Who can beat the Spectre?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda tore DC to pieces then she decided to remake DC.

Cool,

well the book showed that Wanda tore down DC,
and then she rebuilt DC.

Merlyn took all of DC's life-force and placed it withIN his crystals for nullification.

The Alien Entity embodies all of DC, past present and future.

😘 .. ahh, this is too ridiculous even while being sarcastic.

You can post whatever you wish,
but I'll be there to show the public what the facts are.

you'll show the public what the facts are? so tell us, when did merlyn take dc's life force and put it in his crystals? when did wanda deconstruct the dc universe? since you say you'll show us the truth. please enlighten us. give us a construed and skewed view of how all of this must simply have happened becuz the story says that the universes exist on the same plane in a different vibratory wave length. you know a funny thing about the story, it doesn't say WHEN. until you can prove that point of when, all of your luster and buster and growling and howling about a story you don't like is for NOTHING. the story simly could have existed with in a certain time frame as on the same plane and then back apart.

Originally posted by fangirl101

you'll show the public what the facts are?

Originally posted by fangirl101

so tell us, when did merlyn take dc's life force and put it in his crystals?
when did wanda deconstruct the dc universe?
since you say you'll show us the truth. please enlighten us.
give us a construed and skewed view of how all of this must simply have happened
becuz the story says that the universes exist on the same plane
in a different vibratory wave length.

You want me to show you those feats being confirmed in Marvel comics?

Again,
if anyone affects the entire Omniverse according to you,
they affect both companies,
cause you're validating the nonsense portrayed in Avengers/JLA.

So that said,

Wanda tore down DC and rebuilt DC like she did Marvel. (according to your logic that is)

And HOW do we know she (amongst others) did this to DC:

AGAIN!

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Polemachus is a whole Alternate Universe withIN the Marvel Multiverse:

"Polemachus ... it is a World that has known much war"

Qward is a whole Parallel Universe withIN the DC Multiverse:

"Another Universe, occupying the same Space,
but a different vibratory plane of reality"

It is a World that has known war as well"

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DC's 52 Universes

are also separated by a vibratory plane withIN the same Space?

52 identical Earths in 52 identical Cosmos,
the Earths will occupy the same Space,
each on a different vibrational plane"
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But I thought Polemachus (Marvel) & Qward (DC) shared the same Space on a different vibratory plane?

dontgetit

This would suggest,
that Marvel & DC not ony share the same Omniverse,
but the same Multiverse too.

Originally posted by fangirl101

you know a funny thing about the story, it doesn't say WHEN.
until you can prove that point of when, all of your luster and buster
and growling and howling about a story you don't like is for NOTHING.
the story simly could have existed with in a certain time frame
as on the same plane and then back apart.

...I noticed towards the end, you confused yourself.

edit

Originally posted by Mr Master
Concerning Marvel cosmics? Always.

Precisely.

You want me to show you those feats being confirmed in Marvel comics?

Again,
if anyone affects the entire Omniverse according to you,
they affect both companies,
cause you're validating the nonsense portrayed in Avengers/JLA.

So that said,

Wanda tore down DC and rebuilt DC like she did Marvel. (according to your logic that is)

dontgetit ...

...I noticed towards the end, you confused even yourself.

no. you just didn't comprehend. I didn't confuse myself. the story could have existed at a time when both realities existed on the same plane, and then seperated. Thus, your attempt at invalidating the feat of the spectre based upon this idea that merly could erase the dcu etc is nill. I'm not validating anything. the story itself validates itself. it is. it was. it will always be until it is reversed as such and will stay cannon.

Originally posted by fangirl101

no. you just didn't comprehend. I didn't confuse myself.
the story could have existed at a time when both realities existed on the same plane,
and then seperated. Thus, your attempt at invalidating the feat of the spectre based upon this idea that merly could erase the dcu etc is nill. I'm not validating anything.

It's nice to just make up a story that makes everything work,
but nah, unless you have proof, which you can't have, I won't buy your theory.

Originally posted by fangirl101

the story itself validates itself. it is. it was.
it will always be until it is reversed as such and will stay cannon.

Eternity's bio does not mention/reference or hint of that story ever taking place.

Yet, that's not even the biggest flaw,
the arc drowns itself in it's own contradicting nonsense. (it's a joke really) 🙂
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Imo,

this cross-over is canon withIN the cross-over ONLY!

Which translates too, it's inconsequential, irrelevant and meaningless,
because it took place in a fantasy reality,
where the laws of Marvel and DC do not apply,
so therefore, it is not the real Marvel and DC universes in those stories.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Unfortunately that's not what happened on panel, or anywhere else,
and none of your speculation is mentioned or alluded to anywhere.

