Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No he is not durable enough to withstand Spidey punches with full force behind it. 🤨 That is the most stupid statement I've ever heard. Spidey could rip him in half if he wanted to, more durable my ass. Cap doesn't have his shield. He isn't taking any kind hit from Spidey, with full force behind it. And robots will never be better than humans with great potential . They have limitations that humans can surpass. That was another stupid comment.

😆 This just sums up this thread, "Nu -uh I dont think so'". I dont even think I can be bothered to argue you guys basically dont know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap's is superior in skill. and Parker holds back. That is why Cap has had the advantage on him in the past.

Dont forget the robot clone of Spiderman that was not holding back.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I don't have a problem with you, or those who think Cap would win, I just don't like seeing sub-par debating and insults being thrown around when none are needed.

Robot clone of Spiderman could not take Cap in H2H? With all due respect that deserves a response. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😆 This just sums up this thread, "Nu -uh I dont think so'". I dont even think I can be bothered to argue you guys basically dont know what you're talking about.

We do know what we are talking about, you're not in-touch with reality. You try to bring up rules about they're "fighting in-character", that's weak and desperate. And most of all, it doesn't make any sense. This vs forum where he are given the power (god-like) to take any character from any universe and make battle each other. There is nothing holding them back and no pis. they are going to have either one of two attitudes going into this. I'm going to do my best and get it over with or I'm going to kick his/her f***ing ass. And anytime Spidey wants to kick someone f***ing ass, it gets done. DigiMark007, said it best and I completely agree with him. And I fully agree with Mindset, that Spidey skills are lowered. There way that Cap should land a single hit on Spidey. Nor should he take any attack from Spidey when he's not holding back. Consider what he is capable of when he is pissed off. Even when comparing their feats, it not even completely the same. Spidey is on another level all together. Cap does not dodge bullets to the same degree as Spider-Man nor is he anywhere near his level of speed, agility, and reflexes. Spidey stomps all over him in this battle.

Spidey takes this 8/10.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Robot clone of Spiderman could not take Cap in H2H? With all due respect that deserves a response. 😐

With the same respect, what you quoted of mine wasn't even a point for Spidey. It was part of my discussion with DD. I haven't actually been debating in this thread after offering my two cents on page one.

So maybe someone else will field it, and I'm sure it's a valid point that should be addressed, but I'm not really a fan of vs. threads for the most part and actually don't know the incident you're referring to, so I wouldn't be the best qualified to answer it anyway.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I think the above answers everything I need to say. Continue believing what you want. Others see and read.

K.

srug

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As digi said earlier, copy and pasting scans from a respect thread is not debating. Most people in this thread have debated on this forum for a decent length of time so most of us are very familiar with what the characters are and are not capable of.

We all know that spiderman is stronger, more durable and more agile then cap; with cap being infinitely more skilled. Spidey could put cap down in a but a few well placed blows, and cap could just as easily disable spiderman with but a few well place nerve strikes. (Hell even one well placed nerve strike could disable spiderman to the point where the fight is effectively over)

Basically, either combatant has the ability to end the fight rather quickly. I believe the only thing that should matter is speed and reaction time; who will be able to get the first blows in?

Spiderman is 15 times more agile then normal humans however this does not equate to being 15 times faster.

Spiderman has been shown in the past to have problems against street levelers in H2H. There are times when he has made them look foolish, and there are times when he has looked foolish, and most top streetlevers have victory's or have gotten the better of spiderman, some multiple times. Some may argue he pulls his punches, but pulling your punches is still no excuse for getting tagged in the face as much as spiderman does, I mean if he does have superior speed in all, why couldn't he just keep dodging right?

The only plausible median is Spiderman is not much faster (reaction and speed wise) then most top street levelers, I mean if they are able to hang and keep up with him consistently, I don't see how anyone can say "OMG Spiderman is so fast cap will be standing still" when in fact comics has shown us otherwise.

Is spiderman faster then cap, sure he is, i have no problem admitting that. Is he so fast that cap will not be able to cope with it, HELL NO. Just because spidey dodges bullets with a triple hand spring doesn't make caps dodging feats any less. Hell I could say Cap dodges bullets more efficiently to waste less energy and move in much faster to his target.

