Originally posted by BUSTER1
written correctly his Spidersense should tell him where the dangers coming from regardless of what stage he's at in his crimefighting career
No at the beginning all he got was a warning and not the direction. Are you dictating what should happen instead of looking at what actually happens in comics? What gives you the right to decide how his SS should work?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No at the beginning all he got was a warning and not the direction. Are you dictating what should happen instead of looking at what actually happens in comics? What gives you the right to decide how his SS should work?
I'm not deciding, his Spidersense has been shown to work that way in the comic. Have you not read any Spiderman comics?
Originally posted by BUSTER1
I'm not deciding, his Spidersense has been shown to work that way in the comic. Have you not read any Spiderman comics?
Work like what? Give directions? Yes. Ive also seen examples of him getting warnings but not been given directions. Of course ive read a goddamn Spiderman comics.....irritating.
The question im asking is what was it like in the very beginning because as far as I can remember all he got was a warning and he would have to guess were the attack was coming from.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Work like what? Give directions? Yes. Ive also seen examples of him getting warnings but not been given directions. Of course ive read a goddamn Spiderman comics.....irritating.The question im asking is what was it like in the very beginning because as far as I can remember all he got was a warning and he would have to guess were the attack was coming from.
He Spidersense guides him in order fro him to avoid danger like multiple gunfire. In 1 early story it was shown that his Spidersense wouldn't react to Aunt May, although since then it has been shown to react to ANY danger
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No at the beginning all he got was a warning and not the direction. Are you dictating what should happen instead of looking at what actually happens in comics? What gives you the right to decide how his SS should work?
The SS had always warned him, guided him, jerked him, etc.
Always from the very beginning. Otherwise he would have never been able to dodge bullets when not seeing them.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
He Spidersense guides him in order fro him to avoid danger like multiple gunfire. In 1 early story it was shown that his Spidersense wouldn't react to Aunt May, although since then it has been shown to react to ANY danger
So what? Ive seen early examples of him getting warned but not being given directions. Im talking early here, the very beginning.
Originally posted by h1a8
The SS had always warned him, guided him, jerked him, etc.
Always from the very beginning. Otherwise he would have never been able to dodge bullets when not seeing them.
Thats just an assumption actually. If you have lots of people firing at you keep jumping about so that its hard for everybody to hit you even if you cant see them.
Yea, this is from 1963
Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, this is from 1963
Well ok fair enough, anyway there are examples of his SS not warning him of the direction anyway.
Anyway he still loses the majority.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well ok fair enough, anyway there are examples of his SS not warning him of the direction anyway.Anyway he still loses the majority.
When the SS was not shown to warn him of direction that was down to writing inconsistencies. As I've said before, correctly written, the SS guides him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I know because I havent explained already. 🙄 Oh well lets try again Spiderman said he couldnt take him in H2H and so did the real Spiderman.
I really shouldn't try this again. It will only end in irritation and frustration, I believe. 😬
But what the hell.
My response? Spider-Man says a lot of things about not being good enough to defeat an opponent. And yet still ends up being victorious, despite his internal short-comings. He says that he will never be anywhere near Cap's level in hand-to-hand martial arts fighting, and that's true. Spidey is not at Cap's level of hand-to-hand martial arts ability. No one here is arguing that Spidey > Cap in pure martial arts ability.
Unfortunately, this is not a tournament based on scores. This is a competition to see who would defeat the other in solely hand-to-hand combat, but without holding anything back. Spidey's superior superhuman abilities, his vast experience with the use of such abilities, and his incredible resourcefulness give him the clear advantage here in this bout.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
but without holding anything back. Spidey's superior superhuman abilities, his vast experience with the use of such abilities, and his incredible resourcefulness give him the clear advantage here in this bout.
