Hank Henshaw vs Darkseid

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Well lets see... They were pretty pissed off that AM was there as when they encountered him once before he tooled them. and they were trying to kill Hank..That sounds pretty bloodlust to me. Hank has insane durability. This was the same attack that caused SBP to scream out in pain in the same issue. Yet Hank didn't show anything to say that he was even affected. If anything he was upset the Guardian couldn't to do more to him.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not entirely sure what's going on with the back and forth.

All I know for sure is non-canon = unusable. Period.

No exceptions.

*shrug*

He claims I don't listen to him and I claim the same of him. If he wants to run with illogical rants of DS winning 10/10 is fine with me if he wants to take that route.

Going by the official rules, It states that feats are not allowed. I simply brought up the method of death and it turned into a convoluted back and forth where a simple answer to the question was all that was needed.

It's not like I brought up an elseworlds version of Darkseid. It's the same on from the main continuity (same history..etc) that branched off by 1 decision.

All I asked for was reasonable doubt as to why that method wouldn't work. That is what I continue to ask for.

If anything, characters get stronger with time and resistant to past attacks instead of the other way around.

Lulz, didn't I mention earlier DS DOESN'T win 10/10 (main DS), but your trying to use alternate realities which doesn't even exist anymore as facts for main universe Darkseid. So going by that logic I can use any alternate timeline/universe Darkseid feats.

Also you do realize those alternate realities I mentioned earlier were created as well from 1 decision and action and we saw how their powers varied.

"We will incinerate your heralds." Yeah, they didn't want to kill the man. Just make him warm a bit.

Jeez, open yer eyes.

Keep in mind he had rings the whole time, and could have taken the edge off of any attack that came his way during the entire war. Back on biot he used his rings to completely nullify Gardner's attack.

Furthermore, HE SURVIVED THE OMEGA BEAMS. "This doesn't mean he could survive the omega beams." He already did, why must you be so dense. You mean the full power, get-knee'd-in-the-face-before-I-can-use-them-unless-my-opponent-is-distracted-by-superman omega beams?

He wouldn't need to survive those, he could probably outrun them, or do the same thing DD and CLACK THAT JAW.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Lulz, didn't I mention earlier DS DOESN'T win 10/10 (main DS), but your trying to use alternate realities which doesn't even exist anymore as facts for main universe Darkseid. So going by that logic I can use any alternate timeline/universe Darkseid feats.

I'm not sure how you get that a method of death can equal new powers gained in a later reality. Henshaw can scan and create weapons based on weaknesses very easily...

Originally posted by -K-M-
Also you do realize those alternate realities I mentioned earlier were created as well from 1 decision and action and we saw how their powers varied.

I highly doubt that the legion storyline stems from 1 decision considering that it's centuries in the future...

Rock of ages was direct..

You're still dodging the main question Mungi, although I'm glad to see you aren't on some illogical stance of 10/10...

I've asked for reasonable doubt of why that method of death would not work.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'm not sure how you get that a method of death can equal new powers gained in a later reality. Henshaw can scan and create weapons based on weaknesses very easily...

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Avlon
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I highly doubt that the legion storyline stems from 1 decision considering that it's centuries in the future...

Rock of ages was direct..

You're still dodging the main question Mungi, although I'm glad to see you aren't on some illogical stance of 10/10...

I've asked for [b]reasonable doubt of why that method of death would not work. [/B]

Never said Legion was, I said Days of Future Past and AoA and the characters in that reality dramtically had varying power levels.

and was completly erased, and Darkseid ended up in the Source Wall.

What question? Your trying to use an alternate reality as canon, you can't 😬 I said earlier I don't think DS wins 10/10

Darkseid for one had to use shields to block attacks, when has he ever needed shields or for that matter actually generated a shield? If that doesn't strike you as something odd, good grief

Prove to me that Rock of Ages Darkseid is the same as the main universe Darkseid. The burden of proof is on you

Originally posted by -K-M-
What are you talking about?

Read it again, it's not difficult.

Method.of.Death. + New.Powers.

Not.Related.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Never said Legion was, I said Days of Future Past and AoA and the characters in that reality dramtically had varying power levels.

and was completly erased, and Darkseid ended up in the Source Wall.

Legion is a far future not decided by one decision. Rock of ages was 1 decision and a near future. Either way, the method of death is what is being discussed here.

Originally posted by -K-M-
What question? Your trying to use an alternate reality as canon, you can't 😬 I said earlier I don't think DS wins 10/10

How many times are we going to go in circle. METHOD OF DEATH. Is DS resistant to that method in the present? YES or NO?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Darkseid for one had to use shields to block attacks, when has he ever needed shields or for that matter actually generated a shield? If that doesn't strike you as something odd, good grief

He also doesn't normally grow 50 feet tall to fight giant turtle men. You didn't find that odd?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Prove to me that Rock of Ages Darkseid is the same as the main universe Darkseid. The burden of proof is on you

We can open a discussion thread on Rock of Ages if you like. However...

....The burden of proof is on you to prove DS is immune to that type of method of death. You're dodging the question and it's not going away.

........Nice dodge, I grow tired the fact your trying to use a non-canon source as canon.

I'll make this short and simple, show me that tactic can work on regular universe Darkseid. Show me proof as once again the burden of proof is on YOU...not me.

