Originally posted by The Great Galennah, spidey is one of a select few of comic book characters that know when they are outclassed.
Hmmm, well regardless of the on-panel BS a well written spidey is taking the solid majority.
reed is the brains, thor is the power, and cap is the fighter/tactician.
pete knows better than to mess with the big dogs in those areas.
Those are three people... >.> Two of which I know for certain he is faster and smarter then.
And aside from fail-comic book logic, I honestly just don't see how Spiderman can actually lose to someone on Captain America (Or any non-magical street leveler..) if he's not holding back unless they are just leaps and bounds smarter or have some durability advantage.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Right. And Hulk didn't job to Spiderman's cement truck.Or Juggernaut. Or all the pis, cis, aura that occurred against Firelord.
LOL you just set yourself up for a double-standard.
Not really, I never said people never did job to Spiderman...but there are more examples of people jobbing to Cap than so Spiderman.
Although I see no one is using these feats to prove Spiderman will win, so...
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, what's funny is that that Scorpion instance was only one example of enemies hurting themselves when punching Spider-Man. That was only the first example I found for you.I also realize that all you've done is criticize my argument without providing any of your own.
Again Spiderman clone. The whole point is you cant use the Spiderman was holding back argument. You are a hypocrite you still have not addressed the points concerning the clone. You realise nothing.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
What's sad is that you couldn't see that I was joking. No, I don't think that Spidey could do this to Cap. Merely for giggles, my friend.In short, it's been fun, but you're really not the challenge I was looking for. Thanks though.
Who cares wether you are joking. I dont get your humour so I cant debate. 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman beat the robot by way of almost happenstance not h2h; like Meta said, outsmarting it in a sense.
His point seems to be that because Spiderman outsmarted it ONCE its not a decent representation of Spiderman, while ignoring everything else.
We also need to to take into account the robot suprised Spiderman twice and would have still been able to come up with something if it was not switched off.
Originally posted by Mindset
Not really, I never said people never did job to Spiderman...but there are more examples of people jobbing to Cap than so Spiderman.Although I see no one is using these feats to prove Spiderman will win, so...
And you would be wrong since some of those fights were mentioned in thread.
Point is Aura is a cop out. And holds not true counter for this debate.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Point is Aura is a cop out. And holds not true counter for this debate.
How so? I suppose then that Spidey fans brnging up Spiderman beating Firelord counts as a valid argument then? Even though it shouldn't be used to outright end a debate, a character's jobber aura always comes into play to an extent.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
How so? I suppose then that Spidey fans brnging up Spiderman beating Firelord counts as a valid argument then? Even though it shouldn't be used to outright end a debate, a character's jobber aura always comes into play to an extent.
Good so both have auras. This is a fictional universe, the bottom line is portrayal. And Cap is indeed portrayed to have the one up on Spiderman in there encounters.
Cries of popularity or aura is not a counter in any shape or form.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
And you would be wrong since some of those fights were mentioned in thread.Point is Aura is a cop out. And holds not true counter for this debate.
So people have used the Juggs vs. Spiderman fight to say Peter can take multiple punches from Juggernaut, or he's strong enough to knock Hulk on his ass. No, they haven't. 😐 But people have used Cap being able to take punches from Namor as proof of his durability.
So the point is, Spiderman doing outlandish feats is PIS, Cap doing it is skill.
Originally posted by MindsetHence, the typical double standard used to debate streetlevellers against other superheroes. I suppose it isn't really a new thing. Writers often fall prey to it, including Ennis, Bendis, and McDuffie.
So people have used the Juggs vs. Spiderman fight to say Peter can take multiple punches from Juggernaut, or he's strong enough to knock Hulk on his ass. No, they haven't. 😐 But people have used Cap being able to take punches from Namor as proof of his durability.So the point is, Spiderman doing outlandish feats is PIS, Cap doing it is skill.
Originally posted by Mindset
So people have used the Juggs vs. Spiderman fight to say Peter can take multiple punches from Juggernaut, or he's strong enough to knock Hulk on his ass. No, they haven't. 😐 But people have used Cap being able to take punches from Namor as proof of his durability.So the point is, Spiderman doing outlandish feats is PIS, Cap doing it is skill.
A. Wears armor that Ironman himself complimented
B. Is better at "rolling with a blow" than just about anyone
C. Has been doing that kind of thing consistently since his reintroduction in the Avengers
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ironman isn't even a peak human and he's survived countless shots from cl 100's because he was in armor, are all of THOSE instances PIS? If not, why is Cap taking a couple of shots from Namor automatically PIS when Cap...A. Wears armor that Ironman himself complimented
B. Is better at "rolling with a blow" than just about anyone
C. Has been doing that kind of thing consistently since his reintroduction in the Avengers
You're comparing Ironman's armor to Caps...
Like I said Spiderman's similar feats are PIS, Cap's are skill.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ironman isn't even a peak human and he's survived countless shots from cl 100's because he was in armor, are all of THOSE instances PIS? If not, why is Cap taking a couple of shots from Namor automatically PIS when Cap...A. Wears armor that Ironman himself complimented
B. Is better at "rolling with a blow" than just about anyone
C. Has been doing that kind of thing consistently since his reintroduction in the Avengers
Stop speculating on nonexistent characters on events they never happened.
It is all based on the writers intention. The writer in no way had CA taking Namor's blows because of his armor or rolling with blows. This stuff wasn't even in the writer's mind. He merely wanted to show how tough CA can be.