Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Carver9 thought Cap had a similar showing. I disagreed. *shrugs*

So, nobody is arguing that Cap has greater strength than Spider-Man? What about agility? Is speed the only attribute really being debated here?

I don't believe anybody's saying Spidey isn't faster then cap. In fact that's pretty much the only thing we all agree with on this area. However, it is the difference in speed the two sides are debating. Most spidey supporters are saying he will see cap as a statue, cap supporters are saying spidey is only slightly faster then cap

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, Jin, to be fair...Spider-Man [B]is superhuman, correct? 😬 [/B]

And that makes him Quicksilver? 😕

And thusly the double standard reveals itself.
And exactly HOW human do you think Cap IS? 🤨

From everything the man does, I'd conclude he's about as human as my automobile.
And when you want to or try to argue that titles take precendence over feats or legitimate them.... well.... How's this for semantics?
CA has been subjected to chemical treatments that have made him the peak of human potential. We don't know what that is or what the limits of that would be since human potential is always held back by outlining factors like fatigue, injury, stress, nurishment, the need for rest etc etc.... This even applies to comic book humans like DD, and Batman (heavy chi weilders aside).... All we know about the peak of human potential is what Cap has to offer. He's repeatidly stated to be enhanced.. Enhanced is something that's beyond the norm, "by definition" Cap IS superhuman. 😬

The fact is that it's just absurd to whine about Cap doing what he's doing when the same suspension of disbelief needs to be applied to Spiderman for his feats... But everytime anyone close to "peak human" is brought up, people suddenly think that makes it real and not a comic anymore.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Carver9 thought Cap had a similar showing. I disagreed. *shrugs*

So, nobody is arguing that Cap has greater strength than Spider-Man? What about agility? Is speed the only attribute really being debated here?

Why would anyone be ignorant enough to argue strength and agility?

Cap's average strength is portrayed around the one-ton class. His absolute BEST feats may touch two or three. Spidey tosses around Cap's best like it was a beachball.

And as to agility....Cap's agile, but Spidey's inhuman.

In response to your question....yeah. Speed is the only thing being debated, mostly because with Cap's skill, his strength is really next to irrelevant. It wouldn't take many good hits for either character to take the other down - as Spidey has been shown to be vulnerable to nerve strikes and pressure points, a favorable technique to the good Captain.

The question is, simply; which happens first? Cap gets into a position where he can no longer roll with a punch and gets his head taken off, or Spidey is paralyzed by a nerve strike and summarily beaten into submission?

Their feats show the two on a comparable level in speed(even if we all agree it's Parker that's faster), but Cap's skill is quite clearly light years ahead of Parker's.

Which is why the Spidey supporters only real recourse is to cry "I don't like it! It didn't happen!" with respect to Cap's speed feats, and claim instead that Parker is fast enough to make Cap a statute in comparison.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I dont know if cap has a feat like that, but I know of a street level guy who is always compared to cap who does.

😈

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I don't believe anybody's saying Spidey isn't faster then cap. In fact that's pretty much the only thing we all agree with on this area. However, it is the difference in speed the two sides are debating. Most spidey supporters are saying he will see cap as a statue, cap supporters are saying spidey is only slightly faster then cap

I've read the characters and reviewed the respect threads and, to be honest, I think both sides are wrong. Spider-Man won't be seeing Cap as a statue, though IMO, the difference in speed is greater than marginal.

Edit: Whether the difference in Spider-Man's practical speed is due more to the Spider-Sense than a superhuman trait might be debatable.

Originally posted by jinzin
And that makes him Quicksilver? 😕

And thusly the double standard reveals itself.
And exactly HOW human do you think Cap IS? 🤨

From everything the man does, I'd conclude he's about as human as my automobile.
And when you want to or try to argue that titles take precendence over feats or legitimate them.... well.... How's this for semantics?
CA has been subjected to chemical treatments that have made him the peak of human potential. We don't know what that is or what the limits of that would be since human potential is always held back by outlining factors like fatigue, injury, stress, nurishment, the need for rest etc etc.... This even applies to comic book humans like DD, and Batman (heavy chi weilders aside).... All we know about the peak of human potential is what Cap has to offer. He's repeatidly stated to be enhanced.. Enhanced is something that's beyond the norm, "by definition" Cap IS superhuman. 😬

The fact is that it's just absurd to whine about Cap doing what he's doing when the same suspension of disbelief needs to be applied to Spiderman for his feats... But everytime anyone close to "peak human" is brought up, people suddenly think that makes it real and not a comic anymore.

While you are right, I do feel that my original statement was not as clear as I originally believed it to be. What I meant to say was, essentially, is that Spider-Man is more superhuman than Captain America, so it would make sense for Spidey to have higher physical showings.

And no, that does not make him Quicksilver. I realize Spidey's limits, just like I realize Cap's. But I do apologize for the poor clarity of that first post.