Cap has already study Pete's style, he already knows how Pete fights. Cap may not be as fast as Pete but he is definitely fast enough to keep up. Couple this with caps immense skill advantage and we have one hell of a fight.

The fight would not last but a few seconds, either combatant has the ability to end the fight quick. I just think that since spidey has outright admitted cap was better them him in H2H, Pete's going to have problems.

People can say spidey is so much faster all they want but again cap, black panther, wolverine, daredevil and others have proven otherwise.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
People can say spidey is so much faster all they want but again cap, black panther, wolverine, daredevil and others have proven otherwise.

I don't know that anyone questions this. But I'd only agree with saying they've proven otherwise if by proven we mean that they are in Spidey's league and able to compete with him, not > Spidey in speed/reflexes/agility. Pete wouldn't be running circles around him...far from it. But he does have every edge, some greater than others, besides skill of course. To argue otherwise would just be false. The question, probably largely subjective, then becomes to what extent would Cap's H2H skill negate Pete's strength, slight speed edge, and durability advantage.

I, and I would assume most of the other Spidey supporters, are of the mind that Pete wouldn't have to land nearly as many blows to put Cap down, so even if the punch/kick total is heavily in Cap's favor, he's more likely to fall, given the amount of damage Pete has taken before and Cap's lower durability mixed with Pete's strength.

Also lost, imo, is the fact that Cap's ability to take punishment stems in part from his shield, which he doesn't have for this fight. He wields it masterfully, but it's pretty much the reason he can hold his own against opponents that are >>> he is. Pete's webs aren't nearly the loss that Cap's shield is in this fight.

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I look at it like this. I have no training in any sort of fighting. But if you pitted me against a skilled martial artist, and told me that I'd be given 15x his strength, maybe 1.5x durability, and 1.5x speed (cautious estimates imo), I'd happily take it and consider myself the favorite in the fight. He'd hit me lots, and it would hurt. Beating me wouldn't be impossible, and he might experience his way to a few wins out of 10. But I'd still like my chances the vast majority of the time.

It isn't just that Spiderman is faster, more agile and stronger, he also has his spider-sense. Unfortunately, writers have made this sense somewhat into a plot device: depending on what the story calls for, Spiderman sometimes senses danger (including individual blows), sometimes not. Then again, Spidey's physical prowess has varied quite a bit too, depending on where that particular story is going and who his nemesis is.

At their best, I don't see Cap laying a finger on Spiderman, while Spiderman could land a real haymaker. Cap's main advantage will be his knowing how Spiderman tends to fight and applying skill accordingly.

Lastly, Spiderman is not exactly a slouch when it comes to tactical fighting. He'll have had experience as well fighting Cap and realize what he has to do and avoid.

Spiderman 2/3

Originally posted by Mindship
It isn't just that Spiderman is faster, more agile and stronger, he also has his spider-sense. Unfortunately, writers have made this sense somewhat into a plot device: depending on what the story calls for, Spiderman sometimes senses danger (including individual blows), sometimes not. Then again, Spidey's physical prowess has varied quite a bit too, depending on where that particular story is going and who his nemesis is.

At their best, I don't see Cap laying a finger on Spiderman, while Spiderman could land a real haymaker. Cap's main advantage will be his knowing how Spiderman tends to fight and applying skill accordingly.

Lastly, Spiderman is not exactly a slouch when it comes to tactical fighting. He'll have had experience as well fighting Cap and realize what he has to do and avoid.

Spiderman 2/3

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Originally posted by DigiMark007

I look at it like this. I have no training in any sort of fighting. But if you pitted me against a skilled martial artist, and told me that I'd be given 15x his strength, maybe 1.5x durability, and 1.5x speed (cautious estimates imo), I'd happily take it and consider myself the favorite in the fight. He'd hit me lots, and it would hurt. Beating me wouldn't be impossible, and he might experience his way to a few wins out of 10. But I'd still like my chances the vast majority of the time.

