Democrats can expect to get trounced, it's that simple

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Now hold on, Paul. I want to educate you here, if I can be so bold.

what sweet pretentious douchebaggery.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What he's saying (at least from a biblical standpoint) isn't off. It's one interpretation (one that I don't personally share), but it's not like he pulled it from his rear.

yes, he did. i dont recall implying that he made up the scripture, only that he perverted it.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You don't have to like it or agree, but as a minister he's using the scriptures and a certain set of theological convictions (God is in control, ordaines everything) to make that assertation.

then it was gods will that 9/11 happened. also gods will that a child gets raped and buried alive. you either subscribe to the theory or you dont. no room for cherrypicking here.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I know it might not matter to you, but as far as what he's preaching from the pulpit, he's in the parameters of where he should be.

that makes no sense at all. he's right to say whatever because he's in church?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
He's not in fact spreading nonsense that America deserved 9/11 or devised a plot to give African Americans AIDS. (has nothing to do with scripture, see the difference?)

oh hahaha it all goes back to wright, whom by the way obama removed from his campaign and condemned for his remarks. (btw that 'america deserved 9/11' is pure slander. you prove your idiocy by parroting lies.

Originally posted by BackFire
Actually, Wright's comment about America's chickens coming home to roost was based in biblical ideas. This is made very very clear if you listen to the context of the sermon that was conveniently left out while the story was 'covered' by the news networks. His point was merely that violence begets violence and he referenced some biblical stories during that sermon.

no! sean hannity said that write said that america deserved 9/11 so its fact

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That wasn't my point. My point is; I do not believe Obama when he says he will bring the troop home. I'm cynical on this topic.

It's going to have happen, maybe not in '08, '09 or even '12, but it will. I do believe Obama will work harder to pull America out of Iraq, than McCain will (because he wants to stay indefinitely, I believe).

There is no easy solution, years of Bush being Bush and the democrats being pussies had made a mess of it.

no, mccain backed off from his 'hundred years' comment and declared that america will achieve 'victory' in 2012. SOLD!!!

Originally posted by BackFire
Actually, Wright's comment about America's chickens coming home to roost was based in biblical ideas. This is made very very clear if you listen to the context of the sermon that was conveniently left out while the story was 'covered' by the news networks. His point was merely that violence begets violence and he referenced some biblical stories during that sermon.

BF, that's interesting. I'll have to get the full sermon at some point.

Again, not a theological position that I'd agree with (God allowed us to have 9/11 because of the violence of America's past) because I read elsewhere in scripture where God is a good God who cares for his people and it's the devil who causes pain, hurt and destruction. (people place themselves in the way of that destruction by not following God, by removing themselves from "under His covering" but he doesn't do it to them. They take their chances without him in the world, where the devil has some measure of power and authority, and without God on your side, you can find yourself jacked up.) That's New Covenant, New Testament teaching. The old fire and brimstone stuff is old testament, before Jesus came.

None of the above has anything to do with the Reverend Wrights position on AIDS and the governement though. That's not biblical.

I digress, sorry for the off topic stuff.

No, I think everyone agrees the AIDS comment is just nonsense.

i love how you do that. when your claims are refuted its either "i dont know if thats true" or "thats interesting. i'll have to research it". why dont you do your homework and then act as resident right wing apologist. as it stands now you're just repeating the words of other ill informed mouth pieces. its pathetic to read.

Originally posted by Schecter
no, mccain backed off from his 'hundred years' comment and declared that america will achieve 'victory' in 2012. SOLD!!!

"Mission Accomplished" May 1st 2003

"final throes" and "significant progress" 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007

Originally posted by Schecter
i love how you do that. when your claims are refuted its either "i dont know if thats true" or "thats interesting. i'll have to research it". why dont you do your homework and then act as resident right wing apologist. as it stands now you're just repeating the words of other ill informed mouth pieces. its pathetic to read.

Point taken.

Obama isnt going to have an easy time beating McCain.

Point taken?

never said it was going to be easy.

point never made.

I find it funny that McCain thinks America will definately win by 2012... is it just coincidence that it would be at around the end of his first term, if he were to be elected in '08. The senile old bastard is living in a dream world.

yeah, i might have taken the bait if he said 2009 or maybe even 2010.

ok i wouldnt have, but still...

Alrighty fellas, had fun.

We'll see you again in November.

If McCain wins, I'll drag this thread up and get your apologies.

If Obama wins, I'll drag this thread up and give my apologies, then log out with jammed password and never come back to KMC, God as my witness.

(except of course, when I come back 2 months later with my new screen name derived of my last name and with the title: lolspeakintongues)

Originally posted by sithsaber408
If McCain wins, I'll drag this thread up and get your apologies.

apologies for what? voting for obama?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Alrighty fellas, had fun.

We'll see you again in November.

If McCain wins, I'll drag this thread up and get your apologies.

If Obama wins, I'll drag this thread up and give my apologies, then log out with jammed password and never come back to KMC, God as my witness.

(except of course, when I come back 2 months later with my new screen name derived of my last name and with the title: lolspeakintongues)

As Schecter said, what would I/we apologize for?

Ha, you just sinned, by taking "the Lords" name in vein.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
That's New Covenant, New Testament teaching. The old fire and brimstone stuff is old testament, before Jesus came.

Which is why I am always amazed at the way the OLD covenant and the OLD testament are clung to by christians. I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything about gays. I recall Paul doing it, but not Jesus. Pick up a Jefferson bible. It helps to put the hellfire and brimstone attitude of many christians in perspective.

Originally posted by Robtard
I find it funny that McCain thinks America will definately win by 2012... is it just coincidence that it would be at around the end of his first term, if he were to be elected in '08. The senile old bastard is living in a dream world.

Let me see if I can pull a page out of the Rove/Hannity playbook:

John McCain is asking for 4 years to prove himself to us. You know what? Hitler asked for 4 years too. And now the Jews are back in Israel. Holy Shit(capitalized to illustrate reverence), Hagee might be right!

Originally posted by Devil King
Which is why I am always amazed at the way the OLD covenant and the OLD testament are clung to by christians. I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything about gays. I recall Paul doing it, but not Jesus. Pick up a Jefferson bible. It helps to put the hellfire and brimstone attitude of many christians in perspective.

That's the one answer I can never get a Christian to answer truthfully. Supposedly Jesus-God did away with the old laws and traditions, the ones God set forth for the Jews (stoning your daughter, not cutting your beard etc.). Yet, why are the convenient ones held onto when it benefits?

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the one answer I can never get a Christian to answer truthfully. Supposedly Jesus-God did away with the old laws and traditions, the ones God set forth for the Jews (stoning your daughter, not cutting your beard etc.). Yet, why are the convenient ones held onto when it benefits?

Because it's convenient.

Oh, and when I said Paul, I was referring to PVS.

Edit:

Originally posted by Robtard
Just the ones that fit the agenda, this is common trait in zealots.

Edit: Correction, "ones that fit the current agenda"