Originally posted by quanchi112
Most would disagree here. The Spectre didnt defeat either on his own and needed lots of help.
I don't agree with this statement. The Spectre never needs any help. It's the other way around. The heroes needed help and without the Spectre The AM and Parallax would have both won.
Originally posted by JuntaiWhy is it that you focus on Parallax being amped but when Spectre is amped by outside sources its ok. 😬
It's always cool when people admit they're outright lying after someone points it for everyone to plainly see, if only you'd do that about the dozen other or so things I've already pointed out you lying about or completely misconstruing. But hey, I'll take it one victory at a time. You'll be conceeding more after this post.Now before I continue... because it pertains your post here as well... in a previous post: You said this;
😆Funny how Hal mentioned he was going to build more Universes after building the one, that didn't even get finished entirely. Clearly he had far more power than you're giving credit for. He even specifically mentions building a universe for the JSA. And then another for Centurion and one for the alternate Batgirl as well. . . .Or are you purposely leaving that out hoping to convince those who haven't read the story that Spectre fought a powerless Parallax? Hallax had a ton of energy left. One universe was apperently the least of his power, the bulk of it was lost fighting Spectre.
Out of energy before fighting Spectre? I think not.
Out of Guardian/OA energy before fighting Spectre? Not even close. Notice his giant green constructs and energy blasts. Especially given that he planned to build more universes, requiring the same plasma energy he used to build the first.
At the peak of his power he stole from the dawn of time and OA? I never suggested such a thing. Spectre still fought a multiverse destroyer/creator, until he was out of energy that he couldn't beat a handful of guys kicking and punching him. Surely Hal used some energy, but according to Hal, it was pretty much a drop in the water, while while he was going to go about rebuilding the Infinite Earths.
This was also CLEARLY a severely amped up Parallax, as subsequent ION and Parallax appearanced have them nowhere near the same level, so he is clearly above the entities, where you claimed he was not earlier in the thread. That was the reason for bringing up Zero Hour, because an amped up Parallax still was left powerless by Spectre, who still had vast amounts of energy left. So much in fact, that the others who absorbed Parallax's universe, dumping it into Damage, seemed to be far less energy than Spectre was pumping, given Damage's reaction. Spectre's powers clearly did the bulk of the work in restarting reality.
Spectre lost to Hallax?! Laughable. He was still standing at the resolution of the fight, after Parallax dumped the equivelent of a multiverse of energy into their battle, and STILL HAD MORE TO GIVE. There is no on panel confirmation of him defeated, only one you're extrapolating completely. In fact, his remaining vast energies suggest completely otherwise.
Now, you said, Parallax entity is immune to Spectre.
More lies, which seems to be a habit for you in this thread.
And since you've danced around it, and tried to run off on tangents every time I bring it up - I'll make it plain simple, and concise.Fill in these blanks for me;
In Rebirth issue 4.
Hal calls out "____.... HELP ME!"
And it took ____ exactly ___ amount of panels to seperate them by clapping his hands together?"If you said; SPECTRE, SPECTRE, and ONE. You are correct!
And after the Spectre leaves, Parallax believes that nothing can stop him, indeed, he clearly said without the Spectre there were no hands holding him in place.
Originally posted by fangirl101The heroes needed the Spectre Ill fully agree but the Spectre also needed the heroes. I could also say without the heroes Parallax and Am would have won which is true and you cant debate that.
I don't agree with this statement. The Spectre never needs any help. It's the other way around. The heroes needed help and without the Spectre The AM and Parallax would have both won.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The heroes needed the Spectre Ill fully agree but the Spectre also needed the heroes. I could also say without the heroes Parallax and Am would have won which is true and you cant debate that.
yes i can debate that. the heroes were there for the story. one could say that the marvel cosmics need the heroes to beat thanos with the ig. but we know it's just for added story. who wants to read about two or three cosmic entities for an entire mini series?
