Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, it is. You're using a couple pages from one issue of a comic where the fight didn't even finish, and Spiderman was too busy admiring Cap ti show any skill to show Cap wins.If that's not your proof then what are you using?
The fact that Cap has shown to be Spiderman's superior in h2h combat on at least 4 seperate occassions now?
The fact that Spiderbot who was Spiderman's match, had his powers, and ran through the Avengers new he shouldn't be messing with Cap in h2h because Cap was simply too savy in his fighting knowledge?
The fact that Cap is a superior h2h combatant to Spiderman by MULTITUDES by stats, by feats, and by Spiderman's own admission?
The fact that Spiderman's had trouble in h2h against everyone from Fancy Dan to Taskmaster and back again and that Cap is a tier or three above most of those guys if not all of them?
Or maybe it's just that by Spiderman's own admission... "Cap always finds a way!" 😛
Originally posted by Mindset
For instance?
Black Cat, Black Panther, White Tiger, White ninja, X-23, The Enforcers, Daredevil, Taskmaster, Punisher, Nightcrawler (h2h), Kingpin, Backlash, Doc Doom (h2h), Cage (h2h)..and the list truly goes on and on.... 😐
Oh oh! And the 5 times that Spiderman has engaged Captain America in combat with webs and hasn't won.... 😬
If there is no PIS involved, Spiderman takes it. H2H skill wise Cap is the better. Experience wise, although Cap has more under his belt, it doesn't give him any real advantage, as Pete is also very experienced- having fought numerous foes from street muggers to cosmic heralds.
In spiderman's favour he is at least 25 times stronger, is faster and more agile-and he has Spidersense.
His poor showings were wre down to incosistanciesby writers. There was one story, from the 70's, where he teamed up with Punisher and Nightcrawler in which Spiderman was beaten up and knocked out by TWO of Jigsaw's hired thugs. In another story he struggled to overturn a limo. In a story written by someone who knows what Spiderman's true power level is, he would overturn the limo EASILY with 1 hand and those 2 ordinary thugs wouldn't lay a finger on him and he would ko them with a couple of playful slaps. At the other end of the scale though, Pete should never beat Firelord. But Cap isn't Firelord. A couple of good punches from even 10ton Spiderman should end the fight
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Originally posted by BUSTER1
If there is no PIS involved, Spiderman takes it. H2H skill wise Cap is the better. Experience wise, although Cap has more under his belt, it doesn't give him any real advantage, as Pete is also very experienced- having fought numerous foes from street muggers to cosmic heralds.
In spiderman's favour he is at least 25 times stronger, is faster and more agile-and he has Spidersense.
His poor showings were wre down to incosistanciesby writers. There was one story, from the 70's, where he teamed up with Punisher and Nightcrawler in which Spiderman was beaten up and knocked out by TWO of Jigsaw's hired thugs. In another story he struggled to overturn a limo. In a story written by someone who knows what Spiderman's true power level is, he would overturn the limo EASILY with 1 hand and those 2 ordinary thugs wouldn't lay a finger on him and he would ko them with a couple of playful slaps. At the other end of the scale though, Pete should never beat Firelord. But Cap isn't Firelord. A couple of good punches from even 10ton Spiderman should end the fight
ARGGGHHHH!!!!! THERE IS NO PIS!!!!!!! durhulk
Originally posted by Marvelknight
You continue to fill this thread with your nonsense and completely ignore the scans I've posted. So is Cap a better fighter than Wolverine and is he more durable? Because last I check, Wolverine is considers one of Marvels very top most skilled martial artist.So by your logic, Cap is faster than Quick Silver?
http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spydvsquicksilver1b0yd.jpg
Dodging a bullet AFTER it’s shot
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479
Oh yeah, it sure is logical that Cap should be able to even land a single hit on him. Because his reflexes are just as fast, right 😬
😆 So Cap is as durable as Wolverine too right?
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvswolverine572ej.jpg
And yet the X-Men can't stop him, see how easily he smacks Wolverine aside.
http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyxmen11kx.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyxmen27do.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyxmen35so.jpg😆 Well you've only proved my point. Spider-Man at his "best" of his ability has taken on and defeated far more than Cap could ever offer, Scorpion, Venom, Carnage, Electro, Green Goblin etc. 😬
Dodging lasers, bullets after they've been fired? That's something every street level does in an afternoon warmup.. How on earth do you think that proves that Siderman's superior to Cap when he's pulling off the same stunts.. hell Cap has dodged lasers and bullets while weaving through explosions without even looking at them.
