know this was DD he was fighting:
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Both being mindcontrolled means neither was fighting well so that fight doesn't really tell us much, that was my point.

Now what where Cap's fights, I've seen one where he punched Spiderman once. Then in ASM where Cap punched him 3 times. How many times did he hit him the other time, twice? Yes, you're comparing those fights to the ones he had with DD and I'm the one in denial.

He did pretty to me in these fights. DD is a A-list martial artist.

Originally posted by jinzin
How do you know?

Where is that stated?

That's like stating that a mortal can't beat a god, which in comics and fiction is ludicrous.
You're entire arguments based off of hyperbole, noncannon, titles, and benefits of the doubt.. it's not an effective argument. I could argue the pro-Spidey side better than you have without having to resort to such bias tactics.

What are you talking about?
It is common sense that Super>>>>Peak Human.
That has nothing to do with who will win though.

We are arguing who is faster.
Super speed>>>Peak human speed no matter how fast peak human speed is. CA is peak human. Always has been always will be (unless they bring him back to life and grant him actual super powers).

And carver9, just for the record. Cap doesn't have any attribute that is on a "superhuman" level.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
He did pretty to me in these fights. DD is a A-list martial artist.

daredevil is a a lister but he isnt cap or wolverine. You do know that wolverine beat daredevil in like two panels TWICE. Again I do consider him a a list character but he isnt on caps league.

By the way in the 1st scans he did pretty good against daredevil, as soon as he used his webs. Spiderman was getting thrashed by daredevil and he even said so himself untiil he resorting again, to his webbing. Daredevil and spiderman have wins against each other.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And carver9, just for the record. Cap doesn't have any attribute that is on a "superhuman" level.

There have been plenty of scans that has been put up that proves otherwise, by the way I have always wanted to know how you people take someones post and put it up on there post and respond to it. How did you do that?

Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about?
It is common sense that Super>>>>Peak Human.
That has nothing to do with who will win though.

We are arguing who is faster.
Super speed>>>Peak human speed no matter how fast peak human speed is. CA is peak human. Always has been always will be (unless they bring him back to life and grant him actual super powers).

since you truly believe this statement, join the battle board that darthgoober challenged someone to. I would love to see the outcome.

Originally posted by carver9
There have been plenty of scans that has been put up that proves otherwise, by the way I have always wanted to know how you people take someones post and put it up on there post and respond to it. How did you do that?

Wrong. That is your interpretation of it. Cap doesn't have superhuman speed. Oh my god, are you serious? So I guest every street leveler that can dodge bullet has superhuman speed then. That is a very ignorant statement, I'm sorry to say. But that is the truth. I don't I need to say any more at this point now, later spiderman-sm

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So the only leg you have to stand on is horrid comparisons of textbook PIS and somehow you think that would apply to this fight? I can't believe you actually believe yourself........

Surfer=Herald Planet buster.

Spidey=low level superhuman

Cap=Peak Human

To make it even more dumbed down for you, Peak human is the next step in human evolution, it is defined as "as high as a human can be before reaching superhuman"

Superhuman is 10, Peak human is 9.99999.

This is why, aside from strength, peak humans have agility and speed feats so comparable to spideys. Its because they ARE practically superman.

Let me meet a guy in real life who can run at 60+ and can run the mile in a minute, I'm saying to myself that mutha****** is superhuman.

False. There is a huge gap between super human and peak human.
super human strength must be at least 10 times that of a peak human. And super human speed is more than twice that of a peak human. The in between is enhanced human. So Super>Enhanced>Peak.

But even if Super is next to Peak your logic is still wrong.
You say that CA is 9.999 where 10 represents the beginning of Super humanism. You assume Spidey is at 10, but spidey is not at the beginning of super humanism. For the beginnings of super humanism strength is 2-10ton strength (enhanced human is 800lb to 2ton range). Spiderman's strength is at least in the 10-25ton range which makes him in the second level of Super human. This goes for his speed also (Spidey is two levels above CA in speed).