Originally posted by fangirl101Heres the difference. The abstracts and heroes failed against Thanos with the ig as they couldnt beat him he was far too powerful. The Lt wasnt involved because the writer felt he was above its power imo. The Spectre gets involved because he is nowhere near as powerful as the Lt and needs amps and lots of heroes to tackle the biggest threats out there.
yes i can debate that. the heroes were there for the story. one could say that the marvel cosmics need the heroes to beat thanos with the ig. but we know it's just for added story. who wants to read about two or three cosmic entities for an entire mini series?
Your speculation holds no weight whatsoever.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Heres the difference. The abstracts and heroes failed against Thanos with the ig as they couldnt beat him he was far too powerful. The Lt wasnt involved because the writer felt he was above its power imo. The Spectre gets involved because he is nowhere near as powerful as the Lt and needs amps and lots of heroes to tackle the biggest threats out there.Your speculation holds no weight whatsoever.
The thread is really interesting, but bordering on chaos, i have seen very good points...but i have yet to get an explanation of a clear deafeat of spectre during zero hour.......was it p.i.s or did he job?
I understand why p.i.s is used, but to see posters try and defend spectre in zero hour is funny, just say it...it was p.i.s or he jobbed for the sake of the story......whatever, lets just get to the truth
Originally posted by starlockThe truth is, Spectre was never depicted as being defeated, and in fact, was still standing with vast energies at the end of the conflict. The truth is, a batarang and an arrow took down Parallax after Spectre took a big hit - and nothing more than a big hit - from a guy capable of erasing and building universes.
The thread is really interesting, but bordering on chaos, i have seen very good points...but i have yet to get an explanation of a clear deafeat of spectre during zero hour.......was it p.i.s or did he job?I understand why p.i.s is used, but to see posters try and defend spectre in zero hour is funny, just say it...it was p.i.s or he jobbed for the sake of the story......whatever, lets just get to the truth
Originally posted by Juntai
The truth is, Spectre was never depicted as being defeated, and in fact, was still standing with vast energies at the end of the conflict. The truth is, a batarang and an arrow took down Parallax after Spectre took a big hit - and nothing more than a big hit - from a guy capable of erasing and building universes.
Never depicted as being defeated?
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17ka9.jpg
Spectre "this ends now"
Parallax "right but not the way you want"
Spectre "AARGH!"
And as kyle says "the spectres sacrafice weakened you...given us time"
So your trying to put down parallax to fortify your position? sorry your opinion on the matter is not enough, scans clearly show parallax blowing a hole thru batgirl trying to take out damage after spectre was defeated...
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/453/zerohour017wn7.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4164/zerohour020cj0.jpg
Kyle"the fight totally drianed him-he was powerless"
The fight totally drained him not just the spectre
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Originally posted by starlockI never said he didn't put out one more blast, [ a weak one at that, that couldn't even peirce through Batgirl and hit damage anyways, not sure why he thought that little amount of energy would actually kill Damage anyways, but I guess it was all he had left.] ... I said a batarang and an arrow took him down, which is 100% true. I've done nothing to put down Hal, in fact, I was the one that mentioned he intended to build other universes as well, therefore proving him mightier and not nearly completely spent of power as another posted suggested.
Never depicted as being defeated?
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17ka9.jpgSpectre "this ends now"
Parallax "right but not the way you want"
Spectre "AARGH!"
And as kyle says "the spectres sacrafice weakened you...given us time"So your trying to put down parallax to fortify your position? sorry your opinion on the matter is not enough, scans clearly show parallax blowing a hole thru batgirl trying to take out damage after spectre was defeated...
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/453/zerohour017wn7.jpghttp://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4164/zerohour020cj0.jpg
Kyle"the fight totally drianed him-he was powerless"The fight totally drained him not just the spectre
.
Spectre is not depicted as defeated in that panel and Kyle's claim is ambiguous at best.
