Classic Beyonder/Specter vs. Living Tribunal/Thanos w/IG

Originally posted by fangirl101

These pictures surely do back up what you observe.
they do not how ever discredit what I percieve.

for one, it says a blast that could slag several billion dimensions.

I already proved those "several Billion ENTIRE Dimensions,"
are indeed, BillionS of ENTIRE UniverseS.

Originally posted by fangirl101

restructuring or fixing damage across the multiverse is a nice feat.

Nothing close to what the lt can do. so the point is for what?

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Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT ... On Panel:

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Here's Reed Richards' data-entry on the Molecule Man:

"Reputed to be the most powerful being in this Multiverse,
at one time could control all matter, space and energy"

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Here's Uatu stating the same thing:

"And now that he IS and KNOWS he IS mightier than all other beings of the Multiverse"

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In Handbooks too!

Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT ...
in the official Marvel Handbook of 1985:

"Molecule Man, according to Uatu, is the most powerful being in ..."

... "Earth's Multiverse"

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In fact,

the Official Marvel Handbook clearly states:

"The ONLY known limit,
to the amount of matter & energy that the Molecule Man can control,
is that is somewhere beneath the level that the Beyonder could control"

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So literally according to Marvel,

ONLY the Beyonder was above the Molecule Man.

swank

Originally posted by fangirl101

and scared a bunch of multiversal entitties at the time.

The one and only LT that has never been retconned, was "trembling. 😆

Originally posted by fangirl101

and he created a universes that was some quitillion times bigger
than the marvel multiverse
.
which at the time was like nigh infinite and not infinite.

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"seemingly Endless Dimesnions" means infinite Multiverse.

"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

Namely that it is Many-Layered

composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

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These are form the same Hulk Arc:

The Crossroads of Infinity are located withIN the Negative Zone,
the Crossroads is a Nexus that connects all the realities in the infinite Multiverse:

"It is a place where many pathways intersect,
where many roads cross,
and yet,
a traveller taking any route stretching on forever before him"

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"The Infinite breadth of the Crossroads."

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If the Crossroads is infinite

then the Multiverse must be infinite likewise.

Because the Crossroads are the doors to every reality in the Multiverse.

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Nvr, seriously, are you ever going to stop lying?

You get caught in your bull shit again, and again, and ... again,
and yet, you have no shame to return with yet another LIE!

doh

Originally posted by Mr Master So, it was "nigh-infinite" huh?=================================="seemingly Endless Dimesnions" means infinite Multiverse."Odd thing He had noticed about [B]our Universe"Namely that it is Many-Layered composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions, indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"...........................................................................................................These are form the same Hulk Arc:The Crossroads of Infinity are located withIN the Negative Zone,the Crossroads is a Nexus that connects all the realities in the infinite Multiverse:"It is a place where many pathways intersect,where many roads cross,and yet,a traveller taking any route stretching on forever before him"..........................................................................................................."The Infinite breadth of the Crossroads."...........................................................................................................If the Crossroads is infinitethen the Multiverse must be infinite likewise.Because the Crossroads are the doors to every reality in the Multiverse.==================================Nvr, seriously, are you ever going to stop lying? You get caught in your bull shit again, and again, and ... again,and yet, you have no shame to return with yet another LIE!doh [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101

seeminly infinite. hmmm. makes you wonder.

The Crossroads of Infinity are infinite ... PROVEN right above.

The Crossroads of infinity are located withIN the same Multiverse.

Only your intransigent dome would challenge that fact.

Originally posted by fangirl101

dimensions? not universes? Hmmm.

You're full of shit

I addressed this yesterday in the previous page,
yet you come back with the same intransigence, your shamelssness is amazing.

AGAIN ... bull shit aside!

In Marvel, Dimensions are ENTIRE UniverseS:

Originally posted by fangirl101

stories from hulk? hmmm? lol.

It seems that you have no where to turn,
so might as well just post gibberish I see.

Originally posted by fangirl101

seems that you have a very odd way of looking at things.

what ever floats your boat.

That is an odd thing to look at in order to learn about Marvel comics. 😕

Perhaps we should stick to your unsupported fallacies instead.

