Originally posted by Avlon
Isn't this what happened to Henshaw though?Why is it ok to accept it for one character and not another?
Notice what is said here...
and how many hits it was.
It's pretty possible that borg could do the same, considering that just like with Doomsday, he kept on fighting right after getting hit the first time.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again...are you serious? Age of Apocolypse or Days of Future Past was the real universe but does that mean Sentinels can incinerate Wolverine or Cyclops blow off Wolverine's hand? It's an alternate reality for goodness sakeLegion is a possible future, so can I use those feats as well?
I don't deal with xmen things too often, so I won't get into that stipulation.
However, if it's based on the same exact character and a way to kill him, why would it not be used. Do you believe that weakness does not exist in the present since he would clearly be more powerful in the future?
It's not like I'm going way into the future where Martian Manhunter defeats Darkseid. 😉
The question to be asked once again is do you believe that Henshaw cannot defeat DS at all? Is it 10/10 in your mind?
Originally posted by fangirl101
um, those are only the omega beams. not even the omega effect. doomsday had to be killed by entropy itself. which the omega effect happens to mirror in it's ability tocompletely wipe someone out.
Umm...did you not notice that he never got the chance to use his most powerful shot?
We never got to see what happened. It's not like Doomsday was distracted by fighting SUPERMAN at the exact same time.
Let's make a checklist here.
1. Took 1st shot of beams and kept going. - +DD/+Henshaw.
2. Took 2nd shot of beams at point blank range. - -DD/ +Henshaw.
3. Took out Superman level character in few hits. - +DD/+Henshaw.
4. Can upgrade during battle. - +DD/+Henshaw.
5. Is listed at beyond death. - +DD/+Henshaw.
A lot of similarities there... minus that one detail of the up close beams...
Originally posted by Avlon
I don't deal with xmen things too often, so I won't get into that stipulation.However, if it's based on the same exact character and a way to kill him, why would it not be used. Do you believe that weakness does not exist in the present since he would clearly be more powerful in the future?
It's not like I'm going way into the future where Martian Manhunter defeats Darkseid. 😉
The question to be asked once again is do you believe that Henshaw cannot defeat DS at all? Is it 10/10 in your mind?
It's the exact same logic, as those realities became the main 616 universe and used the exact same characters
Days of Future Past and AoA were based off of the real characters, so that means Cyclops can incinerate Wolverine's hand? As it's the same characters and was the main universe, so that would mean Cyclops could do it rightt? 😬 So do you know he has that weakness in the main universe then?
I take it you really didn't read that issue, as Martian Manhunter did NOT physically beat him
No one wins 10/10 there is always the unknown but a clear majority? Most definetly
Originally posted by -K-M-
It's the exact same logicDays of Future Past and AoA were based off of the real characters, so that means Cyclops can incinerate Wolverine's hand? As it's the same characters and was the main universe, so that would mean Cyclops could do it rightt? 😬 So do you know he has that weakness in the main universe then?
If someone kills you with a knife tomorrow, are you somehow immune to it today if it's still you?
Originally posted by -K-M-
I take it you really didn't read that issue, as Martian Manhunter did NOT physically beat him
Read it a long time ago, that's why I'm not using it as evidence. Still funny though.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No one wins 10/10 there is always the unknown but a clear majority? Most definetly
Exactly what I've been debating since the beginning. Henshaw can get his wins...it's definitely not out of his range. With creativity, there are ways they can take each other out.
It's a good fight though. At least until we see what upgrade DS gets in final crisis.
Originally posted by Avlon
If someone kills you with a knife tomorrow, are you somehow immune to it today if it's still you?
So like I said you think a Sentinel can incinerate Wolverine then? As Days of the Future past was the future and it happened. Also in the main 616 universe, during AoA Cyclops incinerated Wolverine's hand and that was present times so do you think Cyclops can do that as well?
Originally posted by Avlon
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Read it a long time ago, that's why I'm not using it as evidence. Still funny though.
It's the same logic your using here, you can't use an alternate reality to apply to a main character. As that would make Legion canon to current DS
Originally posted by -K-M-
So like I said you think a Sentinel can incinerate Wolverine then? As Days of the Future past was the future and it happened. Also in the main 616 universe, during AoA Cyclops incinerated Wolverine's hand and that was present times so do you think Cyclops can do that as well?
In your own words...
Originally posted by -K-M-
So depends on the writer
Originally posted by -K-M-
It's the same logic your using here, you can't use an alternate reality to apply to a main character. As that would make Legion canon to current DS
It's still the same logic though. Can tomorrows knife not kill you today? Was Darkseid altered in some way in the future? If anything, he was more powerful in that future.
Originally posted by Avlon
In your own words...
Yeah and your using my words for a different arguement which really don't relate. When has an alternate reality ever have everything the exact same?
Originally posted by Avlon
It's still the same logic though. Can tomorrows knife not kill you today? Was Darkseid altered in some way in the future? If anything, he was more powerful in that future.
Could have, now was Wolverine, Cyclops a Sentinel altered ? He was more powerful because he had the anti-life equation, which does not boost you physically
So like I said since Cylclops incinerated Wolverine's hand in the future, can he do it in the present?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah and your using my words for a different arguement which really don't relate. When has an alternate reality ever have everything the exact same?