Spectre is still up at the end of the conflict on panel leaving claims that he was defeated laughable. Spectre's sacrifice is taking the bulk of Parallax's energy and a big blow at the end.
It would be extrapolating and completely out of the context to think he was defeated since he was still standing and never depicted on panel as Koed or defeated.
Show me the panel that shows Spectre KOed, because I can I show you the ones where he's not, directly after Hal gets hit with a batarang and an arrow... and then proceeds to help remake the Big Bang.
Originally posted by starlock
Never depicted as being defeated?
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17ka9.jpgSpectre "this ends now"
Parallax "right but not the way you want"
Spectre "AARGH!"
And as kyle says "the spectres sacrafice weakened you...given us time"So your trying to put down parallax to fortify your position? sorry your opinion on the matter is not enough, scans clearly show parallax blowing a hole thru batgirl trying to take out damage after spectre was defeated...
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/453/zerohour017wn7.jpghttp://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4164/zerohour020cj0.jpg
Kyle"the fight totally drianed him-he was powerless"The fight totally drained him not just the spectre
.
the spectre doesn't look defeated. how is he defeated and he is still wielding all of his power and indeed at the end of the fight, he's the one that takes hal's soul away.
Originally posted by fangirl101
the spectre doesn't look defeated. how is he defeated and he is still wielding all of his power and indeed at the end of the fight, he's the one that takes hal's soul away.
Fangirl , so now we have a criteria for defeats...the one defeated can never come back?
And now we have another criteria...one who returns with power can not have been defeated?
Hes the spectre he better come back, and he better have power.
Originally posted by starlock
Fangirl , so now we have a criteria for defeats...the one defeated can never come back?
And now we have another criteria...one who returns with power can not have been defeated?Hes the spectre he better come back, and he better have power.
I never saw the spectre on the ground, knocked out, or anything like that. He took a blast, arrged for a second and came back and took hal away. We just have to disagree. But I don't see the spectre as defeated. The only time I've ever seen him truly defeated was by the arc angel. now that was defeated.
Originally posted by starlockThe one who is defeated should be depicted as defeated on panel, however, and nothing of the sort was shown for Spectre.
Fangirl , so now we have a criteria for defeats...the one defeated can never come back?
And now we have another criteria...one who returns with power can not have been defeated?Hes the spectre he better come back, and he better have power.
Originally posted by fangirl101👆 There would be all kinds of defeats if everyone who took a blast and arghed, was considered beaten. Even though a few moments later, we still see them standing, perfectly OK, and full of power.
I never saw the spectre on the ground, knocked out, or anything like that. He took a blast, arrged for a second and came back and took hal away. We just have to disagree. But I don't see the spectre as defeated.
Originally posted by Mr Masterlol.
😂 True that.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/1qb1.jpg
ARGH, SPECTRE DEFEATED AGAIN!
Originally posted by Juntai
lol.http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/1qb1.jpg
ARGH, SPECTRE DEFEATED AGAIN!
You can lol all you want, you were the one caught lying and misleading people, its no surprise Mr Master came to you in your hour of need, i just did not expect it from you juntai, i thought maybe a disagreement in views or is it p.i.s or jobbing, but your just becoming a fly on the wall, a member of the peanut gallery, you know, the guy who post and his view is not even considered or taken with any real weight. its ok though bias and rampant fanboyism seems to be in these days
Originally posted by starlockNext time try an honest rebuttle. Using an entire post just to attempt to insult me simply because your view isn't backed in context and never seen on panel is downright childish.
You can lol all you want, you were the one caught lying and misleading people, its no surprise Mr Master came to you in your hour of need, i just did not expect it from you juntai, i thought maybe a disagreement in views or is it p.i.s or jobbing, but your just becoming a fly on the wall, a member of the peanut gallery, you know, the guy who post and his view is not even considered or taken with any real weight. its ok though bias and rampant fanboyism seems to be in these days
In your next post, I expect you to yell "ARGH" so everyone who didn't already know has a clear indication that you're defeated.