Originally posted by Mr Master The Multiverse was/is infinite since 1984.The Crossroads of Infinity are infinite ... PROVEN right above.The Crossroads of infinity are located withIN the same Multiverse.Only your intransigent dome would challenge that fact.You're full of shit I addressed this yesterday in the previous page,yet you come back with the same intransigence, your shamelssness is amazing.AGAIN ... bull shit aside![B]In Marvel, Dimensions are ENTIRE UniverseS:Â_dontgetitIt seems that you have no where to turn,so might as well just post gibberish I see.Â_Yea, oddly,the source of my info comes from, On Panel proof concerning Marvel comics,and On Panel proof that's confirmed in Marvel Handbooks.That is an odd thing to look at in order to learn about Marvel comics. 😕 Perhaps we should stick to your unsupported fallacies instead. [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101

all of your insults and cracks do not take away the fact that at one point,

marvel was nigh infinite.

Next.

Originally posted by fangirl101

It also doesn't take away the fact

that dimensions were used several times in the story

and not universes.

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In Marvel ... Dimesnions are entire Universes.

bangin

Originally posted by fangirl101

Also doesn't take away the fact that the beyonder was not a supreme beings. supreme beings do NOT discover anything. they after all supreme. All of your insults do not change the fact that a supreme being CANNOT limit themselves as did the beyonder. To do so would mean that they are no longer supreme and never were. there is no possible way to limit a supreme being. they can't even do it themselves. all of your cracks and anger won't change the fact that the description says that molecule man was the most powerful being in the multiverse. now. the LT happens to be the most powerful being in the omniverse. there is also the alien entity, scarlet witch, and mad jim. all of whom are beyond multiversal. that would make the story out dated and not relevant to the power lvls of today's characters.

Indeed it would seem that you don't have an answer to the proposed theorum so you insult with smiley durs. Ok. W/E. My boss is looking at me funny. Nice debating. Later.

Originally posted by fangirl101
all of your insults and cracks do not take away the fact that at one point, marvel was nigh infinite. It also doesn't take away the fact that dimensions were used several times in the story and not universes. unless there is clear time table as to when you are pulling your scans, you could be using scans from years later to try and explain something in the past. Universes could be called dimensions in say 1998, but that might not have been the case in 1984.Â_ Also doesn't take away the fact that the beyonder was not a supreme beings. supreme beings do NOT discover anything. they after all supreme. All of your insults do not change the fact that a supreme being CANNOT limit themselves as did the beyonder. To do so would mean that they are no longer supreme and never were. there is no possible way to limit a supreme being. they can't even do it themselves. all of your cracks and anger won't change the fact that the description says that molecule man was the most powerful being in the multiverse. now. the LT happens to be the most powerful being in the omniverse. there is also the alien entity, scarlet witch, and mad jim. all of whom are beyond multiversal. that would make the story out dated and not relevant to the power lvls of today's characters.

The only reason it appears that the Living Tribunal has more power now is because Marvel is now an Omniverse.
The Living Tribunal has more authority now, more space to spread out his power. It doesn't mean that it's greater now, nothing in Marvel even indicates that.

It would be like standing in lighted up room. And then opening up the door to a completely dark room. The light would spread into that room.
Just like the Living Tribunal's power spread out when the doors of the Omniverse opened. Classic Beyonder would've done the same.

Originally posted by Astner
The only reason it appears that the Living Tribunal has more power now is because Marvel is now an Omniverse.
The Living Tribunal has more authority now, more space to spread out his power. It doesn't mean that it's greater now, nothing in Marvel even indicates that.

It would be like standing in lighted up room. And then opening up the door to a completely dark room. The light would spread into that room.
Just like the Living Tribunal's power spread out when the doors of the Omniverse opened. Classic Beyonder would've done the same.

Originally posted by Astner
The only reason it appears that the Living Tribunal has more power now is because Marvel is now an Omniverse.
The Living Tribunal has more authority now, more space to spread out his power. It doesn't mean that it's greater now, nothing in Marvel even indicates that.

It would be like standing in lighted up room. And then opening up the door to a completely dark room. The light would spread into that room.
Just like the Living Tribunal's power spread out when the doors of the Omniverse opened. Classic Beyonder would've done the same.

SO the LT's power comes from what he has authority over. and now that he has more to govern he doesn't have more power? That makes no sense AT ALL.

Originally posted by fangirl101
SO the LT's power comes from what he has authority over. and now that he has more to govern he doesn't have more power? That makes no sense AT ALL.

Remember, the Living Tribunal has infinite power, so the amount of power he had in the Multiverse (box) doesn't weaken when it spreads out to the Omniverse.

Originally posted by quanchi112

A supreme being can do whatever they wished.

So you are claiming even a supreme being has limits according to you?

