Originally posted by Darth Exodus
hysterical LOL!!! Sid's gets Mega Gang-raped!!!!bawling :Tears of joy.
Individually Traya or Nihilius could stand up to him and possibly win,but he does get raped if they all take him.
Sidious = Most powerful Sith ever. Both Traya and Nihilus have shit saber skills, and Sidious' force mastery is basically unmatched; his force drain is just as potent as these people. His lightning is far superior. Yeah, he pwns each one of them individually.
But all three? Lol, this is insane. It's like the NJO Luke vs. Sidious, Yoda, Nihilus, and Bane... NO ONE can take out Nihilus, Sion, and Traya at once. Sidious gets owned, but he can possibly take out one of them with him. Well... I'd say Sion might get killed, because he has no special powers- and Sidious can probably take him out via the dark side, eliminating his permanent life-span. Sidious will subsequently curbstomp him in a saber duel.
Traya and Nihilus, though, are each almost as strong as ROTS Sidious in the force, and together they can pwn him. The team wins.
As of yet, no canon source has ever factually stated Sidious to be the most powerful Sith Lord there's ever been, and in terms of demonstrated power, there are many who have him beaten, some by a mile. You seriously need to stop presenting this extremely idiotic opinion as a fact in every thread you post in, because you look like a fool each and every time.
As for his "unmatched" Force Mastery, as it stands, Bane's ability to use the Force on the sub-atomic level is the greatest showing of control and mastery there's ever been in the mythos, and that really is something that's unmatched. Sidious hasn't demonstrated mastery even close, and the idea that his Force drain is even as potent as Traya's, let alone Nihilus', is as laughable as it gets. He hasn't demonstrated the power on a scale even close to planetary, and he's never been able to dominate powerful Force Users with it either, let alone three of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Galaxy at the same time with no visible signs of effort like Traya did. He was only ever stated to have drained the Force from Byss and its inhabitants, over extended periods of time, to prolong his health. That no indication is given to how many inhabitants or how much energy from the Planet he was able to drain the Force from at any given time makes the feat completely worthless.
It'd also be terrific if you could prove that Traya's or Nihilus' saber skills were "shit," as you put it, and that Sidious' were any better, because just like the people you're comapring to, he hasn't ever demonstrated any particularly impressive skills; certainly nothing that would put him above Traya or Nihilus in the department, and the fact that he dedicated his time, almost fully, to mastering the Force and obtaining as much knowledge as he could get his hands on, following his rise to power, would leave him even less time to focus on his lightsaber skills than Nihilus or Traya would have had.
Originally posted by Kadesh
As of yet, no canon source has ever factually stated Sidious to be the most powerful Sith Lord there's ever been, and in terms of demonstrated power, there are many who have him beaten, some by a mile. You seriously need to stop presenting this extremely idiotic opinion as a fact in every thread you post in, because you look like a fool each and every time.As for his "unmatched" Force Mastery, as it stands, Bane's ability to use the Force on the sub-atomic level is the greatest showing of control and mastery there's ever been in the mythos, and that really is something that's unmatched. Sidious hasn't demonstrated mastery even close, and the idea that his Force drain is even as potent as Traya's, let alone Nihilus', is as laughable as it gets. He hasn't demonstrated the power on a scale even close to planetary, and he's never been able to dominate powerful Force Users with it either, let alone three of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Galaxy at the same time with no visible signs of effort like Traya did. He was only ever stated to have drained the Force from Byss and its inhabitants, over extended periods of time, to prolong his health. That no indication is given to how many inhabitants or how much energy from the Planet he was able to drain the Force from at any given time makes the feat completely worthless.
It'd also be terrific if you could prove that Traya's or Nihilus' saber skills were "shit," as you put it, and that Sidious' were any better, because just like the people you're comapring to, he hasn't ever demonstrated any particularly impressive skills; certainly nothing that would put him above Traya or Nihilus in the department, and the fact that he dedicated his time, almost fully, to mastering the Force and obtaining as much knowledge as he could get his hands on, following his rise to power, would leave him even less time to focus on his lightsaber skills than Nihilus or Traya would have had.
you realize you've degenerated to the point of bringing up bane when no one is even talking about him now?