And I believe that's what most spidey backers believe. But sadly, that's just not the case when it comes to cap. Think about it like this, you said you would be given all those abilities against a skilled martial artist; however calling cap just a "Skilled" martial artist is downplaying what he really is.

Take every athletic world record we have in the world today and give them all to one man, then take those athletic abilities and increase them even more. After that, give this man the ability to master a entire style of martial arts in a few days, and the fighting ability and all of the worlds greatest marital artist combined...x2.

After that give this man the tactical genius of nearly every military commander in history, not the mention the tactical minds of the greatest martial artist mentioned above.

And finally give him near unlimited stamina.....

After all that, we might be in the realm of what cap really is in comics.

On top of that this man would not have to hit you lots of times, one nerve strike and your superior stats and abilities that you were so heavily leaning on are now cut in half if not more.

I understand wholeheartedly what you are trying to say, spideys abilities are so far Superior to cap that they will make up for his lack of skill.

But that's exactly what guys like cap and bp want guys like pete to believe. They have every advantage in this fight, so why should they be worried about a mere human, even if he is skilled?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And I believe that's what most spidey backers believe. But sadly, that's just not the case when it comes to cap. Think about it like this, you said you would be given all those abilities against a skilled martial artist; however calling cap just a "Skilled" martial artist is downplaying what he really is.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying Cap is merely skilled. I realize he's more than that. But I feel like the percent gap between myself and a skilled MAist is analagous to Spidey/Cap, since it's not like thousands of fights didn't give Pete any skill. You took my analogy and applied it literally to the fight, in a way that skews it to seem like it's unfair to Cap. I don't believe it to be so. Saying a Skilled MAist = Cap is preposterous, but so is saying Digi = Spidey in skill.

Spider-Man has dodged bullets. Cap was killed by a bullet. End of discussion. Spidey is the fastar!!!

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Spider-Man has dodged bullets. Cap was killed by a bullet. End of discussion. Spidey is the fastar!!!

Originally posted by Mindship
It isn't just that Spiderman is faster, more agile and stronger, he also has his spider-sense.

The gap isnt big enough to make a difference. Cap is capable of dodging a large number of Spidermans punches so for starters that doesnt even matter if hes stronger.

Originally posted by Mindship

Unfortunately, writers have made this sense somewhat into a plot device: depending on what the story calls for, Spiderman sometimes senses danger (including individual blows), sometimes not. Then again, Spidey's physical prowess has varied quite a bit too, depending on where that particular story is going and who his nemesis is.

So were going to assume that every time that Spiderman has trouble with street levelers its PIS, despite the fact hes had trouble with street levelers for 100s of years?

Originally posted by Mindship

Lastly, Spiderman is not exactly a slouch when it comes to tactical fighting.

He is when it comes down to H2H fights.

Originally posted by Mindship

He'll have had experience as well fighting Cap and realize what he has to do and avoid.

Yes and it helped a great deal when he fought Cap in the civil war, but lets just ignore that. 👆

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Also lost, imo, is the fact that Cap's ability to take punishment stems in part from his shield, which he doesn't have for this fight. He wields it masterfully, but it's pretty much the reason he can hold his own against opponents that are >>> he is. Pete's webs aren't nearly the loss that Cap's shield is in this fight.

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Cap didnt use his shield to protect himself once in the civil war fight.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

I look at it like this. I have no training in any sort of fighting. But if you pitted me against a skilled martial artist, and told me that I'd be given 15x his strength, maybe 1.5x durability, and 1.5x speed (cautious estimates imo), I'd happily take it and consider myself the favorite in the fight. He'd hit me lots, and it would hurt. Beating me wouldn't be impossible, and he might experience his way to a few wins out of 10. But I'd still like my chances the vast majority of the time.

You can look at it anyway you want but the actual evidence in comics indicates that Caps skill is good enough to give him the majority.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Spider-Man has dodged bullets. Cap was killed by a bullet. End of discussion. Spidey is the fastar!!!

He was wearing strength dampeners that inhibited his speed.

I don't go by what happened in the comics if they contradict common sense. Spiderman wins 10/10. Cap is a statue to him. Plus no punch or kick can land if someone has precog and the speed to dodge and weave through machine gun fire easily.