I should also state that I do believe Cap to be superhuman in some way, shape, or form. Some of things that he does simply wouldn't fit in peak human. I understand this. I accept this. Cap is low-level superhuman. Enhanced, like you stated.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
What I meant to say was, essentially, is that Spider-Man is more superhuman than Captain America, so it would make sense for Spidey to have higher physical showings.

Absolutely. It'd make perfect sense for Spidey's speed feats to greatly outshine and over-shadow Cap's.

Fact of the matter is, though....

They don't. And no amount of wishing, hoping, praying or pretending (as so many of the Spidey supporters have done) is going to change that - lest one of you happen to hit it big with Marvel, 😛.

Originally posted by carver9
h1a8 is the worst debator that I have seen on the face of this planet. The guy is terrible but he does make debating interesting because he never gives up, even when he's on the losing end.

But at least I'm funny right? I admit sometimes I make myself laugh when I read my earlier posts. But I'm not a follower. If I think I'm right then I'm going to go for it (if I believe it is in good interest to do so).

Originally posted by Soljer
Absolutely. It'd make perfect sense for Spidey's speed feats to greatly outshine and over-shadow Cap's.

Fact of the matter is, though....

They don't. And no amount of wishing, hoping, praying or [b]pretending (as so many of the Spidey supporters have done) is going to change that - lest one of you happen to hit it big with Marvel, 😛. [/B]

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Chances are, this will eventually happen. After all, a major player in the eternal Star Wars v Star Trek debates wound up as an author of one of the Incredible Cross-Sections books. 🙂

then that dude deserve to win the debate. thats what you call motivation

Originally posted by Battlehammer
then that dude deserve to win the debate. thats what you call motivation

Edit: Apologies for my brief tangent.

Originally posted by Soljer
Why would anyone be ignorant enough to argue strength and agility?

Cap's average strength is portrayed around the one-ton class. His absolute BEST feats may touch two or three. Spidey tosses around Cap's best like it was a beachball.

And as to agility....Cap's agile, but Spidey's inhuman.

In response to your question....yeah. Speed is the only thing being debated, mostly because with Cap's skill, his strength is really next to irrelevant. It wouldn't take many good hits for either character to take the other down - as Spidey has been shown to be vulnerable to nerve strikes and pressure points, a favorable technique to the good Captain.

The question is, simply; which happens first? Cap gets into a position where he can no longer roll with a punch and gets his head taken off, or Spidey is paralyzed by a nerve strike and summarily beaten into submission?

Their feats show the two on a comparable level in speed(even if we all agree it's Parker that's faster), but Cap's skill is quite clearly light years ahead of Parker's.

Which is why the Spidey supporters only real recourse is to cry "I don't like it! It didn't happen!" with respect to Cap's speed feats, and claim instead that Parker is fast enough to make Cap a statute in comparison.

But what you fail to understand that, SS put aside, SM can't get hit by CA if he's sees him as a statue (even if we assume Spidey is just a little faster).

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Thanks for the clarification. *nods*

I've read the characters and reviewed the respect threads and, to be honest, I think both sides are wrong. Spider-Man won't be seeing Cap as a statue, though IMO, the difference in speed is greater than marginal.

Edit: Whether the difference in Spider-Man's practical speed is due more to the Spider-Sense than a superhuman trait might be debatable.

When I say that Spidey will see CA as a statue I'm not basing that on their fights. I'm basing it on the fact that Spidey can and has saw bullets in almost still motion. And since it is sensible to assume that CA is slower than a bullet then he would see CA slower than the bullet (as a statue).

Originally posted by h1a8
But what you fail to understand that, SS put aside, SM can't get hit by CA if he's sees him as a statue (even if we assume Spidey is just a little faster).

What you're failing to understand is that Spidey would never see Cap as a statue. It's entirely ignorant to assume that he would.

Spidey's marginal speed advantage is just that - marginal.

And in a melee confrontation between the two? Negligible.

Originally posted by h1a8
When I say that Spidey will see CA as a statue I'm not basing that on their fights. I'm basing it on the fact that Spidey can and has saw bullets in almost still motion. And since it is sensible to assume that CA is slower than a bullet then he would see CA slower than the bullet (as a statue).

Cap sees bullets in slow motion....and?

Originally posted by Soljer
What you're failing to understand is that Spidey would never see Cap as a statue. It's entirely ignorant to assume that he would.

Spidey's marginal speed advantage is just that - marginal.

And in a melee confrontation between the two? Negligible.

What does speed have to do with seeing someone as a statue?
This deals with reflexes alone.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cap sees bullets in slow motion....and?

That doesn't negate that Spidey won't see CA as a statue.

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't negate that Spidey won't see CA as a statue.

That also means that Cap will see Spiderman as a statue. *slaps forehead*

Originally posted by Metalmanx
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Just some. Don't know if they're the top, but they're quite impressive.

They certainly are nice feats, oh yeah how does CA compete agaisnt this guy lol at logic to some of these fanboys.