Note: There are many levels of Super humanism.

Originally posted by superbatman86
The thing your not getting is that your placing arbitrary limits on something that has not been defined to those limits.All we know is that peak human is physically weaker than guys like Sabertooth and Spiderman,Slower than first appearance Quiksilver.Other than that we don't know what their limits are.They could be woefully slower and weaker than this or just barely.

What you are not getting is that I'm not giving Peak Human any limits.
Let peak human speed be 1000000mph for all I care.
But Super human has to be much greater than Peak no matter what peak limits are. Do you understand?

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wrong. That is your interpretation of it. Cap doesn't have superhuman speed. Oh my god, are you serious? So I guest every street leveler that can dodge bullet has superhuman speed then. That is a very ignorant statement, I'm sorry to say. But that is the truth. I don't I need to say any more at this point now, later spiderman-sm

If they have performed super human feats on numerous of occasions throughout there career like cap has then yes I would say that they are super human. Again there have been to many scans that have been put up that proves this but again you all fail to realize this.

Have a good one marvel knight, nice debating against you, even though I won.

Originally posted by carver9
If they have performed super human feats on numerous of occasions throughout there career like cap has then yes I would say that they are super human. Again there have been to many scans that have been put up that proves this but again you all fail to realize this.

Have a good one marvel knight, nice debating against you, even though I won.

No, you lost because you gave wrong information. Cap doesn't have superhuman speed. And you can't prove it because nowhere does it say that Cap has "superhuman" speed. It's an assumption on your part. And a really bad one at that.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No you lost because you gave wrong information. Cap doesn't have superhuman speed. And you can't prove it because nowhere does it say that Cap has "superhuman" speed. It's an assumption on your part. And a really bad one at that.

Ok but did you see all the feats posted of Caps speed feats?

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Which isn't much. Cap and Spidey's scuffles had circumstances. Neither of them were putting their all into the fight. And the reason why Cap had the advantage is because Spidey was fighting him on his level.

Actually there first fight Spidey was pissed "off" and angry. And Cap still got the advantage.

Also there were not circumstances in the sense that one was handicapped by a outstide source of having there power down or mentally unstable.

Yes they held back but from there own standards as they are "in character". Which is the standard by there rules. So that is a moot point as already discussed backin the past pages of this very thread.

Bringing it up again is no point whatsoever.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No, you lost because you gave wrong information. Cap doesn't have superhuman speed. And you can't prove it because nowhere does it say that Cap has "superhuman" speed. It's an assumption on your part. And a really bad one at that.

And Cap Peak Potential Speed has shown to be enough in regards to Spiderman anyways and the vast Metas that he faces.

Plus his speed feats tend to be just as impressive even if there a bit below. Doesn't really hinder him in there battles and with the many of Spiderman foes as well.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but did you see all the feats posted of Caps speed feats?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And Cap Peak Potential Speed has shown to be enough in regards to Spiderman anyways and the vast Metas that he faces.

Plus his speed feats tend to be just as impressive even if there a bit below. Doesn't really hinder him in there battles and with the many of Spiderman foes as well.

Many of Spidey's foes don't have his speed to begin with.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Yeah, I've also seen Batman and Daredevil's too. They don't don't have superhuman speed. And once again, where in any Marvel handbook or comic does it say that Cap has superhuman speed. Wow, this is desperation at its finest.

I dont think he has superhuman speed he has peak human or enhanced speed, the point is that there almost as good as Spidermans.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Many of Spidey's foes don't have his speed to begin with.

Scorpion has superhuman speed....Tarantular is human but hes shown to give Spiderman trouble.

And Spider-Man isn't really using his speed in their fights. Cap keep up if Spidey is on the move. His agility and speed difference will show.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And Spider-Man isn't really using his speed in their fights.

😆 How do you know that?