If someone says Cap wins then please answer these questions to convince me

1. How can someone get hit by a punch or kick if they both know it's coming and how to get out of the way (hence spider-sense)?

2. How can a punch or kick hit someone who is fast enough (speed and reflex wise) to weave through machine gun fire?

Originally posted by h1a8

1. How can someone get hit by a punch or kick if they both know it's coming and how to get out of the way (hence spider-sense)?

His Spidersense is not perfect it may warn him that a right hook is coming but it doesnt warn him that the right hook is a trap that sets him up for another move, he gets warned a split second before he doesnt get a detailed warning of whats going to happen several seconds later.

Originally posted by h1a8

2. How can a punch or kick hit someone who is fast enough (speed and reflex wise) to weave through machine gun fire?

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1327/captainamerica35119uw4.jpg

Thats just 1 example you obvoulsy dont know anything about Captain America do you?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The gap isnt big enough to make a difference. Cap is capable of dodging a large number of Spidermans punches so for starters that doesnt even matter if hes stronger.

He is when it comes down to H2H fights.

Yes and it helped a great deal when he fought Cap in the civil war, but lets just ignore that. 👆

Originally posted by Mindship
It isn't just that Spiderman is faster, more agile and stronger, he also has his spider-sense. Unfortunately, writers have made this sense somewhat into a plot device: depending on what the story calls for, Spiderman sometimes senses danger (including individual blows), sometimes not. Then again, Spidey's physical prowess has varied quite a bit too, depending on where that particular story is going and who his nemesis is.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So were going to assume that every time that Spiderman has trouble with street levelers its PIS, despite the fact hes had trouble with street levelers for 100s of years?

Originally posted by Mindship
A bit of an exaggeration, but yup.

Well if its a bit of an exaggeration its not really that good a point is it?

Originally posted by Mindship

It's just an unfortunate fact of comic storytelling that happens to many characters (usually to make the lesser character look better). Regardless: Cap = peak human, Spider-Man = superhuman, and super > peak (or should) more than peak > super.

Prove that its PIS. If you say something is PIS without explaining why its just blantant bias.

I also dont know what you're saying about the peak, Cap is enhanced human not a glorified athelete.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well if its a bit of an exaggeration its not really that good a point is it?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So were going to assume that every time that Spiderman has trouble with street levelers its PIS, despite the fact hes had trouble with street levelers for 100s of years?

Prove that its PIS. If you say something is PIS without explaining why its just blantant bias.

I also dont know what you're saying about the peak, Cap is enhanced human not a glorified athelete.

We've all read a ton or two of Spiderman's books.

Spiderman always goes into a fight stressing about paying the rent, trouble with his girl, aunt being blackmailed, JJJ, responsibilities with his students, ressurrected Goblin and a lot of other stuff. In addittion his powers and costumes are in constant flux.

street levellers with territorial advantage will always be able to get a few kicks in on a daydreaming Spiderman

Originally posted by Mindship
I was referring to this...

You get the point.

Originally posted by Mindship

That's the nice thing about respect threads: one can refer to them for what a character is capable of. But c'mon: we all know that PIS is a common element in comic storytelling. Lord knows I have to deal with it everytime someone brings up how Thor beats Surfer ( 😠 ). All "canon" means is that what happened is "official," not necessarily that it's right.

Ok you do realise that you still have not given me an explanation? Can you see whats wrong with debating like this? Debating does not just involve makig statements it involves an explanation as well. If your just going to keep saying its PIS you might as well debate by literially saying "Nu-uh" or "You're wrong" with no explanation at all.

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Originally posted by shiv
We've all read a ton or two of Spiderman's books.

Spiderman always goes into a fight stressing about paying the rent, trouble with his girl, aunt being blackmailed, JJJ, responsibilities with his students, ressurrected Goblin and a lot of other stuff. In addittion his powers and costumes are in constant flux.

street levellers with territorial advantage will always be able to get a few kicks in on a daydreaming Spiderman

Stop making excuses all heroes have problems.