Metalmanx
Illuminati Founder
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
My good God. Clones are usually not as good as there counterparts but this one is the exception to the rule. Did you understand that the fact that the clone was stalemating Spiderman is evidence that they were similar in abilty do you know that the robot was using the exact same techinques that Spiderman was using ie turning his webbing into wings? Basically the point has gone completely and utterly over your head otherwise you would not have posted that response.I dont have to the fact that the Skrull was many times stronger than Spiderman compensates for the speed difference and furthermore if is a replica of Collsus it probably has enhanced speed to an extent. Dont you dare try to accuse my of trying to do anything you've brought absolutely nothing to thsi debate.
Yes its still irrevelant because Cap and street levelers have shown many times that they can hurt and KO Spiderman, but just because you got an example of Spiderman rolling with Hulks punch dont mean a goddman thing.
.....and I already told you that a robot clone of Spiderman was not holding back and could not take Cap in H2H. Spidermans punches are faster? Caps punches are more effective.
Of course he can hurt him but Cap is capable of taking full force class 10 punches
To tell the truth I dont think hes faster and what?
Sigh. doh
Alright. I know what instance you're talking about--the robot Spidey clone that fought Spidey. I've seen it. I saw where it was fighting just like him. And I also saw how it was defeated. All Spidey had to do was do something unexpected, different from his usual norm. The robot could not react in time, giving Spidey the chance to defeat it. Now you're going to continue to tell me that this clone was just as good. If it was, it would still be fighting Spider-Man to this day. But because it had a major flaw--lack of instinct/inginuity--it was defeated.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8666/feat26fight2uk5.jpg
The original defeated the robot clone just like they usually do. By outsmarting it. Thus, taking away the credibility of a robot clone's statement. And oh yea--the robot clone didn't have a spider-sense. It would fare far worse against Cap because of that.
Not bringing anything to this debate? All I've done is what you're doing. Providing evidence and countering yours. Why is mine irrelevant? Because you say so?
This is getting ridiculous. Spidey has rolled with Hulk's punches more than once. That, coupled with the fact that Hulk is much faster than he appears, is a plus in Spidey's book. Spidey's taken Rhino's punches dozens and dozens of times over the years, and he's been fine. Say what you will about Rhino, he's still class 75-80.
Cap's punches are more effective POUND-FOR-POUND. Hulk's/Juggernaut's/other class 100s (without martial arts training) are more effective because of their sheer power. Or do you argue that Cap's punches are more effective than the Hulk's? Spidey might as well be the Hulk to Cap in this situation. Cap's 1-2 ton power vs. class 20 power? It makes all the difference in the world. Add that to Spidey's superior speed/reflexes? Well damn.
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanjuggy7ec.jpg
-Even with Juggy pounding on him, Spidey still manages to hold on.
Can Cap hurt Spider-Man? Sure. Can he do it as easily as you seem to believe? Hell no.
Do you NOT know about the Scorpion? He's stronger, faster, and more durable than Spider-Man (thus, superior to Cap in all of these aspects). And yet, even when he punches Spidey hard enough to put him down with his superior strength, Scorpion still ends up nearly busting all of his fingers because of Spidey's superhuman durability.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4223/feat3durabilityjy6.jpg
So, if you haven't figured it out yet, wouldn't it stand to say that, unless Cap is able to utilize pressure points (very doubtful), that Cap's much weaker punches prove ineffective to Spidey? Possibly even hurting himself more than Spidey?
Goddamn. Why do I always get the debators that either can't write to save their lives, constantly claim I don't know the character, claim that I bring nothing to do the debate (when all I'm doing is the same thing they're doing), or sometimes all three? Come on, kids. They're called "punctuation" and "spelling".
