Originally posted by jadervasonYou havent shown me one bit of proof that Henshaw could avoid the omega beams. If the fight up close Henshaw is losing almost immediately,whenever Ds decides to end this. This should be your last post because you havent proven how Henshaw can void this.
Darkseid's only hope discussed thus far is the omega beams.He cannot kill Henshaw or Doomsday with them from far away. He cannot use them when getting his face ruined, as demonstrated by Doomsday. This is how the fight would go... And unless you have something new to say, this will be my last post.
Henshaw and Darkseid encounter each other on the vegas strip. Darkseid talks some garbage about how he beat the man, Henshaw talks some garbage about how it's now one on one. Darkseid would either be a prideful fool and fistfight him, and lose, or use the omega beams at the "fast" setting, which wouldn't kill Henshaw. If he tried to use the slow ones, that CAN kill Henshaw, he would soon find his jaw clacked with a series of punches that KTFO'd Superman.
Now, it would be back and forth for a little while, but Henshaw would not give Darkseid the time to unleash the full power of the Omega Beams at close range, [B]like he would need to.
This is the dog; it is not hunting. Say something else. [/B]
Originally posted by fangirl101Huh? Darkseid isnt too fast for Superman. If he was he would beat him easily but that isnt the case. Supes is physically tougher than Darkseid and has the feats to prove it.
darksied is too fast to be taken out by superman. he's moved faster than superman could react before. i mean any other opponents who dont' have speed on thier lvl.
Originally posted by Avlon
AOA has nothing to do with burden of proof on Darkseids physiology.You're claiming that Darky's physiology is different in the near future changed by 1 decision. Show us. I can understand if he was said to be physically weaker, but nothing was stated, and the method of death is interesting (especially considering his heart was just ripped out of him...which seems just as bad...) and his physical beatdowns.
While we wait for that, here is a alternate Darkside you can work with. 🙂
and you missed the point...again
One decision changed AoA and Days of Future Past and people's durability and powers vastly changed. It's the EXACT SAME SITUATION. You have to prove his abilities didn't change or alter with the manipulation or change in the years that passed. It's not looking good when he has to use shields to block a batarang and an arrow.
Were calling you silly for using alternate realities as canon for main universe Darkseid, why would you even bring up another instance?
Originally posted by -K-M-
and you missed the point...againOne decision changed AoA and Days of Future Past and people's durability and powers vastly changed. It's the EXACT SAME SITUATION. You have to prove his abilities didn't change or alter with the manipulation or change in the years that passed. It's not looking good when he has to use shields to block a batarang and an arrow.
Were calling you silly for using alternate realities as canon for main universe Darkseid, why would you even bring up another instance?
You've been missing the point (probably on purpose) for a while already. You really believe it's more likely that his entire biological structure change over 1 decision? You're trying to flip something because you have no evidence anything changed, and it's damned obvious. Because he has a forcefield, his entire biology changed! Genius! ❌
And who's we? We could all be laughing at you since you've been dodging a simple question for the longest Mungi. Your personal attacks say it all. 🙂
Originally posted by Avlon
You've been missing the point (probably on purpose) for a while already. You really believe it's more likely that his entire biological structure change over 1 decision? You're trying to flip something because you have no evidence anything changed, and it's damned obvious. Because he has a forcefield, his entire biology changed! Genius! ❌And who's we? We could all be laughing at you since you've been dodging a simple question for the longest Mungi. Your personal attacks say it all. 🙂
It's happened for other alternate realities several times 😬 How the hell do you not get this? This has been mentioned many times and no evidence? I used two other instances, but you still can't grasp it. Uuuuuh...also it's you who has to prove that Darkseid was unchanged, not me.
Nuff said. and what's this simple question again? and oh the irony, when asked for proof what do you do? Make other people provide proof for a tactic you brought up. Oh yes Darkseid using a forcefield to block a arrow and a batarang is definetly a typical durability tactic for him 😬
Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not entirely sure what's going on with the back and forth.All I know for sure is non-canon = unusable. Period.
No exceptions.
*shrug*
You really are a senseless fanboy 😬 It's YOU who has to provide proof, why do I? You have to show that Darkseid is the same Darkseid in the main universe, as in those years he could have gotten weaker as mentioned in Legion he does physically. The burden is on you, that he hasn't changed. YOU again
Originally posted by -K-M-
It's happened for other alternate realities several times 😬 How the hell do you not get this? This has been mentioned many times and no evidence? I used two other instances, but you still can't grasp it. Uuuuuh...also it's you who has to prove that Darkseid was unchanged, not me.
Your example doesn't prove anything about Darkseid having a biological difference or whether that method works or not...after all, physical attacks have worked just fine before...