It's nice to just make up a story that makes everything work,
but nah, unless you have proof, which you can't have, I won't buy your theory.

The story concerning Eternity is not canon.

Eternity's bio does not mention/reference or hint of that story ever taking place.

Yet, that's not even the biggest flaw,
the arc itself drowns itself in it's own contradicting nonsense. (it's a joke really) 🙂
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Imo,

this cross-over is canon withIN the cross-over ONLY!

Which translates too, it's inconsequential, irrelevant and meaningless,
because it took place in a fantasy reality,
where the laws of Marvel and DC do not apply,
so therefore, it is not the real Marvel and DC universes in those stories.

all of this becuz you say so and don't like the feat that the spectre performed. it's ok really. i dont' care what you think of the story. it happened. your saying something not mentioned in eternities bio means it didn't happen? I didn't know bio's were infallible these days. forgive me for thinking they were brief overviews. as I stated before, what you feel about the story doesn't change the story or the fact that it is canon.

Originally posted by fangirl101

all of this becuz you say so and don't like the feat that the spectre performed.
it's ok really. i dont' care what you think of the story. it happened. your saying something not mentioned in eternities bio means it didn't happen? I didn't know bio's were infallible these days. forgive me for thinking they were brief overviews. as I stated before, what you feel about the story doesn't change the story or the fact that it is canon.

When you find evidence linking Eternity to that story, let me know.

Until then,
that story took place in a fantasy realm,
where the laws of the real Marvel Omniverse have been F'd up big time.

So sorry friend, your Spectre feat does not apply to Marvel.

If you want it to falsely boost him over at DC, be my guest,
but Spectre never confronted any of the real Marvel items you mentioned,
only whatever those artifacts were withIN that make-believe world,
where DC and Marvel share the same Multiverse. 😂

Where Wanda tore down DC and remade it. (I wish it were true too, but no)

Originally posted by Mr Master
You have no proof that story is canon to Eternity.

When you find evidence linking Eternity to that story, let me know.

Until then,
that story took place in a fantasy realm,
where the laws of the real Marvel Omniverse have been F'd up big time.

So sorry friend, your Spectre feat does not apply to Marvel.

If you want it to falsely boost him over at DC, be my guest,
but Spectre never confronted any of the real Marvel items you mentioned,
only whatever those artifacts were withIN that make-believe world,
where DC and Marvel share the same Multiverse. 😂

Where Wanda tore down DC and remade it. (I wish it were true too, but no)

if this is how you feel. it in no way holds any weight with me. it doesn't hold weight with the story.

now in the story, there appears to be a watcher. we do know that watchers a race of beings who watch over marvel universes correct? or something like that. they can watch alternate and main universes of marvel. so we know that much that the story indeed does involve a marvel universe. you say it's not the 616. but in this same story, manhunter grabs the ultimate nullifier and it he says has the power alone to destroy the universe. now, how many ultimate nullifiers are there? to my knowlege there is only one with power like that. and since we know that a watcher was in this story, it has to be the one owned by 616 galactus. unless there are other nullifiers with that much power. but let us say for the sake of story, that it is an alternate nullifier. it still, alone has the power to destroy the universe. at least. we know universe in comics is often interchangeable with reality,multiverse etc. this would mean the other artifacts in the story, are in fact as poweful as the one's they represent if not the artifacts of the 616 given that a watcher, which appears to be uatu, and the un, to which in my knowlege there is only one with that kind of power, are both in. are u following me?

in the story, metron tells the avengers that there are 6 equally dangerous artifacts from the other universe. we know for a fact there is only one metron, and thus the items from this "faux" marvel reality as you call it, are at least as dangerous as the six from the dc universe. we already know that the un is at least as powerful as the "real" one.

also another clue that this is indeed the REAL marvel u is the fact that the grand master tells krona that he knows a being who lived thru the big bang. there is ONLY one being in Marvel in all it's multiverses who did that. that is the 616 GALACTUS. all other galactus came from him.

Metron backs this claim up that it is the 616 galactus with his log entry 517.62-alpha.

In book three, the avengers and jla who have been living in this combined world, see what thier seperate realities are supposed to look like. all of the events shown were 616 events. not one deviation. not one.

