Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
AGAIN he was channeling the power 25 OTHER Lords, meaning their power + his allowed him to be the focal point and conduit of the Force Storm. He was protected by their power.
AGAIN he absorbed all of it under his own power and ability, and the idea that their power was protecting him is:
a) Not once supported in the novel (which describes the ritual in great detail) or comic, and
b) At best, silly, considering how it was explicitly stated that to be the vessel for the ritual was not only extremely dangerous, but also required the user to be extremely powerful, which wouldn't make any sense if the other Sith Lords were simply using their own power to protect him.
Either way, Occam's Razor (which is fully admissible in speculative threads) dictates that my stance is the correct one, and it's your burden of proof to prove up on this ridiculous theory that the other Sith Lords were protecting Bane with their power.
So as it stands, everything Bane did was through his own ability and power, which, when putting everything into perspective, was one hell of an achievement, given that:
A) The magnitude of energy was described as being so potent that it would have been able to destroy the entire planet of Ruusan.
B) Bane was able to absorb that level of energy through all different parts of his body as the comic show us.
C) He was subsequently able to contain it, and protect himself internally from it.
D) And lastly, he was, after all of that, able to reach out in the Force, and redirect the energy across the surface of the entire Planet.
The entire showing puts anything we see from Sidious to shame, and this before Bane had gone on to study the Force for a further ten years and obtain the Force power enhancing orbalisk armour.
The simple fact that in RoT when he's put in a similar situation, his own force lightning (A MUCH MUCH MUCH weaker version then the force storm on Ruusan) when reflected back at him, while he was inside the Jedi's force shield brought him to the point that he was an uncounsious half dead smoking husk. Had he had this tremendous power your speaking of he wouldn't have been fazed by it.
False comparison. Bane was actively absorbing the energy of the other Sith Lords on Ruusan when they all joined together for their Force Storm, whereas in Ro2, the Jedi Master (Worror) who trapped Bane and his lightning in the blue orb that he had he conjured was, by Bane, believed to be dead, and was described as conjuring the orb at the very instant that Bane unleashed the storm of lightning in question, meaning that Bane was logically caught off guard, and thus, wouldn't have been able to apply a defence.
Actually Banes frustration with the Holocron and years of persistance seem to imply that that was the only method available, in creating an ever lasting SITH holocron, like the one Revan made, and the Sith woman with the techno droid army. Why else would such a practical man like Bane waste so much time if other methods were available
The subatomic alterations had nothing to do with creating an ever lasting Sith holocron; take note of the page number I gave Sidi-Boy, he had been following that exact method for his very first [failed] attempts at making a Holocron.
It was the Rite of Commencement, as Belia described, that was the key to trapping the cognitive network within the capstone, which was the reason that Bane's earlier attempts at constructing holocrons had always failed (the cognitive network would always degrade before he could make the adjustments).
All that was stated, in regards to the precise subatomic alterations Bane had been making, was that he had been making them to ensure that each crystalline strand was properly in place within the holocron, however, not once in the entire book is it stated or implied that such an action was vital to a holocron's creation, and that there were no other alternatives, ergo, there's no logical basis in claiming that everyone within the mythos who had ever created a holocron would have had to go through the exact same procedure.
Meaning, as it stands, Bane is the only character within the mythos who can be argued to possess that kind of level of control, which speaks volumes, because it means that even when up against someone who's displayed more power than he has (which is a very select few), he would likely be able to focus his power on his opponents far more efficiently than they would be able to on him.
Point taken.
You're damn right it is nigga.
Actually it did, were shown Padme in the dark and the lights out on Coruscant,
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^Look at the upper two panels, we're quite clearly shown that the opposite was the case.
were also show every Jedi being affected in the large crystal, such as Yoda getting hurt out of nowhere and Anakin going beserk. All Sidious influence.
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^The comic's right there, I just read it, and most of what happens appears to be pretty ambiguous to be honest, but either way, it's your burden of proof, as you made the original claims in regards to what's happening, so until you can prove that your interpretation of it is the absolute right one, the entire incident is worthless to bring up.
And again, the sheer fact that Palpatine had several Ancient Sith Spirits help him with the ritual in the first place further undermines it, and it wasn't even coming close to Nihilus' destruction of Katarr in the first place anyway.
I'd like to see the exact quote before we go on with this, I'll look it up and get back to you.
The quote that Elite Hunter provided is the right one, though the source isn't. The statement actually came from Heritage of the Sith, yet another in-universe source, further undermining its value.
Sidious's power is evident through Yoda whom, the ROTS novel calls the most devistatngly powerful force the Dark Side has ever known and in a death match couldn't beat Sidious, meaning he would beat Bane more often then not since is as said "The most powerful force the darkness has ever known." and if Yoda could do it, so could Sids.
1. I'd personally question the canonicity of any movie novelisation fight scene (and by extension, the narration that's dependant on the actions that the scenes encompass), given that they generally heavily contradict the movie, and depict sequences of events that never actually happen in the movie. For example, the scene between Yoda and Sidious was completely one-sided, and made it out as if Sidious was kicking Yoda's ass all over the place, and that the Ancient Jedi Master was literally no match for him, yet as the movie shows us, that was clearly not the case: as we're shown, they were pretty damn close, and GL himself stated that the final segment of the battle was to highlight the fact that they were absolute equals, and the most powerful of their alignments: the dark side and light side, respectively.
So, and as it's your burden of proof, until you can prove that the entire scene, and the narration that comes with it, are fully canon, you have no point.
2. The statement in question, "most devastatingly powerful foe that the darkness had ever known," doesn't necessarily have to mean, that from a combat standpoint, Yoda was the most powerful Jedi there had ever been. I know that people just love to draw their narrow minded interpretations from ambiguous text, and treat said interpretations as fact, but the statement in question could just as easily amount to the fact that Yoda, having been fighting the darkside for centuries, where his defeats over the darkside were labelled a legion, was simply more devastating than any before him because not only was he a very powerful Jedi, but he had been fighting against the darkside for that long a time. That being said, the statement doesn't necessarily deny that there may have been Jedi before him with greater personal power; if anything, it would measure just how successfully you have been fighting against the darkside, which as I said, his 8 century life span could have had a lot to do with.
3. Even if Yoda had been the most powerful Jedi ever at that point in time, that doesn't necessarily indicate that he > Bane, because:
a) Bane is not a Jedi, or foe of the darkness, or whatever you want to call it, and
b) If you're someone that likes to think that the most powerful Jedi ever would only be matched by the most powerful Sith, no only is that far from being absolute, but the fact that GL has stated that the dark side is inherently the stronger of the two sides would appear to undermine such a theory.
Now those right there are three points that heavily undermine your position, so until you can properly address each and every one, you, again, have no point.