He's blocked bullets with a sheild sling after they've been fired.
And Quicksilvers been hit by everyone from Gambit to Arkon to.. ho hey! Cap's hit Quicksilver! 😱
Spiderman's reflexes? Sure they might be faster than a "normal humans" so what? So are Caps... he's not even close to what we consider to be a "normal human"... This defection that people get into in every h2h Spiderman debate to think that Spiderman's untouchable is absurd.. He's never been portrayed that way against high end street level outside of a couple circumstantial instances... funny how instances as inconsistent as those are written off as PIS when it's other characters huh?
And.. you want to talk about written down and up? The X-Men in Secret Wars were clearly written down.. And Spiderman didn't beat them in a fight they were trying to capture him without hurting him...
Wolverine vs. Spiderman? I don't know what you think that proves either. In the graveyard fight Wolverine was clearly holding back and still fought Spiderman to a stalemate.. He let Spiderman unload on him and still fought Spiderman to a stalemate.. Doesn't help that Logan's had Spiderman at claw point, dead to rights or beaten in a fight every time since then does it.... 😐
And Scorpion, Doc, GG... pfffftt... Most of Spiderman's villains are clowns when it comes to h2h fighting..
Spiderman never beats Venom or Carnage without a weapon, help, or a plan...
Doc ock and GG.. Cap beat female ock, and hobgoblin at the same time while they tried to surprise attack him... 😬
He's beaten Doc Ock, and Scorpion too... your evidence is one sided and horrible at that.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
If there is no PIS involved, Spiderman takes it. H2H skill wise Cap is the better. Experience wise, although Cap has more under his belt, it doesn't give him any real advantage, as Pete is also very experienced- having fought numerous foes from street muggers to cosmic heralds.
In spiderman's favour he is at least 25 times stronger, is faster and more agile-and he has Spidersense.
His poor showings were wre down to incosistanciesby writers. There was one story, from the 70's, where he teamed up with Punisher and Nightcrawler in which Spiderman was beaten up and knocked out by TWO of Jigsaw's hired thugs. In another story he struggled to overturn a limo. In a story written by someone who knows what Spiderman's true power level is, he would overturn the limo EASILY with 1 hand and those 2 ordinary thugs wouldn't lay a finger on him and he would ko them with a couple of playful slaps. At the other end of the scale though, Pete should never beat Firelord. But Cap isn't Firelord. A couple of good punches from even 10ton Spiderman should end the fight
Don't know what leads you to that conclusion. Spiderman having problems in h2h with good fighters is a norm and in no way representative of PIS. It's a standard. 😬
Cap's durability is strong enough to take class 10 punches and it always has been.
Originally posted by jinzin
Don't know what leads you to that conclusion. Spiderman having problems in h2h with good fighters is a norm and in no way representative of PIS. It's a standard. 😬Cap's durability is strong enough to take class 10 punches and it always has been.
In my opinion it is PIS - a man who can punch Rhino unconscious, with a handful of punches and who can knockout Firelord should have no trouble with street levellers. Do you think Spidey should've beat Firelord?
Originally posted by BUSTER1
In my opinion it is PIS - a man who can punch Rhino unconscious, with a handful of punches
Cap has Koed people tougher than Rhino. 😐
Originally posted by BUSTER1
and who can knockout Firelord should have no trouble with street levellers. Do you think Spidey should've beat Firelord?
Thats PIS comparing SvFL to Sv Cap is illogical, for starters the main difference is that Spiderman only has a big advantage in terms of strength. FL was superior to Spiderman in every way.
Cap's knocked Rhino out with kicks and punches.
Spiderman knocked out Firelord after heapload of plot devices and hitting him most likely hundreds of times before FL went down and even that is considered PIS... in fact that's the feat that set a standard for PIS... 😐
Spiderman has had trouble with street levels on a far more massive consistency than he has KOing bricks and heralds...
Not really my place to say. But I think that Firelord was written down and Spiderman up in that instance.. As do most.
Jinzin and Phantom-you are making my arguement for me. I have already said thet Spidey shouldn't beat Firelord-that fight was PIS. But he shouldn't lose to street levellers either. You state correctly that in the Firelord fight Firelord was written down. Spiderman is written down in a lot of stories, including ones where he faced off against Captain America.
As for Spiderman's own comments about Captain America, regarding his H2H skill, if you know anything about Spiderman, it is he reveres Cap and he tends to play down his own abilites