You brought up writers because it suited your debate, but it is ok to debate a direct future?
Obviously something changed along the way, but is Darkseid shown to be weaker? Is he immune to that method here in the past?
Is there reasonable doubt that method wouldn't work?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Could have, now was Wolverine, Cyclops a Sentinel altered ? He was more powerful because he had the anti-life equation, which does not boost you physicallySo like I said since Cylclops incinerated Wolverine's hand in the future, can he do it in the present?
You tell us, you are bringing up the xmen. Can Batman survive the omega beams because they killed him in the future, but haven't been shown to affect him now in the past? Semantics aside... Could tomorrows knife not kill you today?
Originally posted by Avlon
You brought up writers because it suited your debate, but it is ok to debate a direct future?Obviously something changed along the way, but is Darkseid shown to be weaker? Is he immune to that method here in the past?
Is there [b]reasonable doubt
that method wouldn't work?You tell us, you are bringing up the xmen. Can Batman survive the omega beams because they killed him in the future, but haven't been shown to affect him now in the past? Semantics aside... Could tomorrows knife not kill you today? [/B]
You sir owe the world a scan. 😉
Originally posted by Avlon
You brought up writers because it suited your debate, but it is ok to debate a direct future?Obviously something changed along the way, but is Darkseid shown to be weaker? Is he immune to that method here in the past?
Is there [b]reasonable doubt
that method wouldn't work?
Really? 😕 My comment was talking about the potency of the omega beams as shown in the comic. If you want to go that route prove to me that reality was the same as the main universe. Or show me when an alternate reality is the same as the main universe. As it has shown in the actual comics future timelines that were spawn from altering the main universe showed main character powers varied. Prove to me they didn't, as I have already given evidence where it has varied
Who knows, as DS in the future as told by the Legion gets weaker in the future [physically]. So yeah there's doubt
Yes, as different alternate realities which were the main universe showed the main characters had their powers altered. Can you prove it would work?
Originally posted by Avlon
You tell us, you are bringing up the xmen. Can Batman survive the omega beams because they killed him in the future, but haven't been shown to affect him now in the past? Semantics aside... Could tomorrows knife not kill you today?
Nice dodge, so I guess a sentinel CAN incinerate Wolverine and I guess Cyclops CAN incinerate Wolverine's hand using your logic. What happens in different timelines which spawn their own reality does not make it the same as the main initial universe and that's a fact.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistYou arent following along here bran.
You're a hypocrite of the highest order.Wouldn't Hunter/Prey be irrelevant as it's an obviously much weaker Hank?
Apparently not.Superman grabbed him and basically slammed him into the Beams as they were coming.
What the f*ck do you expect Hank to do?
Someone said that Superman beat Doomsday but the Doomsday that beat Darkseid beat Supermans ass with the motherbox amp.
That was the first omega beams shot. He survived the first shot so why not prepare for Darkseid when he obviously isnt going away. Why didnt he defend himself or do anything to avoid the second? 🙂
Originally posted by -K-M-Those scans are outright hilarious. Poor Mr Henshaw. 😂
Superman #3 [Vol.2] was Desaad not Darkseid. Ummm...really? You seriously believe Desaad can tap into the full power of the Omega Effect? Are you serious? 😕You already mentioned Apokolips Now
You mean when he used the Aegis armor to block the beams? 😕
😖hifty:
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p06.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p07.jpg
Im keeping these scans. 😉
Originally posted by -K-M-
Behold....BIBBO!Bibbo vs. Joker
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p04.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p05.jpgBibbo vs. Cyborg Superman
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p06.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p07.jpgBibbo vs. Black Adam
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p08.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p09.jpgBibbo vs. Major Force
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p10.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p11.jpgBibbo vs. Doomsday
1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p16.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p17.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Showcase9610p18.jpg
Originally posted by AvlonI dont ignore he was fighting Superman but I do question how you can be cheapshotted twice by the same guy. It happened but it also proved that Henshaw cant survive a fully recovered Darkseid blast. He can survive when darkseid is near death and in recovery mode though.
He was recovered just fine. KM, left that scan out of course, which took place before what he posted, and I don't feel like pulling out my scanner.You still ignore the fact that Henshaw was fighting Superman and it took 2 blasts of the beams to take him down. He had to charge the 2nd blast while Supes and Henhsaw fought, sneak up on him and blast him point blank range.
Unfortunately for your case, both DD and Henshaw took the beams and kept on going. Doomsday was NOT distracted by Superman and thus ran up to DS before he charged up the second up close blast and beat him down. No reason a powered up Henshaw can't do the same.
So by your definition, he is an idiot, right?
It was a one shot, by your definition. A dead man one shot Thanos.
Because it shows what a hypocrit you are. At least attempting to judge fairly is part of debate.
Doomsday took a full blast while Henshaw couldnt. Cant you see the difference. The only reason Henshaw survived is because Darkseid put a hurting on him. Quit ignoring the context here it just shows the lengths youll go to. To try and give Henshaw a chance when he doesnt have one.
Thanos misjudged. He didnt get cheapshotted twice though like Henshaw. But Thanos isnt in this thread is he? He had powers to defeat Thanos while Darkseid s powers just erase Henshaw easily.
Henshaw also begged him to release him as he is easily contained.
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