Lucas is pretty cannon. He said sidious is the greatest. ROTS novelization calls him the culmination of bane's order, stating that each sith in the order became more powerful than the last. so with that kind of logic (which i don't agree with, but its there) you could possible say that bane is the WEAKEST sith in his order...) but who am i to point that out?
Originally posted by Kadesh
As of yet, no canon source has ever factually stated Sidious to be the most powerful Sith Lord there's ever been, and in terms of demonstrated power, there are many who have him beaten, some by a mile. You seriously need to stop presenting this extremely idiotic opinion as a fact in every thread you post in, because you look like a fool each and every time.
YOU'RE A FOOL to deny canon. NEC... Visual Dictionary... DE... I suppose they're all non-canon, right? Well, yeah, of course they aren't canon! The author was lying!
Originally posted by Kadesh
As for his "unmatched" Force Mastery, as it stands, Bane's ability to use the Force on the sub-atomic level is the greatest showing of control and mastery there's ever been in the mythos, and that really is something that's unmatched. Sidious hasn't demonstrated mastery even close, and the idea that his Force drain is even as potent as Traya's, let alone Nihilus', is as laughable as it gets. He hasn't demonstrated the power on a scale even close to planetary, and he's never been able to dominate powerful Force Users with it either, let alone three of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Galaxy at the same time with no visible signs of effort like Traya did. He was only ever stated to have drained the Force from Byss and its inhabitants, over extended periods of time, to prolong his health. That no indication is given to how many inhabitants or how much energy from the Planet he was able to drain the Force from at any given time makes the feat completely worthless.
Bane, I suppose, is the absolute incarnation of power in your eyes, while you refuse to see that Sidious has done far more impressive feats than he had.
-Byss Drain: Yes, it was on a planetary level and involved a very good portion of the Alderaan survivors; the simple capability to drain a whole planet at once is far beyond what Traya had displayed. The details of Nihilus' drain, other than the "Lol he'z so uber" often used by characters- fallible characters- are completely unknown.
-Force Lightning: Let us not forget the very fact that there will be a single force power very helpful in this fight; namely Sidious' force lightning, that was on a far higher potency than any force users in your list, despite your pretense. The lightning was capable of making Windu, an exceptionally powerful saber use, almost be completely overpowered by it- and its my contention that Sidious wasn't really trying in the lightning struggle. The same lightning reduced three dark side prophets to ashes, prophets whose capability with the force was to resurrect a Darth Maul who was capable of matching Vader. Indeed, he also killed 500 stormtroopers with force lightning- 500 ALTERED stormtroopers. Yeah, go ahead. And what's exactly Bane's usage of the force on a molecular level? I won't even get to his force storm. But that's DE Sidious.
-Sidious' speed, anyone? His speed that was addressed as a blur, the viewer (Anakin) being incapable of seeing Sidious himself?
Originally posted by Kadesh
It'd also be terrific if you could prove that Traya's or Nihilus' saber skills were "shit," as you put it, and that Sidious' were any better, because just like the people you're comapring to, he hasn't ever demonstrated any particularly impressive skills; certainly nothing that would put him above Traya or Nihilus in the department, and the fact that he dedicated his time, almost fully, to mastering the Force and obtaining as much knowledge as he could get his hands on, following his rise to power, would leave him even less time to focus on his lightsaber skills than Nihilus or Traya would have had.
On the contrary. Sidious was capable of completely WTFpwning 3 Jedi Masters, who were considered to be some of the greatest swordsmen in the histoy of the Jedi order, in the space of 10 seconds. He also subsequently forced back Mace Windu, who was only capable of gaining the upper hand due to his shatterpoint ability; Sidious was later capable of being equally matched with Yoda, the 'most devestatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known', according to the novel, in lightsaber combat skill, too. I'd call that impressive.
Also, Nick Gillard mentioned him to be a master of every form and a level 9 swordsmen, the highest tier available in lightsaber combat.
Note that I still believe that ROTS Sidious would be curbstomped by these three, but he can take any of them on individually.
i think he could take two, easily if one of them is sion.
I bet he could take nihilius and traya, simply because we have NO IDEA how his force drain works. We can't always assume it kills individual people, what if it has to be on a planetary scale before it works, and what if it weakens them little by little, and kills them days later? Do we really know any details of his attack? Traya would be dangerous, but she has never done anything that sidious couldn't do on a bad day.