Prove to me that Rock of Ages Darkseid is the same power-wise as main universe Darkseid

If you want to use alternate universe I will use Legion, Superman/Batman: Generations or JLA: Another Nail feats

Okay guys, bottom line is.

Darkseid, resistant to willhunters or no?

Originally posted by -K-M-
........Nice dodge, I grow tired the fact your trying to use a non-canon source as canon.

You being tired has little to do with this thread.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'll make this short and simple, show me that tactic can work on regular universe Darkseid. Show me proof as once again the burden of proof is on YOU...not me.

In other words, you have no proof that it wouldn't work then, correct?
I'll take that as a no.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Prove to me that Rock of Ages Darkseid is the same power-wise as main universe Darkseid

Actually, he's MORE powerful. He has the anti-life equation. He's taken over earth which up to this point he's failed to do. Not that it matters.

Method of death is what is important here.

Originally posted by -K-M-
If you want to use alternate universe I will use Legion, Superman/Batman: Generations or JLA: Another Nail feats

Feel free. It still doesn't change the method of death I'm asking about and that you keep dodging Mungi.

Originally posted by jadervason
Okay guys, bottom line is.

Darkseid, resistant to willhunters or no?

He won't answer. He goes on a tirade about alternate realities instead of just answering the question.

I guess Batman can't be killed by omega beams, nor can Superman commit suicide, nor is Darkseids army capable of conquering Earth...

I would hate to see Darkseid lose in that manner. But I don't see why, if Henshaw could actually implement them, it wouldn't work.

Haha so just as I thought no proof, and then you claim everyone else has no proof. The burden of proof is on you, not me genius

Well using your logic, Darkseid wins 10/10 by absorbing all his energy taking control of his mind and removing his powers via. Legion abilities. Once again Anti-Life equation does not boost your powers physically, and Darkseid in the story had to use a personal shield to block batarangs and a Green Arrow arrow

Alternate realities are apparently canon now...awesome. I guess Cyclops and a Sentinel can incinate adamantium after all

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha so just as I thought no proof, and then you claim everyone else has no proof. The burden of proof is on you, not me genius

Well using your logic, Darkseid wins 10/10 by absorbing all his energy taking control of his mind and removing his powers via. Legion abilities. Once again Anti-Life equation does not boost your powers physically, and Darkseid in the story had to use a personal shield to block batarangs and a Green Arrow arrow

Alternate realities are apparently canon now...awesome. I guess Cyclops and a Sentinel can incinate adamantium after all

It's a mere extrapolation on a possibility that Darkseid has no immediate/apparent defense against Henshaw's willhunters. Relax.

Originally posted by jadervason
It's a mere extrapolation on a possibility that Darkseid has no immediate/apparent defense against Henshaw's willhunters. Relax.

He's using an instance from an alternate reality which is non-canon as a viable tactic to canon Darkseid. He even mentioned earlier Darkseid from Martian Manhunter 1,000,000 😬

The proof of burden is on him to show that tactic would work on CANON Darkseid, it's not on us.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha so just as I thought no proof, and then you claim everyone else has no proof. The burden of proof is on you, not me genius

Oooh...a sad attempt at an insult. I'm referring to a method, and you are obviously getting upset.

I guess MM can't be killed by shattering all his atoms one by one either as per that story.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Well using your logic, Darkseid wins 10/10 by absorbing all his energy taking control of his mind and removing his powers via. Legion abilities. Once again Anti-Life equation does not boost your powers physically, and Darkseid in the story had to use a personal shield to block batarangs and a Green Arrow arrow

Alternate realities are apparently canon now...awesome

LOL @ this lame attempt.

I understand that your pride won't let you quit, but ok Mungi.

Do you have reasonable doubt that method would not work?

MM can't be killed by shattering his atoms one by one.
Clark can't commit suicide.
Batman can't be erased by omegas.
Darkseid cannot take over Earth..etc..

Is Darkseid's physiology somehow different now that in the future? If you say yes..the burden of proof falls on you then to show how it differs in the past. It's more likely that it's the same. Look at the other examples.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He's using an instance from an alternate reality which is non-canon as a viable tactic to canon Darkseid. He even mentioned earlier Darkseid from Martian Manhunter 1,000,000 😬

The proof of burden is on him to show that tactic would work on CANON Darkseid, it's not on us.

Oh no! Not a mentioning of something even though it hasn't been used in the actual debate! The travesty!
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Once again the burden of proof is on YOU not me, prove to me that alternate timeline Darkseid is the same as the main universe Darkseid. Or are you going to make another long speel post that doesn't have to do with anything and avoiding the fact of the matter?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again the burden of proof is on YOU not me, prove to me that alternate timeline Darkseid is the same as the main universe Darkseid. Or are you going to make a long speel post that doesn't have to do with anything and avoiding the fact of the matter?

One decision created that direct future. It had nothing to do with DS.
If you are debating that Darkseid's whole physiological makeup is different because of it...then prove it.

We aren't debating an elseworlds Darkseid, hell, or even Tangent Darkseid.
Simply prove that method of death is not possible on him.

What do you think happened with Days of Future Past or AoA? It's the exact same situation and no one makes the claim to use those feats for their main universe counterparts. Do you know what happened to DS during those years? No, so you have to prove that in the future he is still at a normal power-level or if that's the case Legion feats can be applied here.

The burden of proof is on you...again 😬