Makes no sense,

if you are supreme you can do whatever you want friend.

When he said a supreme being can't do that,
I had nothing more than a dur smilie to offer. 😂

What ol' nvr doesn't understand, is that no matter how big the Omniverse is,
all that matters is the Prime Multiverse,
which is virtually the same Multiverse from 1985,
the only Multiverse that has a sentient concept of time/space (Eternity/Infinity)
the only Multiverse with the cosmic hierarchy,
the only Multiverse with Multiversal & "Omniversal" beings,
the primary Multiverse the LT surveys:

With the exception of two new multiversal concepts ...

it's the same Multiverse from 1985, with basically the same hierarchy.

99% of all the power in Marvel is concentrated in the Prime Multiverse. (in terms of ratio)

Same Multiverse of 1985.

In fact,

Eternity, was the 3rd most powerful entity in 1985, right below the LT.

If I had to make a current active hierarchy list,
you'd see where Eternity would end up.

The LT & Scathan
The Alien Entity
Edifice Rex
The BeyonderS
Brothers
Abraxas/Vangaard
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion

7th place ...

1985 Eternity (prime Multiverse) = 3rd place

2008 Eternity (prime Multiverse) = 7th place

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With the exception of the "Brothers" my friends,
Marvel has stayed virtually the SAME since 1985.

And even with the "Brothers,"
they only represent a collection of Multiverses each,
while the Beyonder dwarfed the infinite prime Multiverse quintillions of times over.

holy! 😎

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Anything else has been weapons and/or artifacts/sources of power.

Originally posted by Astner
I have a very strong turned on lightbulb in a box. No light will emitt through the box.
The box is located in a dark room. Now I remove the box. What will happen? The light will spread out in the room.
It will be same same lightbulb, same effect and power.

Remember, the Living Tribunal has infinite power, so the amount of power he had in the Multiverse (box) doesn't weaken when it spreads out to the Omniverse.

your analagy fails on so many lvls. a bulb that has infinite energy and power would burn thru the box. in this case, if the lt was as powerful as you say he is as he is now, his power would have spilled over into the beyonder's void wrealm. and the multiverse was bound like a box would bind the light. that would set limits on the multiverse. as it stands, the multiverse is described as having no bounds. at any rate, molecule man's power is said as being somewhere beneath the level that the beyonder had. that tells me right there that both the beyonder and the molecule man had certain levels of power. neither had infinite power.

Originally posted by fangirl101

molecule man's power is said as being somewhere beneath the level that the beyonder had.

that tells me right there that both the beyonder and the molecule man
had certain levels of power.

neither had infinite power.

As if INFINITY does not have LEVELS!

"Yes, Our might is Infinite ... But there are Levels of Infinity"

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How many times I'm I gonna plead with you to ... read, READ, READ!!!

Then make claims.

Originally posted by fangirl101
your analagy fails on so many lvls. a bulb that has infinite energy and power would burn thru the box.

in this case, if the lt was as powerful as you say he is as he is now, his power would have spilled over into the beyonder's void wrealm.

and the multiverse was bound like a box would bind the light. that would set limits on the multiverse.

as it stands, the multiverse is described as having no bounds. at any rate, molecule man's power is said as being somewhere beneath the level that the beyonder had. that tells me right there that both the beyonder and the molecule man had certain levels of power. neither had infinite power.

Originally posted by Astner
I never said that the bulb emitted an infinte amount of power ...

Unless the Beyonder isolated the Marvel universe from the Living Tribunal's power.

There's an analogy in the Bible stating that we're God's shep and he's our shepard. A shapard is not infinitely greater than a shep.
Learn to understand analogies ...
[I'm not religious]

Infinite power works in mysterious ways.

Let's look at the LT. Please just answer these questions for me.

Where does he get his power from?

How does it work?

Those two first.

LT can increase the powers of the IG, making Thanos even more of a factor in this fight. I'm going with team 2

If the LT is a servant of TOAA (God i guess)?...was this relationship in existance when we had classic beyonder?.....because the way i see it ...TOAA would give him what ever power is required to accomplish any feat, if it worked in TOAA's grand scheme...unless of course classic beyonder is more powerful than TOAA....

cheers 💃

Originally posted by Mr Master
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As if INFINITY does not have LEVELS!

"Yes, [B]Our might is Infinite ... But there are Levels of Infinity"

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How many times I'm I gonna plead with you to ... read, READ, READ!!!

Then make claims. [/B]