Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Mindset
So people have used the Juggs vs. Spiderman fight to say Peter can take multiple punches from Juggernaut, or he's strong enough to knock Hulk on his ass. No, they haven't. 😐 But people have used Cap being able to take punches from Namor as proof of his durability.

So the point is, Spiderman doing outlandish feats is PIS, Cap doing it is skill.

cap has armor that stopped a Fenris bite and can roll with Namor's punches.

Spidey was flat on top of Juggy's head and taking shots to the head/back.

Juggs is also>>>> Namor in sheer strength.. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
cap has armor that stopped a Fenris bite and can roll with Namor's punches.

Spidey was flat on top of Juggy's head and taking shots to the head/back.

Juggs is also>>>> Namor in sheer strength.. 😬

Yea, Spiderman has also taken hits from Namor and Hulk, why are those being ignored?

All I'm seeing is high end Cap feats, where apparently he has comparable armor to IM and lol at rolling with Class 100 punches.

How can you guys not see the comparison to Batman and how people job to him?

Btw, Juggs is not that far beyond Namor in strength, he is obviously stronger, but now by the amount you are saying, and the way in which he was hitting Spiderman would not allow him to use his full strength.

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Originally posted by Mindset
You're comparing Ironman's armor to Caps...

Like I said Spiderman's similar feats are PIS, Cap's are skill.

And I don't think I've seen a single person say that it's PIS for Spidey to roll with a punch...

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, Spiderman has also taken hits from Namor and Hulk, why are those being ignored?

All I'm seeing is high end Cap feats, where apparently he has comparable armor to IM and lol at rolling with Class 100 punches.

How can you guys not see the comparison to Batman and how people job to him?

Btw, Juggs is not that far beyond Namor in strength, he is obviously stronger, but now by the amount you are saying, and the way in which he was hitting Spiderman would not allow him to use his full strength.

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I don't think I was ignoring those. 😕

True that juggs couldn't use full strength, but full strength really shouldn't be needed.

And yes, juggs is that far beyond Namor in strength lest we're talking about Namor swimmng round in the ocean.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop speculating on nonexistent characters on events they never happened.
It is all based on the writers intention. The writer in no way had CA taking Namor's blows because of his armor or rolling with blows. This stuff wasn't even in the writer's mind. He merely wanted to show how tough CA can be.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're the only person speculating here Mr. "I don't care if I've seen Spiderman fight at the level I'm describing, it makes sense to me and that's good enough". I'm basing my arguments on things that've actually been demonstrated on panel rather than stuff that just happens in my head...

I'm just supporting the point someone made about the double standard.
Obviously writers are not taking science into consideration when they write certain things. CA taken hits without explanation means that writers want to show how tough he is.

You're right though about the spiderman proportional thing though.
So I'm changing my argument. If it is assumed that Spider-man has the proportional abilities of a spider then this should still be much greater than anything that lies on the limit of human potential. So if we level Spiderman down then have to level CA down too.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not directly comparing their damage soaks because Ironman's is obviously superior. But Ironman IS a prime example of just how much a characters equipment can change things for them. You say that Cap's "peak human" durability combined with his armor shouldn't be enough to withstand a shot from Namor, but what are you basing your opinion on? Cap's armor is made of layers of an undisclosed synthetic chainmail that's located in the exact same universe and planet that houses stuff like adamantium, vibranium, and the special allow that makes up his shield, so why do you automatically assume that it's consistently demonstrated tolerances are PIS? Isn't that very similar to someone saying that something like adamantium or antarctic vibranium doesn't "make sense" in the real world so we're just going to ignore every portrayal of the FICTIONAL metal and consider them to be no different than tempered steel?

And I don't think I've seen a single person say that it's PIS for Spidey to roll with a punch...

Yea, this special alloy doesn't stop him from being hurt by Taskmaster, yet when Class 100's come he gets Juggernaut durability, sounds a lot like Batman to me.

If he can take Namor's punches then basically you think Spiderman can't hurt him with his punches...

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, this special alloy doesn't stop him from being hurt by Taskmaster, yet when Class 100's come he gets Juggernaut durability, sounds a lot like Batman to me.

If he can take Namor's punches then basically you think Spiderman can't hurt him with his punches...

How does he have Jugg's level of durability when he can only take a couple of punches from someone like Namor? Something like that would seem to indicate that he's not even in Namor's league in durability(since I'm betting Namor can take more than two or three punches from someone as strong as he).