In book four, krona sees the actual birth of the 616. he looks at what can only be the 616 galactus's birth as he is the ONLY galactus to survive. he then looks at the dc's birth. he has merged the two universes together himself wielding the power that the grandmaster sought to use against him.
wanda further solidifies that this is indeed the multieternity as she says that is eternity and the leagues counter part.kismet is the multiversal guardian of dc. so 616 eternity would be her counter part correct? krona had imprisoned both of them using those items of power. we know the items had to be omniversal in scope combined. just by the description of the UN and the fact that DS could feel the traces of power within the infinity guantlet.

at the end of the story, it says once upon a time. hence there is no way to know when the story takes place. thus invalidating your theory that merlyn or roma or the alien entity had anything to do with it. and to seal the fact that it was indeed the 616, metron says, the stolen items return to thier proper places. the proper place for the ig and the un are the 616.

Now All i've done is used the story itself to validate my view. you are of course welcome to design a theory and back it up with claims from other series that in no shape form or fashion influence the story i'm talking about since as we know, the story has no set time.

Originally posted by fangirl101

if this is how you feel. it in no way holds any weight with me.
it doesn't hold weight with the story.

Now with the story, that's a different story.

Originally posted by fangirl101

now in the story, there appears to be a watcher. we do know that watchers a race of beings who watch over marvel universes correct? or something like that. they can watch alternate and main universes of marvel. so we know that much that the story indeed does involve a marvel universe. you say it's not the 616. but in this same story, manhunter grabs the ultimate nullifier and it he says has the power alone to destroy the universe. now, how many ultimate nullifiers are there? to my knowlege there is only one with power like that. and since we know that a watcher was in this story, it has to be the one owned by 616 galactus. unless there are other nullifiers with that much power. but let us say for the sake of story, that it is an alternate nullifier. it still, alone has the power to destroy the universe. at least. we know universe in comics is often interchangeable with reality,multiverse etc. this would mean the other artifacts in the story, are in fact as poweful as the one's they represent if not the artifacts of the 616 given that a watcher, which appears to be uatu, and the un, to which in my knowlege there is only one with that kind of power, are both in. are oyu following me?

So this whole speculation you're building your case on is heading towards a slippery slope.

Again, you have absolutely no proof of any kind that story pertains to 616 Eternity.

In fact, if one follows the story,
one realizes, that story doesn't even follow Marvel's cosmological make-up,
so all this spinning is going no where.

Originally posted by fangirl101

in the story, metron tells the avengers that there are 6 equally dangerous artifacts from the other universe. we know for a fact there is only one metron, and thus the items from this "faux" marvel reality as you call it, are at least as dangerous as the six from the dc universe. we already know that the un is at least as powerful as the "real" one.

Just don't claim Spectre over-powered Marvel's artifacts/weapons,
or anything of any kind really.

It's funny how you're stil trying to make sense out of this garbage story.

Dude, don't you get it,
Marvel and Dc do NOT share the same Multiverse! doh

Originally posted by fangirl101

also another clue that this is indeed the REAL marvel u is the fact that the grand master tells krona that he knows a being who lived thru the big bang. there is ONLY one being in Marvel in all it's multiverses who did that. that is the 616 GALACTUS. all other galactus came from him.

Metron backs this claim up that it is the 616 galactus with his log entry 517.62-alpha.

Galactus' story is the same even in What If's ... come on dude, please.

Originally posted by fangirl101

In book three, the avengers and jla who have been living in this combined world, see what thier seperate realities are supposed to look like. all of the events shown were 616 events. not one deviation. not one.

Also,

I would love to know since when does DC and Marvel exist withIN the same Multiverse?

Please show us proof, before we proceed.

Otherwise you're entire argument is going no where fast.

Originally posted by fangirl101

In book four, krona sees the actual birth of the 616.
he looks at what can only be the 616 galactus's birth
as he is the ONLY galactus to survive.

Here's an alternate Galactus being born in a Universe that was just re-created:

Same one as the original,
only it's NOT the original,
it's a divergent reality (a fake copy of 616)

Originally posted by fangirl101

he then looks at the dc's birth. he has merged the two universes together himself wielding the power that the grandmaster sought to use against him.

In this make believe world, anything is possible,
even Flash and Hawkeye owning Krona,
even Marvel and DC sharing the same Multiverse,
even the UN, IG and CCU needed to damage galaxies. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Originally posted by fangirl101

wanda further solidifies that this is indeed the multieternity as she says that is eternity and the leagues counter part. krona had imprisoned both of them using those items of power. we know the items had to be omniversal in scope combined. just by the description of the UN and the fact that DS could feel the traces of power within the infinity guantlet.

loleyes ...

... I can't believe you said any of that,
actually, no, wait ... I can believe it.

Originally posted by fangirl101

at the end of the story, it says once upon a time. hence there is no way to know when the story takes place. thus invalidating your theory that merlyn or roma or the alien entity had anything to do with it. and to seal the fact that it was indeed the 616, metron says, the stolen items return to thier proper places. the proper place for the ig and the un are the 616.

