Heres DD beating a bloodlusted Spiderman. DD does say that the anger made him sloppy but Spiderman is also enhanced.
Fourth fight with Spider-Man; first fight with symbiotic Spidey:
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. 40 years have not actually past.
You're right, 40 years have not actually passed in the comics. It's actually been 15 years. Clearly I was talking about the amount of experience that the writers have given him. Needless to say, 15 years is a pretty long time to train and perfect his abilities.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
2. He has not changed at all and has always had trouble with street levelers. If you can prove that his H2H has improved ALOT please prove it.
Spidey himself has stated several times throughout the years how his fighting ability has improved over the years due to his experience.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So lets assume that Spiderman would win instead of going on what we know.
Kinda like how you assume Cap would win because of his martial arts ability, instead of going on what we know?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right, 40 years have not actually passed in the comics. It's actually been 15 years. Clearly I was talking about the amount of experience that the writers have given him. Needless to say, 15 years is a pretty long time to train and perfect his abilities.Spidey himself has stated several times throughout the years how his fighting ability has improved over the years due to his experience.
...and Caps H2H skills would have improved as well considering that he trains more and has better training. Cap would still be better than him. Throughout his career street levelers have always given him trouble. Oh yeah Spiderman has been retconned anyway, so its going to be less than 15 years. 😂
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Kinda like how you assume Cap would win because of his martial arts ability, instead of going on what we know?
LOL he stated that he couldnt take him in H2H thats what we know. If you're going to argue maybe this and that then anythings possible. Ive got a non-holding back robot saying he cant take Cap and Spiderman himself, all you have is maybe.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Heres DD beating a bloodlusted Spiderman. DD does say that the anger made him sloppy but Spiderman is also enhanced.Fourth fight with Spider-Man; first fight with symbiotic Spidey:
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14ov.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23rm.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36sa.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49ir.jpg
Yes, yes. Seen the fight before. And you've already stated as to why its credibility is faulty at best.
"DD does say that the anger made him sloppy". And it does. He's completely blinded with rage, and his fighting ability greatly suffers because of it.
And we've also seen DD unable to keep up with or defend against a Spider-Man that is not enraged and WANTS to hit him. DD even said that he could hardly keep up with Spidey with his radar sense and said that, even though he knew Spidey was coming for him, he could not dodge his blow in time. Obviously Spidey was moving pretty damn fast to tag the guy that dodges/bats away bullets.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yes, yes. Seen the fight before. And you've already stated as to why its credibility is faulty at best."DD does say that the anger made him sloppy". And it does. He's completely blinded with rage, and his fighting ability greatly suffers because of it.
And we've also seen DD unable to keep up with or defend against a Spider-Man that is not enraged and WANTS to hit him. DD even said that he could hardly keep up with Spidey with his radar sense and said that, even though he knew Spidey was coming for him, he could not dodge his blow in time. Obviously Spidey was moving pretty damn fast to tag the guy that dodges/bats away bullets.
Ok fair enough, but your still failing on your other points. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
...and Caps H2H skills would have improved as well considering that he trains more and has better training. Cap would still be better than him. Throughout his career street levelers have always given him trouble. Oh yeah Spiderman has been retconned anyway, so its going to be less than 15 years. 😂
I never once said that Cap's skill would not be improving as well. You're are both not listening and putting words in my mouth. Not once did I say that Spidey's experience would put him above Cap in martial arts ability.
Oh yea, Spider-Man HAS been retconned. Too bad it didn't put him back in time, only changed certain events. Still been 15 years of experience. And you say that you read Spider-Man. 😂
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL he stated that he couldnt take him in H2H thats what we know. If you're going to argue maybe this and that then anythings possible. Ive got a non-holding back robot saying he cant take Cap and Spiderman himself, all you have is maybe.
You are hopeless. All you have is this one time a robot clone from 1964 said that he couldn't take Cap hand-to-hand and Spidey saying that he will never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability. You know, Hulk/Sentry/Superman/etc. will also never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability, but I'm pretty sure Hulk/Sentry/Superman/etc. would still win. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So lets assume that Spiderman would win instead of going on what we know.
What you know is that Cap had the advantage in the beginning of a fight that never reach the climax. And that a Spider-Man clone said that he couldn't take Cap in h2h combat. But it couldn't out smart the real Spidey neither. And the Spider-Man has trouble martial artist argument is weak. Because the same thing can be said about other foes that Cap, Batman, Daredevil, or Elektra has defeated. Foes that are on the same level or stronger than Spider-Man. But what sets Spider-Man apart form them, is that he is very intelligent and resourceful. And he has a spider sense. The problem is that writers have made his spider sense inconsistent at times. And yes Cap knows how Spider-Man fights. But Spider-Man also knows that Cap is a good fighter. And that is also an advantage for Spidey as well. Cap can't beat Spider-Man by standing still. And Spider-Man can make Cap come to him as well instead of trying to beat Cap at his game. That's when the spider sense and his faster reflexes, speed, and agility comes into play as the fight gos on.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never once said that Cap's skill would not be improving as well. You're are both not listening and putting words in my mouth. Not once did I say that Spidey's experience would put him above Cap in martial arts ability.Oh yea, Spider-Man HAS been retconned. Too bad it didn't put him back in time, only changed certain events. Still been 15 years of experience. And you say that you read Spider-Man. 😂
You are hopeless. All you have is this one time a robot clone from 1964 said that he couldn't take Cap hand-to-hand and Spidey saying that he will never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability. You know, Hulk/Sentry/Superman/etc. will also never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability, but I'm pretty sure Hulk/Sentry/Superman/etc. would still win. 😐
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never once said that Cap's skill would not be improving as well. You're are both not listening and putting words in my mouth. Not once did I say that Spidey's experience would put him above Cap in martial arts ability.