And by the same token, if you want to bring up street level guys who've hurt Cap, then we should also talk about the numerous street level martial artist's that have managed to hurt Spidey despite them lacking even Cap's level of strength. See that's what I've been trying to make clear, as long as an equal standard is applied to both characters, Cap DOES stack up against Spidey. It doesn't matter if we go by high showings or low showings because both have similar feats on almost every level.

Originally posted by darthgoober
How does he have Jugg's level of durability when he can only take a couple of punches from someone like Namor? Something like that would seem to indicate that he's not even in Namor's league in durability(since I'm betting Namor can take more than two or three punches from someone as strong as he).

And by the same token, if you want to bring up street level guys who've hurt Cap, then we should also talk about the numerous street level martial artist's that have managed to hurt Spidey despite them lacking even Cap's level of strength. See that's what I've been trying to make clear, as long as an equal standard is applied to both characters, Cap DOES stack up against Spidey. It doesn't matter if we go by high showings or low showings because both have similar feats on almost every level.

I meant juggernaut as in the word not the character, I accidentally capitalized it.

And who are these people weaker than Cap that have actually hurt Spiderman?

I think that a crazy villain nurse sedated him in a crossover with Daredevil.

Originally posted by Mindset
I meant juggernaut as in the word not the character, I accidentally capitalized it.

And who are these people weaker than Cap that have actually hurt Spiderman?

...an aged Red Skull, the Taskmaster, Batroc, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Daredevil are all people who are physically weaker than Cap but have all hurt Spidey h2h.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Just off the top of my head...

...an aged Red Skull, the Taskmaster, Batroc, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Daredevil are all people who are physically weaker than Cap but have all hurt Spidey h2h.

You think it's because ( said on panel ) , Spiderman holds back his punches against weaker adversaries... 😕

Originally posted by Faceman
You think it's because ( said on panel ) , Spiderman holds back his punches against weaker adversaries... 😕

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I can't think of ANYONE who's ever been stated as "holding back" their durability.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Those weren't listed as low showings for Spidey's punching power. They were just examples of guys with sub Captain America level strength who've hurt Spidey with punches and advanced combat maneuvers. And I can't think of ANYONE who's ever been stated as "holding back" their durability.

Most of those guys mentioned in your statement are class A fighters, so I don't see your point.

Originally posted by Faceman
Most of those guys mentioned in your statement are class A fighters, so I don't see your point.

Originally posted by Mindset
I meant juggernaut as in the word not the character, I accidentally capitalized it.

And who are these people weaker than Cap that have actually hurt Spiderman?

Originally posted by Faceman
Most of those guys mentioned in your statement are class A fighters, so I don't see your point.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
ummm thats the whole point, cap is a class S fighter.

I'm not saying he couldn't hurt or even take a few from Spiderman, but not for a majority.

Originally posted by Mindset
So people have used the Juggs vs. Spiderman fight to say Peter can take multiple punches from Juggernaut, or he's strong enough to knock Hulk on his ass. No, they haven't. 😐 But people have used Cap being able to take punches from Namor as proof of his durability.

So the point is, Spiderman doing outlandish feats is PIS, Cap doing it is skill.

Yes go back and read as they did cite Spiderman vs Firelord. Point is Cap has had the advantage on Spiderman.

Know Cap has outlandish feats as PIS too like Onslaught, Hulk, etc etc but those are not the priority for the main concern as to why he wins. More to do with Cap vs Spiderman actual battles from the books.

By your logic I could say so Cap feats PIS, Spiderman doing is is radioactive Spider-powers.

But that is not correct either.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes go back and read as they did cite Spiderman vs Firelord. Point is Cap has had the advantage on Spiderman.

Know Cap has outlandish feats as PIS too like Onslaught, Hulk, etc etc but those are not the priority for the main concern as to why he wins. More to do with Cap vs Spiderman actual battles from the books.

By your logic I could say so Cap feats PIS, Spiderman doing is is radioactive Spider-powers.

But that is not correct either.

An advantage does not show who will win, it shows he can win, not that he would win.

Actually yea, I've seen him being able to knock back Hulk as proof of his strength.

And no, that example is not by my logic, we know that Spiderman is physically superior to Cap, so the same statement can not be applied.