So does the IG.

So either Merlyn placed the life-force of DC in his crystals,
either Wanda tore down DC and rebuilt it,
either the Aline Entity embodies all of DC, (including it's future) like he does Marvel,

or your feat is inconsequential.

Originally posted by Mr Master
A lot of facts don't hold weight with you, nothing new about that.

Now with the story, that's a different story.

I follow that are other universal UN's, in fact, one for every divergent reality.

So this whole speculation you're building your case on is heading towards a slippery slope.

Again, you have absolutely no proof of any kind that story pertains to 616 Eternity.

In fact, if one follows the story,
one realizes, that story doesn't even follow Marvel's cosmological make-up,
so all this spinning is going no where.

I don't care if Spectre is the God compared to everything DC.

Just don't claim Spectre over-powered Marvel's artifacts/weapons,
or anything of any kind really.

It's funny how you're stil trying to make sense out of this garbage story.

Dude, don't you get it,
Marvel and Dc do NOT share the same Multiverse! doh

😆 ... I challenge you to show us Metron mention the number 616.

Galactus' story is the same even in What If's ... come on dude, please.

LOL, What IF's are fake copies of 616.

Also,

I would love to know since when does DC and Marvel exist withIN the same Multiverse?

Please show us proof, before we proceed.

Otherwise you're entire argument is going no where fast.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Now All i've done is used the story itself to validate my view.
you are of course welcome to design a theory
and back it up with claims from other series that in no shape form or fashion influence the story i'm talking about since as we know, the story has no set time.

I'm not interested in theories, that's your world.

I'm only concerned about the facts.

And the facts are,

Marvel and DC do not share the same Multiverse,
and it doesn't take the UN, CCU and IG just to mess with two single realities,
where only Galaxies are damaged. LOL ... you kidding?

In Marvel, any one of those items could crash multiple universes.

Heck, 4 Gems alone were about to collapse the entire Marvel Omniverse.

IG makes one God over all of Time/Space in Marvel.

UN can erase and re-create the infinite prime Multiverse in an instant,
and you think it takes the UN to subdue two universes? 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
You think cause krona saw some alternate Galactus being born,
he saw the beginning of the Universe? 😆

Here's an alternate Galactus being born in a Universe that was just re-created:

Same one as the original,
only it's NOT the original,
it's a divergent reality (a fake copy of 616)

Whoopi doo.

In this make believe world, anything is possible,
even Flash and Hawkeye owning Krona,
even Marvel and DC sharing the same Multiverse,
even the UN, IG and CCU needed to damage galaxies. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

loleyes ...

... I can't believe you said any of that,
actually, no, wait ... I can believe it.

The UN has fake counters across the divergent realities.

So does the IG.

So either Merlyn placed the life-force of DC in his crystals,
either Wanda tore down DC and rebuilt it,
either the Aline Entity embodies all of DC, (including it's future) like he does Marvel,

or your feat is inconsequential.

this is the best you can come up with. the watcher is detailing the MULTIVERSE. and we all know that every what if starts off with the 616 and then diverts to the alternate. there is only ONE birth of the galactus. everyother galactus comes after at some point in time when an event alters. there is also only one UN as far as I know. and if there others, none have shown the power to destroy a universe.

merlyn has nothing to do with this since the story takes place in a time that cannot be put in a chronological order with both realities. that will be all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, that's not what you've done,
what you've done is completely ignore Marvel's established cosmology,
and you've tried to replace it with the garbage that took place in that cross-over,
ain't gonna happen.

I'm not interested in theories, that's your world.

I'm only concerned about the facts.

And the facts are,

Marvel and DC do not share the same Multiverse,
and it doesn't take the UN, CCU and IG just to mess with two single realities,
where only Galaxies are damaged. LOL ... you kidding?

In Marvel, any one of those items could crash multiple universes.

Heck, 4 Gems alone were about to collapse the entire Marvel Omniverse.

IG makes one God over all of Time/Space in Marvel.

UN can erase and re-create the infinite prime Multiverse in an instant,
and you think it takes the UN to subdue two universes? 😆

all of your huffing and puffing isn't changing the fact that you aren't winning this. those artifacts where not there to bind two universes. as the story clearly says, kismet and her marvel counterpart, which would be the MULTIETERNITY were bound by krona. and the artifacts were gathered to beat krona, who had grown insanely powerful. nothing to do with merging universes. that was an after effect of the grandmaster trying to use the items on krona. i dont' care what anyone of those items could do in marvel. in the story, the items were gathered for the purpose of beating krona. not destroying any universes. where in the hell did I say it takes the UN to subdue two single universes? more of your smoke and mirros. i so enjoy debating with you when you cannot possibly win.