Ok you fail to understand. The robot was an accurate clone of Spiderman in 1964, right? Your point is that Spiderman has improved since then and therefore its not an acccurate representation of Spiderman, right? My point is that eventhough Spiderman has improved it wont make a difference because since Cap trains more, is better trained and actually has 100s of years of experience thanks to Korvac Spidermans experience wont mean a goddamn thing.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh yea, Spider-Man HAS been retconned. Too bad it didn't put him back in time, only changed certain events. Still been 15 years of experience. And you say that you read Spider-Man. 😂
Changes nothing, see above.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You are hopeless. All you have is this one time a robot clone from 1964 said that he couldn't take Cap hand-to-hand and Spidey saying that he will never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability.
1. The clone was an accurate representation of Spiderman. Spiderman said it was like fighting himself.
2. Spiderman has not improved enough since then to make a difference. Cap trains more, is better trained and has 100s of years possible more experience thanks to Korvac.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You know, Hulk/Sentry/Superman/etc. will also never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability, but I'm pretty sure Hulk/Sentry/Superman/etc. would still win. 😐
Yeah lets compare Herald level characters to street level superheroes. 👆
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah lets compare Herald level characters to street level superheroes. 👆
You didn't like that? Okay, fine.
You know, Shadowcat/Nightcrawler/M/Luke Cage/Surge/Dust/Sabretooth/Venom/(any of the) Fantastic Four/do you want me to keep going?/etc. will also never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability, but I'm pretty sure Shadowcat/Nightcrawler/M/Luke Cage/Surge/Dust/Sabretooth/Venom/(any of the) Fantastic Four/do you want me to keep going?/etc. would still win.
It really doesn't matter. There are plenty of characters with inferior martial arts ability who can take out Cap with their abilities alone.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You didn't like that? Okay, fine.You know, Shadowcat/Nightcrawler/M/Luke Cage/Surge/Dust/Sabretooth/Venom/(any of the) Fantastic Four/do you want me to keep going?/etc. will also never be as good as Cap in martial arts ability, but I'm pretty sure Shadowcat/Nightcrawler/M/Luke Cage/Surge/Dust/Sabretooth/Venom/(any of the) Fantastic Four/do you want me to keep going?/etc. would still win.
It really doesn't matter. There are plenty of characters with inferior martial arts ability who can take out Cap with their abilities alone.
1. Reply to the rest of my post.
2. Pile of rubbish. Spiderman is not one of those people who lack martial arts skill and can beat Cap, thats one of the bloody points you are not getting into your head. Thats is precisely one of the reasons why he loses the majority.....good god.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Reply to the rest of my post.
2. Pile of rubbish. Spiderman is not one of those people who lack martial arts skill and can beat Cap, thats one of the bloody points you are not getting into your head. Thats is precisely one of the reasons why he loses the majority.....good god.
What do you mean by thats not a point he getting into his head. His opinion, like mine is that Spiderman's powerset gives him the advantage over Cap's martial art skill..... good god
Originally posted by BUSTER1
What do you mean by thats not a point he getting into his head. His opinion, like mine is that Spiderman's powerset gives him the advantage over Cap's martial art skill..... good god
Er duh his powerset is not enough to give him the advantage, get it? Im just being rude to him because he started it. *shrug*
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er duh his powerset is not enough to give him the advantage, get it? Im just being rude to him because he started it. *shrug*
Of course. I started it. 🙄
If you recall, I came into this debate completely calm, rational, and civil towards you. You're the one that turned it this way.
And, unfortunately, Spidey's powerset is, in fact, enough to give him the advantage.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Of course. I started it. 🙄If you recall, I came into this debate completely calm, rational, and civil towards you. You're the one that turned it this way.
And, unfortunately, Spidey's powerset is, in fact, enough to give him the advantage.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Of course. I started it. 🙄If you recall, I came into this debate completely calm, rational, and civil towards you. You're the one that turned it this way.
Nope this is when I started to get pissed off.
Originally posted by MetalmanxHah...I love the way you take something I said to counter you and bring something else out of it.
This is what really annoyed me. I debated with you on the Cap vs Beast thread, basically your post was a pile of crap and you came out with some of the most stupid stuff I have ever heard. Since I knew you from before I kept it civil but then you come on here after your craptastic post and have the audacity to try and tell me how I am in the habit of twisting things around.
The fact that you are backing up the worst debator on this forum speaks for itself.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And, unfortunately, Spidey's powerset is, in fact, enough to give him the advantage.
You know ive had enough I cant be assed to debate with somebody who thinks everything they say makes sense and cant be bothered to reply to my posts because hes too busy giving himself a big pat on the back for doing absolute rubbish.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope this is when I started to get pissed off.This is what really annoyed me. I debated with you on the Cap vs Beast thread, basically your post was a pile of crap and you came out with some of the most stupid stuff I have ever heard. Since I knew you from before I kept it civil but then you come on here after your craptastic post and have the audacity to try and tell me how I am in the habit of twisting things around.
The fact that you are backing up the worst debator on this forum speaks for itself.
You know ive had enough I cant be assed to debate with somebody who thinks everything they say makes sense and cant be bothered to reply to my posts because hes too busy giving himself a big pat on the back for doing absolute rubbish.
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