You have no reasonable doubt as to why the method wouldn't work, so you've gone off to insults.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Nuff said. and what's this simple question again? and oh the irony, when asked for proof what do you do? Make other people provide proof for a tactic you brought up. Oh yes Darkseid using a forcefield to block a arrow and a batarang is definetly a typical durability tactic for him 😬
He had a forcefield up. Wow, that means his whole history/persona/biology changed! Yes Mungi. What a convincing argument! In canon, a Batkick made him bleed, guess he should have used the Forcefield then.
Originally posted by -K-M-
You really are a senseless fanboy 😬 It's YOU who has to provide proof, why do I? You have to show that Darkseid is the same Darkseid in the main universe, as in those years he could have gotten weaker as mentioned in Legion he does physically. The burden is on you, that he hasn't changed. YOU again
Let me get this straight, because I brought up a possibility to which you simply could have said yay or nay... you want to hurl insults? That's as fanboyish as things get. Silly on your part, but hey..to each his own.
Originally posted by -K-M-👆
and you missed the point...againOne decision changed AoA and Days of Future Past and people's durability and powers vastly changed. It's the EXACT SAME SITUATION. You have to prove his abilities didn't change or alter with the manipulation or change in the years that passed. It's not looking good when he has to use shields to block a batarang and an arrow.
Were calling you silly for using alternate realities as canon for main universe Darkseid, why would you even bring up another instance?
Originally posted by AvlonAgain if you want to use a method of death for Darkseid in an alternate reality then we can also use feats for Darkseid in an alternate reality.
Your example doesn't prove anything about Darkseid having a biological difference or whether that method works or not...after all, physical attacks have worked just fine before...You have no [b]reasonable doubt
as to why the method wouldn't work, so you've gone off to insults.He had a forcefield up. Wow, that means his whole history/persona/biology changed! Yes Mungi. What a convincing argument! In canon, a Batkick made him bleed, guess he should have used the Forcefield then.
Let me get this straight, because I brought up a possibility to which you simply could have said yay or nay... you want to hurl insults? That's as fanboyish as things get. Silly on your part, but hey..to each his own. [/B]
A batkick making him bleed proves what anyways? Batman cant defeat Darkseid so whats your point?
The bottom line is these two characters met once in hunter and prey in the main dcu. Darkseid proved his omega beams at full power can defeat Henshaw with oneshot up close. All we know for fact is that Darkseid can beat him with one shot.
Once again no proof by Avlon, so with his logic I guess Wolverine can beat Silver Surfer with ease, as in that reality it changed from the main 616 universe by one decision just like Rock of Ages.
You brought up a possibility with a non-canon feat, prove it's a viable tactic with main Darkseid. Altternate realities are non-canon, what does that mean? Means seperate from the main universe, and can't be used for main universe characters. The burden is on you, not me not anyone else, but YOU.
It's like using feats when Barry Allen decided to quit being the Flash and went to the future to see what happened. The heroes were noted to be weaker as they didn't care, and the villians became stronger thanks to not having the Flash interferring. So can I use those feats then as that reality was created by one decision.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again no proof by Avlon, so with his logic I guess Wolverine can beat Silver Surfer with ease, as in that reality it changed from the main 616 universe by one decision just like Rock of Ages.
If you want to make a case for wolvie against SS, feel free..I won't stop you... you can make a black panther vs SS thread if you want as well.
Originally posted by -K-M-
You brought up a possibility with a non-canon feat, prove it's a viable tactic with main Darkseid. Altternate realities are non-canon, what does that mean? Means seperate from the main universe, and can't be used for main universe characters. The burden is on you, not me not anyone else, but YOU.
It's a direct branch from the original universe...not a completely separate reality of it's own. Either way, the method of death worked on a DS who was not stated to be different in any way. Plenty of characters have died and been brought back to life via retcon. Does this make the method in which they died impossible?
If that is the route you take, you might as well close your KMC account since unless things are explicitly on panel, you won't be able to make a case most of the time.
Simply prove that method cannot be used against DS. It doesn't have to be such an emotional experience for you Mungi.
Originally posted by -K-M-
It's like using feats when Barry Allen decided to quit being the Flash and went to the future to see what happened. The heroes were noted to be weaker as they didn't care, and the villians became stronger thanks to not having the Flash interferring. So can I use those feats then as that reality was created by one decision.
Except nobody is using feats. I'm not sure why this is so hard to comprehend on your end. We are discussing a method of death. Even in your example, you stated that it was said that in that future characters were weaker. In the legion future, you said it stated that DS was weaker. In Rock of ages, no such statement was made.
If you want to take this up over PM, I'd be happy to discuss this with you in a CIVIL manner. Otherwise, you can feel free to disagree and we can stop taking up posts on this thread in a circular fashion.