Originally posted by fangirl101

all you did was make a bunch of noise. i knew you would.

Relax dude, where just debating,
if you can't support your claims,
not my fault.

When you figure out,
how to make the story canon to Eternity 616, let me know.

When you figure out,
what world is this where Marvel and DC share the same Multiverse, let me know.

Originally posted by fangirl101

you didn't refute anything.

Watch as I again, refute what you just stated below!

Originally posted by fangirl101

No other UN's have the destructive power of THE UN.

case closed.

yawn

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're just frustrated I've dissected your whole argument meticulously.

Relax dude, where just debating,
if you can't support your claims,
not my fault.

When you figure out,
how to make the story canon to Eternity 616, let me know.

When you figure out,
what world is this where Marvel and DC share the same Multiverse, let me know.

I've refuted every corner you've turned with on panel evidence,
you? With speculation, otherwise known as empty talk.

[B]Watch as I again, refute what you just stated below!

Alternate UN erasing an entire Universe with the flick of a switch:

yawn [/B]

there are two points, one, kismet was said to be held with her counterpart. she is the guardian of the multiverse for dc. her counterpart there for HAS TO BE 616 galatus.
that means, that the un in the story could only be 616 galactus becuz no other un can destroy the 616. two, the un in the story could destroy the universe. they were in the 616. it has to be the UN of the 616. and wasn't korvak's universe a small universe or somethign like that? i dont' know all the details of that story.

and trust me, you didn't refute my argument. you didn't address the fact that eternity was held with his counter part. that there is only one galactus born and the others come from a divergence in the time line. time begins in marvel AFTER galactus's birth into the new universe.

Originally posted by fangirl101

this is the best you can come up with. the watcher is detailing the MULTIVERSE. and we all know that every what if starts off with the 616 and then diverts to the alternate.

Nice dodge.

Originally posted by fangirl101

there is only ONE birth of the galactus.

Jeesh, you're an intransigent fellow, no offense but come on.

Originally posted by fangirl101

every other galactus comes after at some point in time when an event alters.

So far you've just been talking out of your ass, and it's amusing,
but don't start the despicable lies.

Originally posted by fangirl101

there is also only one UN as far as I know.
and if there others, none have shown the power to destroy a universe.

I already showed you an Alternate UN,
and I also showed you that Alternate UN erasing an entire Universe.

Originally posted by fangirl101

merlyn has nothing to do with this since the story takes place in a time that cannot be put in a chronological order with both realities. that will be all.

Originally posted by fangirl101

all of your huffing and puffing isn't changing the fact that you aren't winning this. those artifacts where not there to bind two universes. as the story clearly says, kismet and her marvel counterpart, which would be the MULTIETERNITY were bound by krona. and the artifacts were gathered to beat krona, who had grown insanely powerful. nothing to do with merging universes. that was an after effect of the grandmaster trying to use the items on krona. i dont' care what anyone of those items could do in marvel. in the story, the items were gathered for the purpose of beating krona. not destroying any universes. where in the hell did I say it takes the UN to subdue two single universes? more of your smoke and mirros. i so enjoy debating with you when you cannot possibly win.

And yet, only Galaxies were affected. 😆

So again, you still got nothing but empty bravado
and absolutely no proof of any kind to support anything.

Bottom line:

1. Marvel and DC do not and never have shared the same Multiverse.

2. Eternity ("multi"😉 is not made up of Galaxies, but of an infinite amount of UniverseS.

3. By the time Spectre separate the Two single Universes,
Krona was out the picture, beaten by the Flash and Hawkeye.

So come to think of it,
Spectre separate those two Universes when they weren't even being strained anymore. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Multi-Eternity?

And yet, only Galaxies were affected. 😆

So again, you still got nothing but empty bravado
and absolutely no proof of any kind to support anything.

Bottom line:

1. Marvel and DC do not and never have shared the same Multiverse.

2. Eternity ("multi"😉 is not made up of Galaxies, but of an infinite amount of UniverseS.

3. By the time Spectre separate the Two single Universes,
Krona was out the picture, beaten by the Flash and Hawkeye.

So come to think of it,
Spectre separate those two Universes when they weren't even being strained anymore. 😂

you tell us eternity is not made up of galaxies in some attempt to make me seem like i'm ignorant of eternity. i know who he is. and what he is. the story affects eternity and kismet. as in universes. you saying only galaxies were affected is way off base since we see the universes bound and it says UNIVERSES.

krona was beaten, but the effect of the binding of the universes was from the items. with no one to command a seperation, the bind was still in effect.