...and the fact that a robot clone of Spiderman said that he couldnt take Cap in H2H means that it must be true because the robot was not holding back. 😐
The fact that Spiderman managed to trick the robot once is not an accurate analysis of the fight. The fcat the robot tricked Spiderman twice prior to that should be considered also. The fact the fight would have kept going on and either one of them could have won it should be considered also.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
...and the fact that a robot clone of Spiderman said that he couldnt take Cap in H2H means that it must be true because the robot was not holding back. 😐The fact that Spiderman managed to trick the robot once is not an accurate analysis of the fight. The fcat the robot tricked Spiderman twice prior to that should be considered also. The fact the fight would have kept going on and either one of them could have won it should be considered also.
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Is that really all you have as reasoning for Cap winning? That a ROBOT Spider-Man said that he couldn't take Cap? The same robot that gave a 15-year-old Spidey trouble (and whom Spidey eventually defeated)? If that's so, then this debate is already done.
However, because I (usually) respect you enough to give you a proper debate, I will give you two MAJOR reasons as to why this use of robot-logic is extremely faulty.
1. The robot, while just like Spidey, lacked a SPIDER-SENSE. If I really need to go further into this and why it's important, then all hope is lost.
2. If we're talking about the same robot, then that was in 1964. Over forty years ago. You have any idea how much Spidey has evolved in ever single aspect since then?
And no, the Spidey-robot really had no chance of winning agaist the real Spidey. A big reason being that, as a robot, it would eventually need to replenish its power supply. Real Spidey, however, can run off of sheer force of will and determination that can keep him going, as we've seen before dozens and dozens of times in his past.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I know because I havent explained already. 🙄 Oh well lets try again Spiderman said he couldnt take him in H2H and so did a robot clone.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No. He said that he wouldn't be as good as Cap when it's comes to fighting (as in performing martial arts). If it came down to a real fight, Spidey will defeat him. You can't judge a fight with other battles that never finished. Just because Cap had a the advantage in the beginning of the fight. Doesn't mean that he will have that advantage through out the entire fight.
Quoted for the truth. 👆
Hey, did you read that "What If?: Wolverine & Spider-Man" comic that came out a few months ago? That Spidey was wicked badass, albeit a bit overpowered. That Spidey wouldn't piss his pants with fanboyism if he ever had to fight Cap.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Quoted for the truth. 👆Hey, did you read that "What If?: Wolverine & Spider-Man" comic that came out a few months ago? That Spidey was wicked badass, albeit a bit overpowered. That Spidey wouldn't piss his pants with fanboyism if he ever had to fight Cap.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
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1. The robot, while just like Spidey, lacked a SPIDER-SENSE. If I really need to go further into this and why it's important, then all hope is lost.
All we know is that Kang analysed Spiderman and the end result was a robot that made Spiderman say that it was like fighting himself.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
2. If we're talking about the same robot, then that was in 1964. Over forty years ago. You have any idea how much Spidey has evolved in ever single aspect since then?
1. 40 years have not actually past.
2. He has not changed at all and has always had trouble with street levelers. If you can prove that his H2H has improved ALOT please prove it.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And no, the Spidey-robot really had no chance of winning agaist the real Spidey. A big reason being that, as a robot, it would eventually need to replenish its power supply. Real Spidey, however, can run off of sheer force of will and determination that can keep him going, as we've seen before dozens and dozens of times in his past.
So basically you are just assuming that Spiderman would have won even if it didnt have an off-switch? Cant argue against that.
The idea that it would have run out of energy is just giving Spiderman the benefit of the doubt. The robot was stalemating Spiderman so lets assume Spiderman would have won. Brilliant.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No. He said that he wouldn't be as good as Cap when it's comes to fighting (as in performing martial arts). If it came down to a real fight, Spidey will defeat him. You can't judge a fight with other battles that never finished. Just because Cap had a the advantage in the beginning of the fight. Doesn't mean that he will have that advantage through out the entire fight.
So lets assume that Spiderman would win instead of going on what we know.
